I'm REALLY Scared About Our Offense!

Submitted by lincboe on

Having listened to the press conference, and having looked up and read info on Al Borges, I have to say that I am REALLY scared about our offense next year. Overlooking the elephant in the room question about whether Denard will be here or not - how do we know that he will be used properly if he does stay? I really wish we had gotten a new offensive coordinator, or at least some reassurance from Brady Hoke about his ability to change his offensive schemes to fit the personnel he has. All he said was that he likes to change the players to fit the system which is the opposite of what I was hoping to hear. My gut feeling is that Denard is going to stay, but will he be used properly?... Dear God I hope so.

MI Expat NY

January 12th, 2011 at 4:27 PM ^

I felt there were two ways to interpret the press conference comments: (1) an offense will be built around his skills, taking advantage of his running ability (2) or his skills will be put to use at a different position.  With Tate gone, and the chances of getting a QB who can step in and play, pretty slim, Hoke would have to be an idiot not to go with the first option.  

Either way, I don't think they're going to turn him into a pure pocket passer.  That option makes NO sense.

lincboe

January 12th, 2011 at 4:11 PM ^

I want him to be more explicit, just like I'm sure Denard does too. Does that mean moving Denard to slot receiver and running screen passes to him? Does that mean running the wildcat with him? Does that mean play action rollouts?

Hoke has never utilized a dual threat QB before so I think these are reasonable questions for him to address. Why is he bringing Borges with him in the first place? I'd like all these things answered ASAP.

justingoblue

January 12th, 2011 at 4:15 PM ^

Right now I'm content with Denard reportedly staying after a brief meeting, and the promise that they'll go more in depth.

Hoke isn't about to draw x's and o's at his introductory press conference. He hasn't utilized a dual threat quarterback, but the material is out there and shouldn't be hard for him to pick up.

Just give it time, I'm confident that between Denard, Hoke and Borges, they'll come up with several good answers given enough time.

justingoblue

January 12th, 2011 at 7:48 PM ^

Scheme vs. Plays.

Big, big difference.

Nobody expects or wants Hoke to come play zone-read option football. That's as ridiculous as the people who wanted RR to play Sheridan as a five-step drop back passer using LC's playbook. We hired a change, but he'd be an idiot not to adapt certain plays to use Denard's incredible running ability.

bringthewood

January 12th, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^

A rational thought from someone not dozing off after drinking all of the coolaid.  His hire of Borges basically says "fuck you Denard" as a QB.  He could have found someone with some spread experience and transitioned to a more of pro style offense.  But instead he showed the exact same inflexibility as RR when he came in.

justingoblue

January 12th, 2011 at 7:08 PM ^

I don't think it's drinking Kool-Aid to say "wait and see."

What we know for now is Borges history (which admittedly is not a RR or Chip Kelly playbook), we know that Hoke and Denard have talked, and we have reports from the team indicating Denard is staying.

Why not wait until we have some actual answers before hitting the panic button?

bringthewood

January 12th, 2011 at 7:15 PM ^

Find me any examples of a pro style OC running a dual threat QB offense successfully.  There may be some as I have not done the research, but as we saw with Gerg you can't expect coaches with zero experience with something to be great at it right away.  If Hoke hires Smith as QB coach or someone like that then I will be encouraged but I expect another pro style hire that further marginalizes Denard.  

I guess I am the only one that really enjoyed watching Denard last year at QB while everyone else pines for the likes of John Navarre.

justingoblue

January 12th, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^

We're not looking for an entirely new scheme a la Gerg. What Denard needs is some designed QB run plays. At the very least, Hoke can go look into Tressel's playbook with Pryor and copy/paste. Tressel's calling of those plays isn't anything like running a true dual threat QB, but there's no reason Hoke can't utilize them more.

I'm sure there are other examples, but like you I haven't done the research.

Blue_Sox

January 12th, 2011 at 4:12 PM ^

I think we should just let this play out before attributing blame. We have no idea about specifics of the offense. DB and Hoke both said they have a special talent in Denard and that will be important to adapt the offense around him. And teammates have all sounded extremely positive (almost certain) that he will be staying. RELAX.

Y0ST

January 12th, 2011 at 5:53 PM ^

Anything good or bad with the football program is squarely pinned on DB.  DB caved to the pressure and made a change, when a fourth RR year may have been the turning point.  

Hoke is just a very lucky guy at the right place at the right time.  He will just do his job as he knows how to do it.  If he fails, the question will be "why was he hired in the first place".  

JeepinBen

January 12th, 2011 at 4:09 PM ^

This isn't 2008.2 

We aren't losing an immense amount of NFL talent from the O side who have started for 2-4 years (Long, Henne, Hart, Manningham, Arrington, who else stuck?) 

We're returning 9-10 starters. Talented starters. Having the pieces is at least as important as using the pieces. This time we won't roll SheriThreet out there behind a just-converted D-Tackle to throw it to freshmen and hand off to more freshmen. 

Look at returning starters and take a deep breath

bringthewood

January 12th, 2011 at 7:20 PM ^

Talented spread starters.  Everyone is trivializing  the transition to a pro style offense much like the move to the spread  - we thought RR would win 6-8 games his first year.  Hoke has chosen to throw the baby out with the bathwater which is his prerogative, but I think he could have done a better job or transitioning offenses just like RR could have done.

LSAClassOf2000

January 12th, 2011 at 4:10 PM ^

I think that Hoke might be able to construct at least most of an offense  with what is there now  - key word here is "most". Give him a shot at recruiting his own sort of player on this one.

His Dudeness

January 12th, 2011 at 4:11 PM ^

I'm REALLY Scared About Our Offense!

And that is a huge problem I have with the hire because up until Monday our offense was our strength. Now I am scared about all facets of the team.

Quail2theVict0r

January 12th, 2011 at 4:15 PM ^

I don't want to be "that guy" but our offense wasn't all that good when it mattered. If you take the top 4 teams we faced vs. the top 4 teams we faced when Lloyd went 7-5 in 2005, Lloyd scored like 15-20 more points total on them than RR did with this "great" offense.

It did help us win games this year, but only because our defense was beyond putrid. I'm still a believer that defense wins championships no matter your offense.

 

as Brian points out regularly when he was a kid scoring one TD was usually 1/3 of the way to winning a game...and we seem to have forgotten that lately because our defense has been so bad. You shouldn't have to score 50 points a game to win.

Quail2theVict0r

January 12th, 2011 at 4:19 PM ^

generally that is true, which is why I narrowed it down to the top 4/5 teams we faced...I did the calculation last week so I can't really remember it super specifically. I mean truly looking at it we score what, 24? points on OSU in 3 years when they scored 100 on us? That to me is not a successful offense. If it doesn't work against the best team we play, it doesn't work.

BigBlue02

January 12th, 2011 at 5:41 PM ^

And how many points per game did those defenses let up for the entire year? Since 3 out of those 5 had top 20 defenses in the nation, I would say 18.8 is above average. And why does no on include Illinois when looking at the top defenses we faced? They ended up, what, 5 spots behind MSU in defensive rankings? They were in the top third of all defenses. I guess that wouldn't fit with the "our offense played like crap against good defenses" meme though.