A Case for Denard to be in NYC for the Heisman Ceremony
November 8th, 2010 at 3:47 PM ^
Well, he's pretty even with Cam Newton, but Cam Newton hasn't lost a game by throwing 3 interceptions. If we pull off an upset or two, his name will be right back in the race.
November 9th, 2010 at 7:48 AM ^
but can we not talke about that game for a while? the thought of it makes my butthole pucker. k, thnx.
November 8th, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^
It's absurd even what he did last week, I think he's one more 150 yard rushing performance away cementing himself as a finalist. Hope he waits for Ohio State to do it. That'll really up his chances.
Edit: let me rephrase... he needs on more 'big performance'... preferably against OSU, but hey why not against everyone else?
November 8th, 2010 at 4:01 PM ^
to the Michigan Relenting-Gods' ears. [Okay, so messy metaphor.]
November 8th, 2010 at 4:01 PM ^
and putting up numbers against legit opponents (signature night games give you bonus points) is the other.
Denard has done neither. The Turnover-a-palooza against the "legit" opponents (as defined by msm) is fact a downer as far as his candidacy goes.
I am as much of a tin-foil kind of guy when it comes to UM football, but cmon, claiming DR is ahead of Cam "pay me more" Newton is silly.
We don't need any distractions, let's fly under the radar and see if we can pull off a miracle against the buckeyes.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:02 PM ^
Look, numbers! Even with the turnovers he is still on pace for all-time records...
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/communist-footballs-almanack-broken-records-…
November 8th, 2010 at 4:05 PM ^
mistakes killed any chances of a victory.
It would be an absolute travesty is TP gets invited ahead of DR though. That guy has had virtually nothing to do OSU winning a single game till now.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:12 PM ^
Granted there is still a quarter of the season yet to play, but if Pryor gets an invite over Denard and assuming Denard maintains his averages/ ish, the Heisman Trust/ voters would be a complete joke.
I fully believe Newton will win due to the season Auburn is having, but to not give the guy that will set all sorts of records, including holding 4/5 of the top offensive production games in his team's storied history, being the only player to have two 200/200 games in a regular season, first member (fingers crossed) of the 1500/1500 club, would be an embarrassment to the game.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:11 PM ^
Who was a top 25 defense. I guess I could be wrong...
November 8th, 2010 at 4:36 PM ^
Just imagine his numbers if he doesn't go out against BG, and plays out the full game against ILL, and that isn't even adjusting for the fact that at least a couple of his INT's are totally attributable to his bum shoulder.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:37 PM ^
Yes, but he didn't rush for 200 yards, so clearly he had an off day.
November 8th, 2010 at 10:19 PM ^
is not the best player in college football. It's been said before, but it goes to the most media-worthy skills player on the offense of a top-5 or maybe top-10 team. So I'd go even farther than "being on a winning team is one criteria" - being on ranked team is a necessity. We can argue whether that is a good or bad way to judge a player, but I don't see how anyone can argue that is not the modern Heisman award. And if it is, Mr. Robinson should not be invited to New York, since UM won't be breaking into the top-10 anytime this year.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:00 PM ^
I think he should get a trip to the Downtown Athletic Club, too. Personally I think he'll be there because of the records he'll end up breaking by season's end and a lot of voters will put him on their ballot.
This talk does make you realize something great here though...we have TWO MORE YEARS OF DILITHIUM! That's still unbelievable to me.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:01 PM ^
with Denard having a major role in wins against Wisky and especially OSU for him to get invited.
Consider our previous Heisman winners: Harmon, Howard, Woodson, and the nature of their performances against the Buckeyes.
Denard's going to have to cut down on turnovers and keep doing the other things he does for that to happen. He's certainly capable of doing that, but that alone won't mean we beat either team, given our defense.
A trip to NY also depends on other candidates for winning teams, and DR has no control over that.
He's just a sophomore so I don't really care anyhow.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:20 PM ^
According to ESPN Andrew Luck is #4
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He should be in the discussion.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:01 PM ^
How the rest of the season plays out will determine what happens. If we were somehow able to beat Wisc and OSU then while Denard sticks with his dilithium ways, he is back in there for the Heisman. If not, based on the improvement Denard made coming into this season, imagine what he is going to be like next season. Junior Denard Robinson......There is your Heisman!!
November 8th, 2010 at 4:05 PM ^
Not bad. Denard only a sophomore and putting up these kind of numbers...and a good kid.Old cam....well he has been playing college football since 2007, people say ,when it comes to football cam is money.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:07 PM ^
There was an article just the other day when his coach was praising him for playing out his original "contract" even though he is clearly outperforming expectations.
Randy Moss, TO etc need to learn from this kid :p
November 8th, 2010 at 4:20 PM ^
If Michigan continues to win, I expect him to be in NYC. He should have a great game against Purdue, and if he performs well against Wisconsin and OSU, I think it would be a travesty if he wasn't atleast invited to NY. If not, we still have this pic
November 8th, 2010 at 4:24 PM ^
im not saying its a good argument (but you could make it), that denard is not even the best QB on his team. tate has come in and done very well when called upon. i think that that also has a lot to do with people not thinking he is as great as some of the other players out there
howeva, that did not stop them from giving it to ingram last year when richardson looked just as good. so nevermind
November 8th, 2010 at 6:11 PM ^
November 8th, 2010 at 4:41 PM ^
Denard's freaking awesome!!!
(questions?... I thought not)
EDIT: The Heisman has turned into a popularity contest,. Sad but true.
November 8th, 2010 at 5:00 PM ^
special category of specialness, and he is going to be that way forever in my mind. I mean, do they deserve HIM?
November 8th, 2010 at 5:03 PM ^
I didn't know James was suspended for a domestic violence issues, but was wondering why he had one less game played. I'm guessing he will not get the trophy simply based on that.
Right now, I think Denard has more work to do to get invited, but definitely has a chance. His injuries and mistakes during the recent high profile games have hurt. The Wisconsin and osu games will be huge though.
I agree about the records playing too much of a role, but that has been the trend the past several years.
November 8th, 2010 at 5:09 PM ^
Also, Denard has not punched his girlfriend and has not been arrested for being in possession of stolen property and for obstruction of justice. He has also not been accused of being paid to play. I know these things don't affect most people's votes, but isn't that kind of sad? At some point does being an a-hole detract from you being the "best player," regardless of your athletic talents?
Do you think that any Heisman voters may be a bit leery of voting for Newton out of fear that the allegations might prove true, causing him to have to pull a Reggie Bush and return his trophy?
November 8th, 2010 at 5:10 PM ^
I think him being only a sophomore hurts his chances as well. Most of the voters probably assume he will be in the running for the next two years as well, so they may be more willing to give an upperclassman the nod, even if they are not as deserving as Denard.
November 8th, 2010 at 5:30 PM ^
Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford and Mark Ingram from winning the Heisman as a sophomore.
November 8th, 2010 at 6:43 PM ^
No, it didn't . I'm just saying that it is an obstacle that has to be overcome. He certainly deserves to be there, just throwing it out there.
November 9th, 2010 at 10:36 AM ^
I feel like this trend has a lot to do with Larry Fitzgerald NOT winning the Heisman in 2003. He was a sophomore, and was runner-up to Jason White, a senior out of Oklahoma. When Larry was picked third, and White never made an NFL squad, I think the Heisman voters realized that regardless of class, the most Heisman-worthy player should win.
November 8th, 2010 at 5:31 PM ^
Denard is something, that cannot be denied.
Howeva, he came up real short in the three losses. MSU dominated him; Iowa relegated him to an afterthought; PSU was up something like 34-10 before he caught fire.
We're all in love with "ZOWIE ZOINKS! 500 million yards!" But Denard lacks a signature win against a good team (redundant? Yes, by gourd).
Durability is not exactly a strong point, either. He has been injured in nearly, if not every, game.
Go out and win three of the last four (or ALL OF THEM), not go down to injury, and be the same guy against OSU and Wisconsin he was against Notre Dame and Indiana, and HELLZ YEAH! Pencil him in.
November 8th, 2010 at 5:52 PM ^
Bit of an overstatement, as he still put up 301 total yards of offense. The turnovers hurt, but dominated by MSU is a bit much. Look at his first two games and then compare them to the 3 losses:
2010 Regular Season Game Log | Passing | Rushing | ||||||||||||||
DATE | OPP | RESULT | CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% | LNG | TD | INT | RAT | ATT | YDS | AVG | LNG | TD | |
4-Sep | Connecticut | W 30-10 | 19 | 22 | 186 | 86.4 | 43 | 1 | 0 | 172.39 | 29 | 197 | 6.8 | 32 | 1 | |
11-Sep | @Notre Dame | W 28-24 | 24 | 40 | 244 | 60 | 31 | 1 | 0 | 119.49 | 28 | 258 | 9.2 | 87 | 2 | |
9-Oct | Michigan State | L 34-17 | 17 | 29 | 215 | 58.6 | 49 | 1 | 3 | 111.59 | 21 | 86 | 4.1 | 16 | 1 | |
16-Oct | Iowa | L 38-28 | 13 | 18 | 96 | 72.2 | 20 | 1 | 1 | 124.24 | 18 | 105 | 5.8 | 12 | 0 | |
30-Oct | @Penn State | L 41-31 | 11 | 23 | 190 | 47.8 | 60 | 1 | 0 | 131.57 | 27 | 191 | 7.1 | 32 | 3 |
November 8th, 2010 at 5:55 PM ^
He'll win it next year. Junior year is when Michigan players win it.
November 10th, 2010 at 11:25 AM ^
I agree. The problem is the "waiting for a whole year" part.
November 8th, 2010 at 6:54 PM ^
i BELIEVE DRob is out of consideration and maybe even being talked about as much because he can not finish a game! i am all for DRob getting all the yards he can for his team to win. he does not know how to avoid contact like some of the greats did, much like a QB coache will tell a gunslinger to throw the ball away to avoid a sack and negative yardige situations DRob really needs to be taught how to avoid hits and fall better, as wierd as that sounds. all the greats know how to fall so they absorb the least amount of bodily damage! i promise you the same thing will happen next year even when Michigan wins nine or ten games next year if DRob can not stay in the game! here is to hoping each and every practice he learns the value of hating that he is off the field in some of this seasons critical situations. Go Blue beat purdue!
November 8th, 2010 at 9:58 PM ^
"He falls funny." Denard is still healthy going into the tenth game of the year because like most great runners with extremely quick reflexes, it's very difficult to get a solid hit on him. Such as has been the case this season. The head-to-head hit that caused dizziness was rare and RR did the right thing in keeping him out. However, he did fall awkwardly on his knee or thigh early in the season that caused a deep bruise. It was a freak occurrence and something that happens rarely. He has shown he's far more durable than our recent running backs like Minor and Brown, both very talented but never nearing 1K in a season due to a malady of injuries for each.
If he were to take head on shots, I'd be afraid for him. His ability to avoid hits is the reason he's still reasonable healthy and the probably starter vs. the Boilers.
November 9th, 2010 at 10:29 AM ^
I'm with you, Wolfman. Plus he's run for more yards than Minor and Carlos put together. And passed for a few more as well.
November 8th, 2010 at 7:30 PM ^
I totally agree with you. If we were to win out at this point, and Denard continues at a 200p/100r/Game clip, I would be willing to bet some real money that he would make it to NYC. No-one in the nation means more to their team than Denard Robinson.
IMO, Denard's got 2 chances to throw his name back into the Heisman talk. Well, three. I think he needs another 200/200 game against Purdue, and that seems doable. If he can lead the effort to knock both wisconsin and Ohio State out of BCS contention, he'll get a lot more attention.
Quite frankly, I've got growing optimism that we have a great shot to knock off OSU at the Shoe. It definitely could be another shootout, but OSU's d is riddled with injuries. If we come in fully mentally prepared and wipe away the intimidation factor of playing in the Shoe, Denard can slice and dice the buckeyes.
November 8th, 2010 at 7:47 PM ^
All of football still to be played. I believe Denard should be invited but he needs to finish strong...
November 8th, 2010 at 8:07 PM ^
Thinking three big games and we have to win at least two, maybe three for him to get invited. Having said that I think we can do it and he can get there.
November 8th, 2010 at 8:25 PM ^
The trip to the ceremony will make a great "dry run" for next year, when he has a bona fide chance to win it.
November 8th, 2010 at 8:51 PM ^
Denard obviously has the numbers, but he needs a signature win or two to really be in the conversation. If he dominates Purdue, pulls the upset against Wisco while going over 2000 yds passing and 1500 yds rushing, then leads Michigan to a victory in the Shoe, I think he is invited and might just win the thing. If he breaks 2000/1500 and beats Wisco and Purdue, I think he should be invited, especially if its a close loss against OSU where it was the defense and not his turnovers that were the difference.
Either way, he has to be the Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year right?
November 8th, 2010 at 9:41 PM ^
is that Denard is already on next year's top Heisman contenders list ... absolutely no question in my mind. So next year he'll have the hype going in ... plus he will be 1 year better (smarter & stronger) than this year.
Go Blue !
November 8th, 2010 at 9:43 PM ^
I would like to see Denard receive an invitation to NYC for the greatest vanity award in all of sports and decline on the grounds that he did not lead his team to a hugely successful season and, "call me next year".
November 8th, 2010 at 10:31 PM ^
I didn't think there was any question Denard would be invited. He's having as statistically amazing of a season as Colt McCoy did two years ago (a 76.7% completion percentage!!!/leading the nation in rushing as a QB!!!), and like McCoy I think he should not only show, but win. But McCoy lost to Bradford--a bigger, less statistically accomplished, but very similar player, with more wins. And likely so will Denard to Newton. Not that I'm biased or anything...
November 9th, 2010 at 9:03 AM ^
signature win is what everyone talks about...He finishes the season with 3 straight victories then he will likely get it...Tebow won on a 9-3 Florida team his sophomore year as well. Like everyone says, if he finishes with 2000/1500 and beats wis and OSU...I love his chances but I think Newtown would have to put up a clunker. Like a 3 or 4 int day in a loss to Bama or something to be overtaken in the race unfortunately.
November 9th, 2010 at 9:34 AM ^
I think he WILL get an invite to New York. It's unfortunate that he won't win it even if he had better numbers than everyone else... all because of the team's record. But if the team went 3-0 down the stretch it would be largely because of Denard and he could pull it out. I would be most happy with the 3-0 part and the trophy would be secondary. He'll win it next year though so I'm not too worried.
November 10th, 2010 at 3:17 PM ^
As long as Dr. Lou keeps bad-mouthing him and people writing that RR is trying to use Denard to save his job, the numbers or wins he puts up aren't gonna matter. Like the BCS, this is a beauty contest... it's worse than the Soviet Union judge judging the American figure skater.
November 9th, 2010 at 10:39 AM ^
Will they put dreads on his trophy next year?
November 9th, 2010 at 7:12 PM ^
... haters tend to forget that. Heisman this year or not, I don't care. The guy is young. We haven't seen the best of him. That's exciting as shit
November 10th, 2010 at 3:01 PM ^
I think that Denard will definitely get an invite. Even if he gets next to no first place votes, he'll probably get a lot of 2nd or 3rd place votes. He hasn't been in the media much lately, but when he breaks the single season QB rushing record and becomes the inaugural member of the 1,500-2,000 club, that accomplishment will be impossible to ignore. He is the nation's leading rusher, and out of the top 40 rushers, he has the second highest ypc (Martinez is #1).
If this stuff with Newton continues to blow up, he's got a shot at winning.
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