JT Floyd's Ankle: Probably Not So Good Comment Count

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HAI GUYS I BET YOU LIKE GOOD NEWS. Troy Woolfolk's twitter:

Things just got worse for Michigan fans. Can't elaborate that's all I'm saying.

UMGoBlog's got a rumor that this is in reference to JT Floyd's ankle, supposedly in a nonfunctional state after practice today. Tom got an independently sourced email saying the same thing. Player on team saying bad news + two different sources with identical stories about what that bad news is == 99% true e-rumor.

So JT Floyd is probably done for the year. One of three freshman will start opposite James Rogers. I'm working my way through the Penn State game tape and am not sure how much this actually hurts but it's not good. Your available non-freshman cornerback on the roster is James Rogers. That is all.

UPDATE: Woolfolk is hurriedly backtracking, which may be CYA but may not. Downgrade your likelihood somewhat here. I probably wouldn't have posted this without that third bit but the two standing are melding with other stuff around the internets and this is still likely to be true.

UPDATE II: So the "out for year" bit seems unknown. Definitely out for Saturday, though.

Comments

MichiganStudent

November 3rd, 2010 at 12:32 AM ^

Believe me I hope it is not true as well. Although the confirmation provides me little hope (I truly hope that my source is misinformed and I'll gladly take the neg bang). This just sucks completely. 

If anyone cares about my sources, they are people at every practice (I've usually been pretty darn reliable over the years). He saw it happen, said it was not on a tackling drill (more of bumping and brief blocking). 

smwilliams

November 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 AM ^

From what I gathered in Turner's case he was behind such All Big-10 players as James Rogers and JT Floyd on the depth chart. With credible info gleaned from this board that he was really out of shape, it's not a surprise he washed out.

Dorsey was unfortunate. I could concede that Rodriguez maybe could've gone after somebody he knew would qualify, but everybody here was fairly excited when he committed. I'm sure Rodriguez felt the same way.

Woolfolk went down to AMSHG.

Floyd was benched last year for poor performance and somehow ended up as our #1 CB. He still suffered AMSHG'S wrath.

Warren left early for reasons unknown but most likely because pundits were saying he'd be a late 1st day pick.

Emilien was behind Cam Gordon and a walk-on.

Cissoko turned to a life of crime and wasn't that good to begin with considering the hurting Michael Floyd put on him last year.

Stevie Brown graduated.

Imagine if Ohio State's DLine or Wisconsin's Linebackers or Iowa's secondary suffered the same fate. Very few college teams can go 3 deep anymore. That's 8 guys expected to fill the depth chart that didn't. It isn't anybody's fault.

Seth

November 3rd, 2010 at 11:15 AM ^

Fault 1: After a year ('05) in which our entire DB haul was Johnny Sears and Chris Richards, and DBs were hit so hard that the Angry ____ Hating God meme was invented for our safety situation, we got zero defensive backs in 2006. We needed like four. If two were 5th year seniors today, that would have helped. Not fixed, but helped. Mouton was a linebacker, and this was known to recruiters. Steve Brown ended up being a linebacker too, though I suspect Gibsons coaching led to him being a bigger bust at FS than he need have been.

Fault 2: In 2007 we got Donovan, Williams, and Woolfolk, plus Artis Chambers if you want to count him. Williams was a 4-star to the sites, but other schools were staying away from him - maybe they knew something. Warren was a big get. Woolfolk was a legacy, and we are supremely lucky he grew from 4.5 to 4.3 speed. Still, this is after two years in a row of zero CBs and one safety, and our haul is one 5-star guy, a slow and diminuative Brandon Harrison-like safety, and a legacy.

Fault 3: By 2008 Carr and RR both should have known the situation was going to be dire at the DB positions. Lloyd had Cissoko and Brandon Smith coming: a mite, and another obvious linebacker. RR added Floyd, but he was otherwise occupied with offensive recruiting, where he created a pipeline to Pahokee out of thin air, added the two best offensive linemen of a class that already had four in it, filled the running back and receivers corps (Shaw and Roundtree, our best RB and WR, respectively, were won away at the last minute), and chased the No. 1 recruit in the nation around until finally losing that battle. Had RR spent some of that time scouting and signing a few more cornerbacks and the obvious obvious obvious need by that point of a deep safety...

Fault 4: 2009 was a repeat of 2007 except more egregious. He got Turner, which yay, but then after him....uh....Witty, who didn't make it to campus and it seems the staff hardly cared about that because Witty was part of landing Denard Robinson, and Vlad, who was a project because of a major injury that we weren't sure he could ever recover from. RR had 3-9 hanging around his neck, but as opposed to '08 when he had a month in a half to add, this was a full recruiting class. And he got just Turner and Emilien.

Fault 5: Losing Turner, Emilien, and Warren. This is on those guys of course, but I do think the head coach has something to do with how a kid turns out. Not everything, but something. What was it that Turner needed to get motivated? 4.5 star cornerbacks seldom bust out. He was a bit big as he filled out, but so was Marlin. This is all speculation, but I still feel like RR rewards playing time to the guys who practice harder, over the guys who are actually better, and since Turner wasn't one of those guys, well, balls -- or as Rich says, the door's unlocked from the inside. Emilien, well, I thought it was simply his knee not ever coming back, and used as evidence him getting lapped by Teric Jones in the Spring Game, but then some observers told me that was a different injury hampering him and that Vlad had his speed back. He was supposedly a really hard worker too -- I'm sticking with his [total lack of] speed being the issue, but if not, that really raises a WTH thing with me. Warren: what can you do, really, except go up to him and say "Don, you have the rest of your life to be an NFL player, but one chance left to really do something for your school. I need you. Your team needs you. This program needs you." I don't think RR does that for anyone, and I don't think Warren ever really liked the new regime, and I think that contributed to him departing early. That and the NFL collective bargaining agreement that meant being a 3rd round guy this year could be a big money difference from being a 2nd round guy next year.

Fault 6: Gibson. One thing we haven't seen is defensive back progression. The biggest leap anyone has taken since 2008 is Steve Brown, when he went to linebacker. Of the meager leftovers, name all defensive backs who have seen a major year-to-year progression:

  1. Troy Woolfolk

Avery, Talbott, Christian, these guys are true freshmen. But "don't evacuate a zone" might be something that's teachable over, I dunno, say a few months. Cissoko might have been all Cissoko's problem, but I remember him making more mistakes as he went on. J.T. Floyd has limited ability, but he has regressed significantly this year, particularly in his tackling, which used to be pretty solid (it was his speed that made him bad). The dude is probably one of the hardest workers on the team, but I don't see his work paying off. Steve Brown could never get coverage. Mike Williams was lost ever time he was out there. Cam takes bad angles, Kovacs takes bad angles, Rogers takes bad angles...we can't really know if coaching sucks back there because there's nobody who's been around long enough to be coached. But I feel like there should be better.

Fault 7: Dorsey. How does Sean Parker end up at Washington? Because RR was pursuing a commitment from a guy who never could have gone to Michigan. I guess there's more to the story than that, especially for Parker, but I think it should be part of the narrative.

smwilliams

November 3rd, 2010 at 12:07 PM ^

Points taken and a very well-reasoned rebuttal. '09 does look particularly damning.

I'm still of the opinion, however, that those '09 guys would've been either RS Freshmen or Sophomores and might have the same issues as our current guys.

Honestly, there are so many issues on the defensive side of the ball it's like 2 guys staring at a collapsed building saying "oh look, the pipes are rusted through."

beenplumb

November 3rd, 2010 at 9:07 AM ^

I tried to find a recording on youtube of the old SNL skit "Shirt in a Can" so I could take a still frame of Tim Meadow's enraged face when he spills pie on his shirt and yells "DAMN IT!". Alas, no success.

tlh908

November 3rd, 2010 at 9:42 AM ^

Can we all agree now that Saturday's D is gonna be bad.  That way when I wake up on Sunday it isn't news to anybody and there won't be the same post from the previous 3 weeks.  We knew what we had at the start of the season, so why is it news when those expectations are met?