Boise St wins their 1st game and is now a front runner for the NC game
September 7th, 2010 at 12:06 AM ^
Did you even read the article?
Bleymaier is making a nearly unheard of offer in college football scheduling – Boise will bring its popular, high-profile, top-10 team to any stadium in any town to play any big name team in America in 2011. And they don’t have to return the date in Idaho.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:20 AM ^
you know how they can play a harder schedule? PLAY IN A LEGIT CONFERENCE!
you know how people bitch and moan when an elite team plays teams like nevada, san diego state or middle tennessee state? boise st plays them nearly every week all season long. seems like maybe they should do something about that.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:30 AM ^
sombrero de asno
September 7th, 2010 at 1:06 AM ^
You make it seem like they planned to be in a shitty conference. It's barely been a decade since they jumped to the FBS. They are trying to go to more legitimate conferences, the MWC.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:26 AM ^
This point is irrelevant. Their schedule is what it is and it remains the crux of the issue. What incentives to BCS teams have to play Boise? VaTech had way more on the line than Boise did because VaTech has to then go a play an ACC schedule. Now, go replace VaTech with any other team from a BCS conference.
The current system dictates that you need to be undefeated in order to earn a spot in the title game. Boise and TCU have a distinct and very unfair advantage when it comes to going undefeated. Sorry, there's no way around that fact.
They had an entire off season to prepare for one team. In bowl games they have an entire month to prepare. It's way more difficult to try and beat Iowa-Wisconsin-MSU all with one week's preparation than it is to beat VaTech with a month's worth of prep. Even so, all of the big wins they've had (Oklahoma, Oregon, VaTech) were by the skin of their teeth.
They're Wisconsin/Georgia not Ohio State/Alabama/Florida.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:38 AM ^
This was the worst argument of the bunch. You don't dispute the fact that BSU beats national powers, which are elite teams, but you say they aren't an elite team? Peterson is the coach, therefore he is apart of the team. He makes them elite. We'll never know how this team would do this year or the past couple if they were to have played in the Big Ten or Big 12. What we know is that they can beat any team, home or away, on any given night.
Btw, they tried to get into a better conference and now that conference has lost Utah and BYU, who both beat some pretty good BCS teams.
Not your best work.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:54 AM ^
September 7th, 2010 at 12:03 AM ^
You posit: If they were in a power conference then they would get better players on the team.
Okay, sure.
Also, if they were in a power conference they would play better players every god damned week. Face it, aside from twice a year and once in a bowl Boise plays nothing but cupcakes; they never face the grind of real competition as in the B10 or, god help me, the Ess Eee Cee.
Sure, they'd get a few better players but the grind of the power conference schedule would definitely take its toll in losses.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:19 AM ^
But you're Canadian.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:02 AM ^
You're right and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Are people not seeing the same team we see? This team is good, beats everybody they need to and it's amazing how every single top 10 team they beat is suddenly "overrated" or that the team losing is "not surprising with all their flaws". I don't understand the hate. I'm sorry but Boise would beat us along with pretty much the whole country.
September 7th, 2010 at 9:47 AM ^
Dan Hawkins would like to talk to you...
September 7th, 2010 at 10:52 AM ^
What could he do with talent equivalent to that of an Oklahoma or Texas?
I remember when people said that about Dan Hawkins.
September 6th, 2010 at 11:51 PM ^
If there aren't two undefeated teams, I bet they get passed by a 1-loss team
September 6th, 2010 at 11:52 PM ^
Well, get used to it.
They will be 2 TD chalk against everyone else on their slate
I predicted in my post today that if they win, that I would be money on them being the #1 in the coaches poll when the season ends. I cant imagine that ranking not getting them into the final game. I wouldnt be surprised if they're the top ranked team in that poll before November begins
Not an endorsement, just a prediction
But get used to this argument, My suggestion? Enjoy the ride and try to make money off of Boise. Its why I dont mind them being here. People keep doubting them, I'll keep picking them.
September 6th, 2010 at 11:52 PM ^
Yep, that win against TCU, beating a team from the MWC, that proved it.
:roll:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:53 PM ^
Let me say this: I think, despite the defensive issues, UM would beat Boise State. Boise required a series of blown calls from officials to beat a middling to good VT team. Other than beating Oregon last year, Boise just hasn't done anything that impresses me (no, beating OU in a bowl game doesn't count - everybody has done that). Even with Oregon State on their schedule, they still play one of the sorriest schedules in major college football. Unfortunately, we're going to have to listen to people piss and moan about how good they are until they get into the BCS title game, where they will get absolutely killed (think Cincinnati-Florida from last year). This team just isn't that good, and teams with more talent will handle them.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:04 AM ^
...so I hate to agree with him.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:11 AM ^
I am a huge Michigan fan. If Michigan played Boise, they would hang 50 on our defense with Kellen Moore at QB so that argument is silly. I always, ALWAYS hear this argument on Boise getting beaten by teams with "more talent"(look at the earlier thread tonight) yet time and time again they win. I don't see the problem with giving them a chance at the MNC(if there aren't two BCS conf unbeatens). If they get killed, then they blew their only chance, but if they win it settles the argument once and for all
September 7th, 2010 at 12:17 AM ^
Boise State would have beat Michigan by 28 had they played on Saturday. It would have been a tragic blood bath.
EDIT: I like how you used Cincinnati - Florida, which was BCS vs BCS, not Utah vs Alabama or BSU vs Oklahoma or Utah vs Pitt, which was BCS vs Non-BCS and the non-BCS team won. At least use Hawaii vs Georgia if you wanna laugh at the little guy.
EDIT 2: I'm remembering this comment when 12-0 Boise shit rocks 12-0 OSU in the National Title game.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:20 AM ^
I think you meant 12-0 Boise against 11-1 Ohio St in the National Championship game
September 7th, 2010 at 12:23 AM ^
Your actually gonna use Bama/Utah as a defense?? Please Bama 2008 is Michigan 2006 a team that lost their last game to the #1 team in the country and simply did not care about their bowl game...
Utah/Pitt..you mean 3 loss Pitt??? A team that everyone said would lose to Utah that year.
I'll give you Boise/OU even though OU was using a WR as a QB and has been a bowl whipping boy since USC put it on them in the title game years before.
Fact is when you only have to get up for about 2 games a year it makes a difference compared to having to claw and fight through 6 or 7 tough teams a year.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:49 AM ^
You mean 11-1 with a devastating loss to Michigan which somehow sees them remain as #2?
September 7th, 2010 at 2:57 AM ^
Is Boise a good team? Absolutly they are..they might be able to beat UM..but by 28 are you kidding me? Explain to me how that defense could stop Michigan from hanging 40 on them.
Really I could understand if you wanted to argue that they would beat UM..I would not agree but i would understand. But your not the 1st person to say that they would blow us out like this is 2008 or something. If i got to chose whether to play Boise or ND on saturday..wed be playing on the blue turf I guarantee you.
September 7th, 2010 at 6:25 AM ^
Boise is like 50x better than ND this year. To prefer to play on the blue turf next week than by FieldGoal Jesus is just pure ignorance. Boise's passing offense is leagues beyond ND's at this point.
September 7th, 2010 at 8:45 AM ^
You would choose to play at Boise, and I respect that. However, Michigan would lose by at least 2 TDs. on the smurf turf if they were playing there on Saturday. And I'd have zero problem laying those points
Playing in South Bend is a lot easier than playing in Boise. Its not even close.
September 7th, 2010 at 7:54 AM ^
After watching BSU's defense, I don't think they could keep you guys under 40 points. Might they win 49-42? Sure, but they're not an elite team. A very good team (Maybe an Iowa level team); tier 2, to be sure. I just don't think they can hang with more talented teams. 7-11 vs BCS conference schools in the past decade doesn't make them an elite team.
September 6th, 2010 at 11:55 PM ^
anyone (including TCU) gets anointed. I would fell better about Boise if they would manipulate their schedule to allow their tough games at the end of the season.
Go Beavs!
September 7th, 2010 at 12:02 AM ^
Oregon St will get eaten alive in Boise in 2 weeks...if Va Tech couldn't pound the rock against them Oreg St sure as heck wont..... The only hiccup they could run into is Fresno St. Even then if Bama can go undefeated then I have no doubts Ingram and Richardson will run all over BSU.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:17 AM ^
NTOSU is well coached too...and they are hungry...they have an NFL 1st rounder in Paea...and a pretty good college RB in Rodgers (his brother's pretty good too.) Don't count them out. They know the score and need redemption post TCU.
Game on JT...
September 7th, 2010 at 12:27 AM ^
You think the new QB can improve that much in 2 weeks to roll into Boise on the blue Turf and win a game. If a vet like Masoli couldn't get it done i dont see a kid making his 3rd start with arguably less offensive talent getting the job done.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:43 AM ^
I'll give the Beavs a chance. Not a huge one, but a chance none the less.
I think if they catch Boise on a night where they aren't totally sharp, it will be close, and you never know what can happen.
Plus, ORST has a BYE this coming week, so two weeks to prepare and get rested.
Go Beavs!
September 6th, 2010 at 11:56 PM ^
imagine alabama losing to florida but still able to win the SEC championship game. They would for sure jump them.
September 6th, 2010 at 11:59 PM ^
For people who want a playoff and a true champion in major college football, Boise is our best friend. Any time they are good with a perfect record, whatever happens to them, playoff proponents can make dust of the BCS system
September 7th, 2010 at 12:06 AM ^
September 7th, 2010 at 12:21 AM ^
Yeah. The SEC fans have to keep saying they know that Boise couldn't win at that level in a "real" conference. The "SEC is so impossible" cover story gives the SEC teams freedom to have 3 really cool luxuries: the ability to to play no one in non-conference (especially on the road), the ability to fart away a loss or two in the league every year (2 is even cool if they are early on in the season), and finally get all the voters throwing high rankings their way thoughtlessly.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:17 AM ^
Simple actually when you dont have to get up week after week for tough teams, your football life becomes extremely easy. You truly believe that they could always win these games when in late october/early november their schedule might be @Wisky, @Iowa, and home to Nebraska or maybe @LSU, @Fla and home to Bama...????
Instead theirs looks like @NMSU, @La Tech, and home to San Jose St.....that is all one needs to know what its like to be Boise St...and dont give me the bottom feeders of the Power Conferences are comparable to the bottom feeders of the WAC. A team like Indiana will blow away the SJSU and NMSU teams of the world.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:18 AM ^
Ole Miss lost to a D-1AA team, so did Kansas. Minnesota almost lost to some school in Middle Tennessee or something. Maybe you shouldn't just make shit up. Oh and Cincinnati lost to Fresno. Ooops.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:33 AM ^
Congrats you just used a bunch of bottom feeders as a defense. At no point did i say they would struggle against those teams, in fact i agree they would steamroll those teams.
However, I will stand by the fact that until they have to fave adversity against 3 or 4 good teams week after week, then i will continue to say it is much easier knowing your tough games come in early september and it's a cake walk the rest of the way.
September 7th, 2010 at 6:23 AM ^
A team like Indiana will blow away the SJSU and NMSU teams of the world.
I was responding to this - clearly you're wrong about it.
September 7th, 2010 at 9:52 AM ^
exceptions do not prove the rule, friend.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:21 AM ^
I really dont have time to argue the haters. Again. On a team that just gets it done.
The program has beat a Big 12 Champ, a Pac 10 Champ and Mountain West Champ, is 4-2 SU, 6-0 ATS in 6 games against the #2 and #3 Pac 10 teams and now has taken down the best program in the ACC. In their backyard. With 80,000 rabid Hoke-A-Lokes screaming at them.
Clearly, they would be overmatched in the Big 10
I havent changed my tune in three years here. I would take this program at home against every team in the Big 10, but OSU, and I would take them to win on the road in most games
Would they run the table? No. Not many teams go unbeaten in the Big 10. But, they would be BCS Bowl contenders every year. Being in a league like ours would ensure the pipeline of talent they're already getting would continue to come in droves. They would not be at a talent or speed disadvantage. It would be the opposite. Jeebus, folks, they would steam roll IU, Illinois, Purdue, Minny. I cant even imagine the hurt Boise would put on Sparty. It would be LOLtastic. Line them up in row, It would not matter. They would have pantsed Penn State in any of the last couple of years. This year, it would be a joke. Even in Happy Valley. They would be contenders for a BCS Bid coming out of the Big 10. I have no doubt about it. I've been watching this program since the start. This isnt 2005 any more when they were cute.
This is an ELITE College Football Program
September 7th, 2010 at 12:41 AM ^
September 7th, 2010 at 12:49 AM ^
sorry i didnt list all the league
I think my point is pretty clear
I would bet on them to beat every team at home. Most of them on the road. Really I dont know about OSU, either way, and thats about it.
They would have smoked us on Saturday.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:55 AM ^
I don't see it.
and no bsu plays 1 game a year. must be rough.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:50 AM ^
Sorry, man. We need to define elite. When you say that I think of Alabama et al. Boise is good, not that good.
This is their resume:
- 2006: beat Oklahoma 43-42 in overtime in a bowl game (extra preparation).
- 2008: beat Oregon in Eugene, 37-32.
- 2009: beat Oregon in Boise, 19 - 8, in first game of season (extra preparation).
- 2010: beat Virginai Tech on the Road, 33 - 30, in first game of season (extra preparation.)
That's it. That's their big wins. Not to mention that they lost to Washington in 2007. That year the Huskies ended up 4-9.
Sorry, man. I'll give them Very Good status like Wisconsin, Iowa, Georgia, and so on. But that ain't elite.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:56 AM ^
Lost to ULM in 2007
And got bitchslapped in a Sugar Bowl by a midmajor.
So, what, they're elite because of one excellent year?
I'm not sure you really have a grip on the defiinition of elite, either.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:03 AM ^
You might be right about my grip of the definition of elite but, come on man, Alabama's only had one good year? Really?
The point is that Boise has won 4 games of note going back to 2006, and now they're one game and a bunch of tomato cans away from a berth in the national championship game. Smells like bullshit to me.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:10 AM ^
My comment on Alabama was ridiculous on purpose to match your ridiclous assertion Boise isnt elite. You can claim they dont deserve a shot at the title based on their schedule, thats fine. But you're ignoring a whole lot of facts, results, and roster breakdowns if you dont think Boise State is an elite power in the current day landscape.
September 7th, 2010 at 6:58 AM ^
Your definition of elite is clearer after your last comment and I would agree that they can go toe to toe with anybody. There's a reason why major programs aren't eager to play them. But people aren't eager to play Wisconsin and Iowa OOC either. Those teams can go toe to toe with anyone, too. Are those teams elite?
Hell I'll even grant you that Boise is probably better than Iowa and Wisconsin, they impressed me tonight. They're really good and would beat the pants off Michigan and everyone in the Big Ten except Ohio State, to whom they'd still pose a significant threat. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate them.
Regarding their schedule, they handle it like I would expect a strong BCS level team to handle a schedule like that. It's just hard for me to look at them and see how they would do with facing a Big 10 / Pac 10 / SEC / Big 12 schedule week in, week out. They'd have to show more and more every game and, sooner or later, Northwestern / Purdue / Indiana is going to jump up and beat them. The WAC will never challenge them enough to "deserve" it more than teams that have to put up with that on a weekly basis. That sucks for them, but 'tis what it is.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:33 AM ^