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Except that the same thing…

Except that the same thing happened to Bill Belichick...

I disagree.  I don't see how…

I disagree.  I don't see how anybody could watch Patterson play and come away with confidence.  I think his play screams otherwise; he's jumpy in the pocket, misses open receivers at points due to this jumpiness, and takes unnecessary sacks due to holding the ball.  I'll give it to him, he's performed well enough, but I think he's a Jalen Hurts while McCaffery is a Tua, a guy who just has "it" opposed to "decent enough".

I think offensive line was…

I think offensive line was the largest problem in the past.  I just don't see how anyone could watch Shea play and think that he's a confident playmaker who will eek out the hard wins.  His play routinely screams otherwise, which is unfortunate.

Obviously I feel pretty good…

Obviously I feel pretty good about the team right meow but one thing still worries me and that's our quarterback.  Shea looks jumpy, doesn't stand in the pocket, holds the ball way too long at points giving up sacks, and misses wide-open receivers at points.  He does have a way of improvising and utilizing his legs, but I think McCaffery has the same potential.  Although a limited sample, every time Dylan McCaffery has led the offense, we've looked commanding.  I just think he has "it" in a way Shea doesn't and, in my opinion, Shea will hold us back from a national championship.

That's really my only concern with this team.  I think every offensive position group is improving, especially the line.  The quarterback position still scares me though.

Today I learned that West

Damn it OP, I hate you for changing said post before my comment

Just because it happened one

Just because it happened one year doesn't mean that's the norm.

This is spot on.  We'll never

This is spot on.  We'll never become an elite program if we don't start recruiting bigs better.  I feel like JB is always digging himself a hole with these lower-ranked guys who just have major holes in their games, most guys don't turn out like Trey Burke or Caris.

Which side is Donnal worse?

Which side is Donnal worse?  Offense or defense?  We might as well have Spike play the 5...

My only hope is one day we

My only hope is one day we can recruit a big that's actually good outside of Jordan Morgan and Mitch McGary...

Why do we have a longsnapper

Why do we have a longsnapper on scholarship if he can barely snap the ball?

Megatron left two years

Megatron left two years before Paul Johnson was even hired. You might be thinking of Demaryius Thomas but he wasn't recruited by Paul Johnson either.

People somehow don't

People somehow don't understand this. Gardner's best season was when he was being coached at WR for half the season. The more coaching and experience he got, the worst he played. Despite playing so terribly though, he was still the starter because nobody behind him was improving either.

He also played through a ton of injuries because he was hit almost every damn play for two years. It's pretty hard to look down field when you've got constant pressure or worrying about getting blindsided. Having trust in your line is huge and bad offensive lines can break good quarterbacks. Gardner also played through a ton of injuries like a broken foot and possibly a messed up labrum in today's game.

This guy had every damn thing against him, including the fans. He had the chance to be a great QB until our program killed his potential. He deserved more but he's always going to be remembered as a terrible QB because he tried to make plays to keep Michigan in the game. I absolutely hate losing and I hate praising bad performances, but Devin Gardner is the one player that kept us in games, played through everything he could, and got absolutely shit on by fans every week. The Hoke era would've been a hell of a lot worse if Bellamy or Morris started the last two seasons.

I don't know how we played so

I don't know how we played so well this season with so little experience and post play but we had a great fucking year.  I felt nervous the whole Kentucky game and even moreso on that last possession by them but that's the way it goes.  Unfortunately, good seasons usually end in heartbreak but that's the price we pay for seasons like this.

2 Top 10 commits in the 2015

2 Top 10 commits in the 2015 class have now decommitted.  That's kinda depressing.

Irvin is having a tough start

Irvin is having a tough start but he's a very good player that's being thrown into the wrong mix.  Our team doesn't have any leadership nor any sense of identity on offense and we don't have Trey to come in and facilitate anymore.  Irvin will be a great player, possibly even next season, but he's not good enough currently to come in and create an offense around him with a team that has no chemistry to it without Burke.  Irvin would've looked just as good as Staukas if he played for Michigan last season.

I'm not seeing it with Walton though.  He reminds me a lot of Yogi Ferrell at Indiana where he's a freshman starter that looks lost on a team full of talented players.  He tries to play too fast and isn't in sync with anybody else on the team.  He's a player that I've already written off because he looks too out of place and I haven't seen any flashes of potential (but who knows, Beilein certainely knows more than me so maybe he can figure it out).

From what I can remember, our

From what I can remember, our offensive line play was atrocious.

Well now I'm on the fire

Well now I'm on the fire Brady Hoke wagon.  He can't make critical decisions apparently when it comes to his staff.

As someone earlier in this

As someone earlier in this thread mentioned, Ohio State's defensive coordinators are on the hot seat and they haven't lost a game in two years.  Borges had two great games and nine terrible ones (Indiana was good but their defense is horrendous) and suddenly we're okay with him staying.  Shows the difference in expectations, we're now okay with mediocrity because of how bad the offense was this season.  Borges should've been out of a job a month ago.

He's being realistic, that's

He's being realistic, that's what was said before this season began.  Who cares when he joined?  Stop being an asshole because someone doesn't respect mediocrity.

People want Borges and Funk

People want Borges and Funk gone because they're terrible coaches.  There's a reason Borges has been to so many places, he just can't call plays very well unless it's at a perfect environment featuring multiple first rounders called Auburn.  Looking at the offensive line, it's obvious there's problems and even Lewan has seemed to digress.

People are starting to call for Hoke's head because he won't make the move to fire Borges or Funk midseason like other schools have done (Texas with Manny Diaz, Wisconsin with their offensive line coach last year).  He's stood by and seemingly looks like a bubbling idiot as he supports Borges and looks lost on the sideline.  While this coaching staff is more of a committee than a heirachy, it's still Hoke's job to win games.

The defense hasn't looked great at times and while the time of possession is usually pretty close, it still feels like the defense is constantly on the field and being worn down.  Personally, I think Mattison is doing a great job.  The upperclassmen are Rodrigeuz players or the last minute recruiting class in 2010, he hasn't really had time to develop or gather great defensive linemen, the most vitale part of a defense.  I don't think we'll be like an Alabama defense year in and year out but we'll consistently have a great defense once things fall in place.

Sorry for the long post, just kind of my thoughts flowing.  As a side note, I really feel for Devin.  He's giving it his all and is obviously hurt and scared, something completely understandable given the position he's in.  He gets hit every single fucking play and gets up after each one knowing it'll happen again and again.

Not enough Guns N Roses or

Not enough Guns N Roses or pig faced DJs. Seriously though, their atmosphere was terrible. But who can resist a good kiss cam?

EDIT: Also, their student section is about as big as my high school's (my high school had 3k students) and traffic leaving was a fucking nightmare.

Does anybody know what

Does anybody know what position we're recruiting him for?  Linebacker or running back?

Good thing Duke didn't shoot

Good thing Duke didn't shoot 41 free throws...

It probably didn't help that

It probably didn't help that Auburn's center called him the N word on his offical visit this weekend.  He left early because he was so pissed off.

You make it sound like Duke

You make it sound like Duke or something.  Clemson is a sleeping giant if they ever got a good coach.

What qualifies these jobs as

What qualifies these jobs as a top coaching job?  They have a TON of pressure to succeed.  I'd rather coach a team like Clemson, Florida (before Spurrier) or LSU (before Saban/Miles) because the pressure is lower, they have some tradition, and in-state talent is amazing.

I know but I'd rather push

I know but I'd rather push our tempo then run the half court.  They're setting it up for us with their full court press, we're just being too slow throwing the ball in and pushing to the basket. I'm fine with not pressing in return and playing half court defense.

Everybody is playing sloppy

Everybody is playing sloppy but my biggest peeve is us slowing the pace down.  We should be running the court, we have the depth to do so.

If you think Rutgers or

If you think Rutgers or Maryland is actually bringing in the NYC and DC markets you are mistaken. Too diverse and care more about pro sports. Neither brings new footprints.

This is all true. DC is too

This is all true. DC is too diverse but Tech has the biggest share in northern VA, not UVA.

This is all true. DC is too

This is all true. DC is too diverse but Tech has the biggest share in northern VA, not UVA.

As someone who lives in

As someone who lives in Virginia, I'd like to know where the fuck you got that Tech is "second fiddle". It's completely the opposite.

Stanford and UCLA barely

Stanford and UCLA barely moved up!

A lot of basketball teams do

A lot of basketball teams do this from what I've heard.

You don't have a seat for

You don't have a seat for everyone though.  There are a lot of students that can't buy tickets or couldn't get tickets.  The students paying for tickets aren't the only people that want tickets, just the people that had the money to buy them.  Whether they chose to go to the game, arrive late, or sell them is up to them.

Because there are plenty of

Because there are plenty of students that want those seats.  I think that's pretty obvious with the amount of students there are.  The reason the student section doesn't fill is because students already have the tickets and can 1) be late because they still have that seat and 2) choose not to show up if they don't care about losing their money.

The student section is the only thing that makes the stadium somewhat loud.  Other than that it's dead half the time.

Trimming the student section

Trimming the student section isn't the solution nor is raising prices.  What we really should do is make student tickets free, first come first serve at the gate.  Then you couldn't sell tickets and no more waking up late or tailgating into game time because seats won't be there.

Vogrich's defense isn't very

Vogrich's defense isn't very good anyway.  Staukas looks really good shooting wise and his height is an advantage.

You're like the 100th person

You're like the 100th person to say this and I hate it everytime because not running Denard at all and complaining about it doesn't mean you should only run Denard.  You have to find a common balance and it doesn't ever seem like we do that.  Sometimes it changes drive to drive with run all the time then pass all the time.

Okay, Kansas State definitely

Okay, Kansas State definitely didn't dismantle Oklahoma but they also didn't luck into a win.  Oklahoma only had one turnover in the second half, the end of the 3rd quarter.

Personally, I was surprised how well Notre Dame's offense played against Oklahoma, I don't think anyone expected over 400 yards of offense to be put up by them.  As for Notre Dame dismantling Oklahoma?  The score was tied with 5 minutes to go in the game, hardly "dismantling" despite the final score of 30-13.

3/16 passing, 38 yards, 3

3/16 passing, 38 yards, 3 interceptions, 0 yards rushing

How could he honestly be worse?  Seriously?  Give the ball to the other team faster...?

Hopefully Horford's injury

Hopefully Horford's injury isn't too bad and he can stay healthy throughout the season.  I hope we get him back for NC State.  It'd be tough to keep up a high ranking throughout the season if Horford is out unless McGary comes out and plays like Sullinger did.

I agree with your list the

I agree with your list the most.  Florida and Kansas State have the bigger named wins even though they might not have the margin of victory like Alabama and Oregon have had so far.  Notre Dame is barely winning but they also have a tough schedule.

I think Alabama is still the best team in the nation though (but polls should try to minimize guessing as much as possible).  I think Florida and Alabama have the best defenses in the country but Alabama has a better offense than Florida.  Florida reminds me of LSU from last year, their offense isn't very good at all but they get points on the board because of their defense and special teams.

I'd love to change it up like

I'd love to change it up like that. It'd be nice for fans around the country to see us play, the only problem being either filling the stands or filling the stands till the point of crazy ticket prices. Notre Dame is way ahead of the curve by playing games all over. It only gives them media coverage and a recruiting incentive of playing all over the country. That's why ND would rather give up Big10 teams than USC/Stanford/whoever else, cause it gives them coverage elsewhere.

It's different though.

It's different though.  Sometimes players or teams just play poorly and actually don't execute well.  Borges is focusing on the wrong things though and isn't utilizing the best thing he's got, Denard.  The play calling is terrible for the type of quarterback that we have.

Stats are meaningless to what

Stats are meaningless to what Brian said.  Of course Denard played badly if the plays don't fit to his strengths...

Stepfan Taylor getting

Stepfan Taylor getting absolutely no respect.  He should be one of the favorites in my opinion.

 

Geno Smith is also a product of WVU's system.  He makes the system better because he's a good player but other QBs could step in and have ridiculous numbers too.  It's just like Oregon's system where they've had different running backs and QBs put in and still get similar results like the likes of LaMichael James and Darron Thomas.

That's 18 points a quarter to

That's 18 points a quarter to cover.  FSU will constantly playing offense because Savannah State has no offense themselves (as well as FSU having a top-tier defense).  I'm not so sure that Savannah's D will be able to stop FSU's third stringers.  Savannah State is one of the worst teams in FCS (as in D-1AA).

Yes, Savannah State IS that

Yes, Savannah State IS that bad.  They're a bottom dwelling FCS team that FSU had to schedule late because West Virginia backed out.  They had 139 yards against Oklahoma State and FSU's defense is lightyears ahead of Okie State's D.  FSU's third stringers will still be better than Savannah State (we'll see if their starters even get a full half in or not).  They need to score 18 points a quarter to beat the spread, that's not a whole lot when you're constantly playing offense the whole game because the opposing team doesn't have one...

Milliner had some great PBUs,

Milliner had some great PBUs, Gardner ran some bad routes, we had some drops, etc.  The first interception was a PI that wasn't called (that happened later in the game too, it was bullshit on how obvious both of them were).  The second was a legitimate bad pass right to Mosley.  Overall, I was impressed by Denard but his receivers (other than Gallon) and line didn't give much help.