Blue in Paradise

January 21st, 2018 at 5:03 PM ^

So if you are this big Michigan fan, then why do you $hit on a local kid picking Michigan in his commitment thread?  Can you see how that makes you look like a troll or d-bag?  Did you ever think that Vincent and his family are really excited today and probably reading this?

There are plenty of general recruitment threads where you people like you can $hit on the 2018 class all you want.  With Michigan fans like you, I would rather deal with an OSU troll.

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FrozeMangoes

January 21st, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^

But, I don't think the stars argument holds up in this case.  This kid is the kind of 3 star to target.  Has the frame to play the position intended and is picking up big offers late in the process.  That lends me to believe this is more of a late developing kid than a desperation flyer.

 

Also,  the evidence points towards 2018 being an outlier, not the new norm.  With several top 100 kids already commited in 2019. 

Lastly, I could be wrong, but I think it is underestimated on this board among star gazers how much harder the acedemic standards at UM make it to land top 5 classes.  To start each cycle there are probably 25% of kids that they simply can't have on their board that other schools can. 

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Wolfman

January 21st, 2018 at 3:05 PM ^

Every year every team in America offers kids they aren't sure of and that list consists of every kid on their commitment list. Of course some are safer bets than others but at elite schools, these kids many look at as projects definitely possess qualities that far outweigh their supposed deficiencies. If not, they would not be offered and we don't have to be specialists to realize this. 

Anyone that has read anything by Bo is aware of how many people ended up being All Conference some AA and some even All Pro. And just how many of those were walk on or considered "fringe players" when offered is really quite astounding. Unless you're a Bama, a USC, OSU you will have many contributors who were not those players those schools were lining up to sign. Welcome young man and enjoy your years in AA. 

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cbs650

January 21st, 2018 at 9:34 PM ^

many folks on this here board who understand the admission process stated the reason what the issues were that prevented the two players from Ole Miss being admitted to UM and it had to do with classes that most likely DIDN'T transfer to UM. That alone makes the transfer standard different from the incoming freshman standard.

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Blue in Paradise

January 21st, 2018 at 11:13 PM ^

academic standards for athletes. Somebody wrote that Michigan doesn’t have higher standards and asked for examples when Michigan has denied acceptance for a player that another school accepted. So I gave two recent examples (Van Jefferson was accepted at Florida- which is a good school in its own right). Then the poster changed the story to only include incoming freshman and not transfers. I said that there have been numerous instances, including in 2018, where Michigan didn’t offer a highly ranked in state kid or cooled on someone they were previously recruiting hard. The explanation on recruiting boards was grades. Maybe that is right or maybe it is wrong. My understanding is that Michigan does have higher standards than most other schools but that admissions give them 2-3 exceptions in each class for kids that are borderline. I don’t know if that is true or not, but you won’t hear me making definitive statements on topics that I don’t much about. I could have argued either side of this “debate” but I really just hate when people talk out of their @ss on stuff they know nothing about.

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Longballs Dong…

January 22nd, 2018 at 11:15 AM ^

the original comment that started the debate was about incoming freshman and that 25% of our targets can't come to M due to our high standards. I responded to that, you responded with transfers. then you cited kids that couldn't get into any D1 school. the bottom line is that we don't like to take a bunch of kids with the bare minimum qualification but we can and do. other schools might be happy to take 10 bare minimum kids and let 6 flunk out. M won't do that, but at the per freshman level, we don't have higher standards.

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Longballs Dong…

January 21st, 2018 at 9:35 PM ^

I should have clarified, transfers are different. the reason they are different is that M doesn't give credit for many transferred classes so those guys would qualify but wouldn't be considered in the proper class per NCAA retirements. show me a kid out of HAS that M wanted but lost due to grades and was eligible anywhere else.

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Blue in Paradise

January 21st, 2018 at 11:21 PM ^

On kids that don’t sign an LOI was with them. So it is not possible to prove this through an example. But there are plenty of cases where Michigan didn’t offer or didn’t recruit highly ranked kids that were either in state or showed and interest in Michigan. The recruiting analysts have said that they didn’t have the grades. Is it possible they were talking out of their @sses - sure. My point is that people outside of the program and admissions have no idea so why make absolute comments. Only Sith deal in absolutes.

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Longballs Dong…

January 22nd, 2018 at 12:04 AM ^

you are dealing in an absolute also so I'm not sure what your point is. yes, we have passed on kids because of grades, but were they eligible anywhere else? there is something universities use called academic exemption. when M wants a kid that is out of the normal ranges, we invoke it. it's often rumored that UM limits the number of those each year but it's also assumed that we'll get anyone important if we want them. Google the AP story about it. I couldn't find stats about M but it's interesting nonetheless. also here's a link from this site where a bunch of Insiders explain it in more detail. http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/does-michigan-have-higher-academic-requirem…

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Blue in Paradise

January 22nd, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^

I thought the Sith comment made that obvious - I was trying to lighten the mood.

Anyway, we are not even that far on our views.  I am just getting really tired of all these supposed Michigan fans being so damn negative about everything Michigan just becuase we lost 5 games last year.  So I guess i took it out on this post where I got triggered becuase people are $hitting on this kid on the best day of his life because he wasn't ranked in the top 300.

If people are so discouraged about Michigan that they rage against every aspect of the program - then go find a new hobby or a different school to support.  Life is too short to be so f&cking negative about something that is supposed to be fun.

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Longballs Dong…

January 22nd, 2018 at 12:08 AM ^

the school would never comment about a kids grades even if they could, but why wouldn't they ever talk about these higher general standards? why haven't any recruits mentioned it? why do other schools brag about it like Stanford and Rice? Why is this something that you want to be true? just to have an excuse? we shouldn't handicap ourselves and we don't.

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Longballs Dong…

January 21st, 2018 at 4:15 PM ^

you should post other things that we all know, make us look bad and most importantly we can't do a thing about. for instance, did you know that M let to MSU this year? Or you could rehash that shitty bowl game, but whatever you do, leave out anything of value or that could mitigate the bad. I hope you do this to your wife (though I assume you're way too miserable to convince a girl to be around you). hey honey, I saw 4 women on the way home from work that were hotter than you. bigger boobs too.

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EconClassof14

January 21st, 2018 at 2:29 PM ^

My main concern again is roster balance, I'd much rather take a flier on a lowly rated DT/OT where we're much thinner. Also, who covers opponet's small/quick slot WRs? I can only think of Thomas 

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Losher

January 21st, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^

i dont get the adding of another DB in this class when we lost nobody from last year who were contributors in the defensive backfield and loaded up the year before. it seems like something where the staff is going to take a bunch of guys in every class and hope that someone can play at least one of the 4/5 posititons

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Losher

January 21st, 2018 at 4:32 PM ^

possibilities is literally what im accounting for with the take a bunch of guys and hope some of the large group fill all the positions at some point or another. you cant have enough depth but you also cant sacrifice the depth at one position to have an over abundance at another

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YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

January 21st, 2018 at 3:27 PM ^

Guy has a high ceiling with his size, athleticism and ball skills. He seems to like hitting and riunning the alleys - could be a very good safety in Brown’s system. Go Blue.

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