Super-Not-OT: Officiating Question

Submitted by Sleepy on

Last night's officiating debacle got me thinking--when was the last time UM benefited from some less than 50/50 officiating in football or basketball?  And when the only example I could come up with was the 2000 fooball game against Illinois, it got me thinking, again.  Either...

A)  UM has spent the past two decades getting jobbed by officials in two sports.

or

B)  When UM has a game poorly officiated in their favor, my lying-ass brain doesn't recognize it as poorly officiated, but rather as fairly officiated.

The answer's gotta be B, right?

theintegral

January 10th, 2018 at 9:44 AM ^

Isn't every ball knocked out of an offensive player's hand out of bounds last touched by the player in control of the ball?  I can envision no other scenario. 

Maize4Life

January 10th, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^

Its not just one random bad call here and there..and its not just recently...Michigan has WAY MORE than its share of bad calls go against them..Our AD needs to stand up to the B10 and demands Answers..Unfortunately we have a weak AD in my eyes so that wont happen..WE need to demand answers get tapes of all these horrible calls against us and present them to Jim Delaney and Demand answers

Alton

January 10th, 2018 at 10:08 AM ^

Let's have the hockey fans looking at this thread give their opinion on the number "two" there in option A.  As a matter of fact, I think Michigan has gotten the shorter end of hockey officiating more often (and in bigger games) over the last 25 years than in either basketball or football.

And no, I don't have anything constructive to add to the thread, other than ranting about quick whistles with the puck near the goalmouth.

smwilliams

January 10th, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^

Again, our issue isn't with the concept that Matthews may have touched the ball last, it's the intent of the call and the nature in which it was reviewed. I'd wager that in at least 75% of calls where the defender knocks the ball away from an offensive player and it goes OOB, the offense player touched the ball last. I mean, from a physical standpoint, it'd be almost impossible not to have that happen because the offensive player is the one holding the ball. 

There is a simple fix to this. Referees have 1 minute to look at the play at a designated speed (think 1/2x). If there isn't definitive evidence of a missed call, the original call stands. This could go for pro sports, college sports, whatever. The fact the referees decided that TWO FRAMES showed Matthews touching it last is ridiculous.

As for the OP's original question, it's definitely B, but it seems like in close games that doubled as big games, the calls have swung against Michigan in recent years.

 

 

Grampy

January 10th, 2018 at 10:50 AM ^

I agree with the assertion that, by the rule, the player controlling the ball gets a lot of calls in that situation. My proposition is to make "Intention" the primary determination in applying the rule. If you swat the ball and it goes out of bounds, it's the other team's ball without consideration of who touches it last. While determination of force vectors might require a basic understanding of physics on the part of referees (/shudders), it has the benefit of being fairer. It also eliminates a chintzy move of bouncing the ball off an opponent, having it land OOB, and getting possession of the ball. In what other sport is that kind of dick move legal? Of course, if you are in possession of the ball and lose it OOB of your own boobery, you would lose possession Edit: Oh, right, Soccer lets you pull that dick move. I rest my case...

TheBlueAbides

January 10th, 2018 at 11:00 AM ^

I agree but this opens up a new can of worms. What if you swat the ball out of the offensive players hand and it goes down off of his foot or knee and out. You made a great play but “doesn’t matter who touched it last” shouldn’t always apply

Solecismic

January 10th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^

I don't think there's a bias against Michigan coming from a group of officials or the conference. We just don't pay as much attention when the call goes for us, and we've had a long string of terrible luck in big games in several sports recently. Once that review started last night, it was 50/50 over whether there was enough evidence to overturn the call. Would we accept losing because of some "gentleman's agreement" to technically make the wrong call? That was likely just really bad luck or a foul that they can't retroactively call. I would like to see some sort of officiating reform. - As long as TV Ted remains employed, every game he officiates turns into a joke - and not a funny one. - What happened at Columbus in 2016 should never have happened; for optics alone the league can't allow fans of a team to officiate games. - Last night's delay was far too long. The replay rule should be scrapped if referees have to spend six minutes in a huddle and/or watching monitors. Give them a 30-second clock or something, then they have to decide.

Red is Blue

January 10th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^

Because, you remember the ones that went against you and forget the ones in your favor I'm really not sure whether Michigan is at the short end of the stick or not, but it sure feels that way.

People also have a tendency to underestimate the streakiness of randomness (in this case "50/50" calls.  Even if Michigan has been at the short end of the stick, is that just a string of random flips coming up more tails than would be expected by people, but is realistic according to stats.

 

 

SDCran

January 10th, 2018 at 10:27 AM ^

That was a new, made up on the spot rule in the last minute of a game.

(Foot touches pylon vs MSU was the worst, new rule made up on the spot call ever, but it wasn’t late and it didn’t change the outcome).

And, to be fair, the shot clock reset when Purdue knocked an inbounds pass oob, was a terrible call earlier last night. But, again, not in the last seconds.

CarlosSpicyweiner21

January 10th, 2018 at 10:35 AM ^

The second they changed who the ball went out on I knew it was game. I have seen too many times where Michigan gets a call changed and then the game ripped from them. I have long grown up and got over loving Michigan for sports....I still enjoy their teams, but I love Michigan for the whole of what the University and fan base does for the world. (ex. ChadTough)

Steve in PA

January 10th, 2018 at 11:59 AM ^

Even outside the last minute I would only give that crew a c+ grade. Watching the game as a former coach, there was a lot missed & not called for both sides that had a real affect on the game. I am not a fan of Gene Steratore or how he calls basketball. I think he should just stick to football.

cKone

January 10th, 2018 at 12:29 PM ^

It's most likely B.  The only time that it is noticable in my febal brain is when watching with fans of the other team.  I lived in Ohio for many years and can't think of any examples of OSU fan friends complaining.  Back in the 90's I was watching Michigan against Wisconson with a Wisky grad, and there was a fumble by Michigan that was ruled down.  This was before replay though.  

As I recall the game was close and could have been the difference in the game.

bmiddy23

January 10th, 2018 at 12:35 PM ^

Straight from Wiki.  Take it however you want.

 

Richard James Boyages (born March 15, 1962) is Associate Commissioner for Men's Basketball for the annual Big Ten Conference. Working with Big Ten Commissioner James E. Delaney, Boyages serves as main administrator and conference office liaison for the Big Ten Conference Men's Basketball Tournament and primary overseer of the men’s basketball officiating program.[1]

Prior to this, Boyages was head coach and association commissioner for the Mid-American Conference (MAC), which he joined in 2005 after stints as special assistant to the athletic director at Ohio State University in its 2004-05 academic year, and as head coach for the William & Mary Tribe men's basketball team from 2000-2003.[2] He compiled a 33-52 overall record (21-31 in the CAA) during his three seasons as coach.[2]

Boyages started his coaching career at Bates College in Lewiston, Maine, where he coached for four seasons. In 1987, he became Bates' head basketball coach at age 24, the nation's youngest collegiate head coach that year.[3] His Division I career began at Boston College in 1991, however, following his years at Bates. He also spent two separate stints as an assistant coach for the Ohio State men's team (1998-2000 & 2003-04).[3]