OT: Question about motorcycles and scooters

Submitted by Braylon1 on

Never owned a motorcycle or scooter. I'm moving to Florida in the next year and plan on getting one or the other but am hesitant because of my inexperience. I'm not looking to spend a ton of money and am definitely looking to buy something that's easy to drive. I have never had a speeding ticket in my life. I am not interested in going fast or doing tricks, etc. Just looking for something to get around town now and again.

Thus far I've looked at the Sym motorcycles and the SSR Rowdy scooter.

Any suggestions on what to look for or what to buy? Looking for something simple and relatively inexpensive.

maizenbluenc

March 1st, 2017 at 7:20 AM ^

Looked at all variety of scooters and wound up buying a Honda Grom (motorcycle). Another small city commuter option is a Yamaha Zuma 125 or maybe a TW200, or a Honda CB300F.

SCarolinaMaize

March 1st, 2017 at 7:46 AM ^

Scooters are higher profile while street bikes are a lot lower.  May not seem like a big deal, but the lower center of gravity on a motorcycle makes for a more comfortable ride as well as easier balance and manueverability. 2 cents.

74polSKA

March 1st, 2017 at 8:01 AM ^

I agree with most of what's been said. A cruiser style bike is usually more comfortable and has a lower seat height than similar size sport or sport standards. Unless you are a very large person, don't listen to people saying that you can't be comfortable on anything under X engine size. My wife and I put over 60K miles on a 600 sport standard riding in all kinds of road conditions. As someone who hates caring for chains, I would recommend a shaft drive bike but that's just my preference. 

If you are mainly running around town, a scooter is the way to go. Better mpg and most are automatic. Don't get anything under a 150cc if you want to go over about 45-50 mph. My dad has a Stella 150 that will cruise at about 55 to 60 but that's with an aftermarket exhaust system and it's 2 stroke.

I really hope that you take a safety course, even if it isn't required wherever you end up getting licensed. It will give you skills and confidence you need to enjoy your riding experience. I still follow the advice my dad gave me 25 years ago when I started riding. Expect every car you see to pull out in front of you!! I hope you enjoy whatever bike you choose.

Slim_Hype

March 1st, 2017 at 8:07 AM ^

I've been riding bikes for a long time, since I was 16. Start with nothing bigger than a 300 cc bike, perfect starter bike is a Kawasaki Ninja 300.

maize-blue

March 1st, 2017 at 9:06 AM ^

Agree. I'd say the 300-500cc engine family would be good for starter bikes. You're looking for something that doesn't have too much power and get an inexperienced rider in trouble. Also you'll want something lighter that a new rider won't have too much difficulty physically handling. You won't be able to travel long distances comfortably on smaller bikes but they would be good for shorter commutes or navigating urban environments.

Honda has the CB lineup in both the 300cc and 500cc engine size and are fairly inexpensive and easy to ride bikes.

 

maize-blue

March 1st, 2017 at 9:22 AM ^

I believe that but I was mainly referring to the new CB's that can be had for $4,000(ish) or under.

I wouldn't recommend older bikes to newer riders unless you were mechanically inclined. Older bikes can be cool but if you need someone else to wrench it can be hard to find someone. A lot of service departments won't touch the older stuff.

 

MGlobules

March 1st, 2017 at 9:00 AM ^

Vespas for charm, and are pretty much bullet proof, really well-made machines. We have one that we bought when we moved to Tallahassee, and it has really provided my family with some fun--my daughter is a teenager now, but still loves to get on the back and go for Sunday drives with me. The 125 is great (it gets 105 miles to the gallon); the Stella and the Kick both have classic lines, like old and more recent Italian models. There is now also a 170 that I have flirted with, but the 125 goes 60 miles an hour and can get you out of trouble if need be (my advice--do not get an underpowered machine): 

http://www.genuinescooters.com/buddy170i.html

 

Completely agree with others who say that Florida drivers are all over the map--angry poor people, dumb students, and elderly people who drive at a snail's pace. I only ride in my neighborhood and in nearby downtown, and never during peak traffic. Taking a class helped me be a better rider, and is recommended. 

 

Tunneler

March 1st, 2017 at 1:30 PM ^

Looks like a motorcycle, operates like a scooter:

She had a knee replacement so I got her a Can-Am Spyder...  The reverse feature is huge for her.

 

This one is mine. It's a Harley Night Rod Special & just an awsome machine.

 

Got the Can-Am & the Harley used with low miles (around 4,000 miles on each) & saved big $.

 

 

jblaze

March 1st, 2017 at 9:01 AM ^

Take a motorcycle class. I think they are free/ cheap from the State (depends on the state, obviously). When I took my class, we used 250cc bikes as starters. You could always get one of those. 

In terms of the actual motorcycle, anything that is under 750cc (not a crotch rocket) and is comfortable to you, should be fine.

Rage

March 1st, 2017 at 9:13 AM ^

I bought my first bike last year and decided on a 1992 Honda Nighthawk 750.  I love it.  It's built like a tank. It's easy to ride. It has all the power you need but not too much. It's a great bike.  

Take a class and get your endorsement.  Always wear your gear.  Eveytime I ride my bike someone almost hits me.  Be hype raware and the risk is worth the reward.  

FLwolvfan22

March 1st, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^

Stick only to name brands. There are scooter shops all over the place down here that sell no name chinese crap at tempting prices, don't do it, a part will break and you'll be pushing that crap home. Stick to honda suzuki yamaha etc. a Yamaha Zuma would be a good example or a Honda ruckus, a bit odd looking but I think they're cool.

As an alternative here they have the drunk driver special, an electric scooter, since no motor and can't go very fast no license is required so anyone can drive without a license.

Don

March 1st, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^

Eventually you and a car will collide. Regardless of who's at fault, basic physics guarantees that you will come out on the losing end of that meeting.

mobablue

March 1st, 2017 at 10:07 AM ^

I've been riding for 9 years (since I graduated from Michigan, an NX650 was my graduation present to myself), and used bikes to commute in the Bay Area and Atlanta. 

 

#1 suggestion no one has mentioned yet: take the MSF's Basic Rider Course. I took one at WCC for like $25, but they've got courses all over the country. This a cheap, excellent way to be introduced to motorcycles. You can work the kinks out without worrying about dropping your brand new bike. It will also absolutely let you know if you actually want a bike, or if maybe you'd prefer an automatic scooter, or maybe none of the above. Fair warning - there's a chance it hooks you bad and you buy a bike the next day :)

 

#2 suggestion is to consider dual sport motorcycles like the KLR650 or DL650, especially if you're a tall guy. They have a much more comfortable riding position than a sport bike, and some of the standard cruisers can be small for a big guy just from a space standpoint.

 

#3, some people have said things like 'oh, nothing bigger than a 1200cc'. A bike's performance depends on a lot more than displacement, but unless you weigh 300+ pounds that is a BIG bike. 800 cc can be a BIG bike. My first bike was a 650cc single cylinder. When my wife started, she started on a 500cc twin. Buying some giant 800cc + bike could not only be dangerous, it could be harder to learn (big, heavy thing to throw around). 

 

#4, be careful about riding with others. Even if they have the best intentions, it's easy to get swept up in trying to keep up with someone. Most of the accidents I've seen have been on group rides. 'Ride your own ride'.

maize-blue

March 1st, 2017 at 11:33 AM ^

Agree with just about everything here.

+1 on the dual sport mention. I've owned a KLR 650 in the past and currently have a Honda XR650 in my stable. Good bikes plus you can drive off the beaten path, literally.

MLG2908

March 1st, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^

I agree with those that note urban areas in Florida are a particularly hazardous area to learn to ride.  Older and distracted drivers often will not see a motorcyle, so defensive driving skills are essential.  

Also, consider that sudden tropical rain storms are a common occurrence in Florida.  Riding a motorcycle or scooter in the rain or wet roads is very hazardous particularly for a new rider due to the reduced traction and visibility.

Let's try to quantify some of the risks of a new rider on a motorcycle.  

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/04/17/243879.htm

For motorcycle riders, their first 30 days are about four times more risky than their entire second year, said Matthew Moore, vice president of the Highway Loss Data Institute. “It’s most likely inexperience. Operating a motorcycle is a fairly complex task.”  For example, he said, pulling out on a hill requires a half-dozen actions: balancing on one foot, braking to keep the bike from rolling back, shifting gear, feathering the throttle, watching for traffic and releasing the clutch.

An institute study showed 22 percent of nearly 57,000 collision claims from 2003 to 2007 occurred in the first 30 days after an insurance policy took effect. The claim rate dropped one-third in the second month and almost two-thirds after six months.

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Riders learning at middle age may be at greater risk.

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/a-new-risk-of-middle-age-dyin…

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I have encountered most of the dangerous situations in the linked article below.  A motorcycle training course is helpful for the basics, but does not usually adequately prepare a rider to react properly in emergency situations.

https://rideapart.com/articles/10-common-motorcycle-accidents-and-how-t…

 

BlueRude

March 1st, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^

some questions before you commit to a bike. Depending on the area big city or smaller one. Don't do a scooter, you'll want to see the country side as there are great roads (yea they exists) that can take you a day or a week to travel. You will in no time kiss the pavement with a scooter and limit your traveling. Suggest you get down here and spend some time talking to the locals who own and travel with them. I'm in St Pete and Ferg's has a Alumni club that meets there for ball games. No way in hell if your heading to the east coast get a bike, a Hummer will do fine.

 

MGoCombs

March 1st, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^

Serious question... are there relatively quiet motorcycles that aren't scooters? Like, powerful enough to take on the highway, but quiet enough to not ruin the day of everyone you pass? Say, no louder than your average 4-6 cylinder sedan.

I live in a dense neighborhood in San Diego. There arguably couldn't be a more idyllic area in the continental US to take a bike out on the open road, but living in a dense neighborhood, I don't want to disturb every neighbor and ruin everyone's outdoor lunch because I, one person, want to ride a bike. I'm assuming there are, but I somehow never see or hear them.

blueblueblue

March 1st, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^

Triumph, BMW, Honda, Yamaha, etc. Even many unmodified Harley's are relatively quiet. It's the modified ones that are annoying compensators. For example, a new Iron 883 is not loud at all, but a new Iron 883 with Vance & Hynes can be pretty loud. 

maize-blue

March 1st, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^

Are there quiet motorcycles? Absolutely. I'd say that a majority of stock motorcycles are not loud. Like mentioned, a lot of people buy aftermarket exhausts that increase the noise. Some buy for legitimate performance gains but a lot just think it sounds cool.

Also, I don't think there is scientific data to suggest that "Loud pipes save lives". I've owned a number of bikes and do all the maintenance/mods/wrenching myself. I personally do not like annoyingly loud bikes. 

Tunneler

March 1st, 2017 at 1:43 PM ^

I think it was about 5 years ago maybe in Clinton Township, a guy was cruising along at maybe 45 mph, when some smart ass pulled up next to him & gunned it with his aftermarket exhaust. The original rider, just minding his own business, got startled & ditched his bike right there & died at the scene.   

blueblueblue

March 1st, 2017 at 11:05 AM ^

I bought a motorcycle for much the same reason - primarily to get around Ann Arbor. It was great for that. Parking was awesome. I never had an accident (2 year period), but I imagine had I ridden it longer it would have eventually occurred. Respect the bike, DO NOT take other driver's behaviors for granted. Question and confirm their every move. And definitely take a class (was required in Michigan). Unlike other posters, I am in favor of a larger engine - around 800cc - if, of course, you follow the other rules. Often you need lots of get up to get out of a hairy situation. For that same reason, I would not get a scooter, though I am not you, and I have never ridden one. I just know that I like some gusto. 

They are lots of fun, good luck. 

bj33smith

March 1st, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^

I bought a brand new Indian Scout for $11,000 1,000CC. Sits low and handles amazing. Even has the old vintage look to it as well, which I dig. 

Golden Blue

March 1st, 2017 at 1:03 PM ^

A 250 or 300 is a good starter bike - fast enough to keep up with traffic (they can go up to 80 mph and you don't need to go faster than that) but light enough to put your foot down and keep it from tipping over on you.  A new Honda Rebel or Yamaha 250 starts around $4,300.  So a used one will be a lot less.

Definitely take the new rider safety class.  It usually goes Sat and Sunday at a local community college.  You gain a lot of knowledge quickly from the experienced teachers.  The class usually uses 250s and you spend a lot of time on the bike.

Always wear your helmet.

Never, ever drink and ride.

Have fun and be safe.

 

SFBayAreaBlue

March 1st, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^

1.  Take a motorcycle safety course before your start.

2. If you're not interested in speeding, you don't need anything bigger than a 600 cc.  Even a 250 cc is fun in the beginning.  Most riders work their way up when they find they don't have enough top speed or acceleration.  My 650R has a top speed of 130 mph and gets to 80 faster than most sports cars. Way more than I need. 

3. If you have a lot stop signs or traffic lights, a scooter is a lot easier on your wrists. Motorcycles are ideal on open winding roads with no stop signs.  

Jalm

March 1st, 2017 at 2:35 PM ^

As he stated, go take the MSF course, it is usually pretty cheap, a lot of fun, and you learn a lot about motorcycle/scooter safety, as well as get some seat time before youre thrown out in traffic.

RioThaN

March 1st, 2017 at 1:19 PM ^

I decided to do that too about 2 years ago, I decided to start using a motorcycle as my car was giving me trouble and to me it didn't make sense to keep fixing the car when usually I was by myself in it and I had a lot of trouble finding parking spaces for my constant errands downtown. I never had a motorcycle and I remembered feeling really insecure when I had the chance to ride a 400 CC chopper bike that belonged to a friend as I'm not that big either at 5'9 and 150 lbs so I decided to buy something smaller. I bought a Bajaj Pulsar 220, As it's smallish, I have been riding the thing since then, sometimes I use the car for grocery shopping and carpooling but as for everything else I use the bike and it's been real fun. First thing I did when I got on it was crashing against the wall inside the garage as I wasn't too familiar with turning and hitting the gas at the same time, but after a week or so I started to feel real comfortable and now it comes as second nature. I still use the car to go out of town though as the 220 CC motor isn't enough to make me feel safe if I have to get on the highway.