Attendance was really bad last night

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on

Announced attendance of 9,981 and it wasn't even close to that.

Especially bad for a Challenge game. 3rd worst-crowd for one here ever with the two ones that were worse being in the Ellerbe era and Beilein's first year where we won 10 games.

Football season still on the brain? Only averaging 10,074 through 4 games and that number will likely drop to 4 figures with the thrilling game on Saturday against Kennesaw State.

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ReegsShannon

December 1st, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^

Well, we're #20 in the nation in 3PA/FGA. MSU is #67. So we do shoot a lot of threes. Michigan's low pace, masks a lot of those numbers, although MSU does shoot a lot more threes than they used to.

 

EDIT: Actually interesting fact I just uncovered. We are #2 among high major teams in 3PA/FGA behind Villanova.

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MGoBender

December 1st, 2016 at 12:02 PM ^

Right. Higher than average, but not obscene.  I'll take Villanova's success.

There's an argument to be made about how many 3s are too many threes, but most on this blog just spout off memes that they think are true but, in reality, things fall more into the gray area. I bet someone on here  still thinks we run a lot of 1-3-1.

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ReegsShannon

December 1st, 2016 at 12:17 PM ^

I don't personally have a problem with shooting a lot of threes. If anything you should probably be trying to take as many decent threes as you can, but it is true that we do take A LOT. Being #2 among high-major teams is notable. So it isn't overstating to say that we take a metric fuckton of them. 

But yeah, most people on here know nothing about basketball.

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UMxWolverines

December 1st, 2016 at 12:18 PM ^

We pass around the perimeter until the shot clock is under 5 all the time. We have no inside threat and we haven't since McGary and JMo split time in 2013 and 2014. Did you play basketball? It was enjoyable to watch us have a point guard like Trey to take it to the rim with the option of dishing it out to Hardaway or Stauskas for a three. But what really allowed us to make that run was the way McGary managed to finally figure it out just in time and we had that third inside option. When we have a point guard who's not good at taking it to the rim, meh outside shooters, and no inside threat this is what we get. A loss at home to a team that will probably finish in the middle to bottom of the ACC just like we will finish in the middle to bottom of the Big Ten even though everyone said "We have so many guys returning this year, of course we're going to be better!"

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ReegsShannon

December 1st, 2016 at 12:22 PM ^

I don't think the offensive style is the issue really. As we've seen from 2012-2014, this offensive style is lethal when you have great players running it. Beilein just hasn't gotten the great players/athletes. Most of it is just a failure to recruit well (failing on Booker, Kennard, Coleman, brunson, thornton, leaf, etc.), and some of it is preference (taking Eli Brooks over Nojel Eastern for example). But I think it comes down to the Jimmys and Joes as opposed to Beilein's style.


We end up jacking up threes because we don't have players who can dribble and slash just based on their natural limiations. So the offensive system has to do everything for them.

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My name ... is Tim

December 1st, 2016 at 12:06 PM ^

As a student who attended all but a handful of home games during the Tommy Amaker era, this crowd looks sizeable compared to that time. Not sure where they concocted those attendance figures if that crowd failed to beat out an Amaker era showing.


Regardless, I am sure it is some combination of football dominating the athletic landscape again and finals. Attendance always dropped around finals time if I recall correctly.

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Lampuki22

December 1st, 2016 at 12:21 PM ^

solve this. Anyone watch the Virginia / OSU game?  Virginia languished in mediocrity in the ACC for decades--from the time Ralph Sampson left until a few years ago. Literally for a whole generation.  

 They don't seem to have compromised the integrity of their great institution and aren't using one and dones yet. However, their program is absolutley firing on all cylinders and it wasn't just 1 or 2 years--its been sustained success.  

This isn't about the fans, the solution is pretty simple it can be reversed in a few years if our AD has the cajones to pull the trigger on the changes that obviously necessary. Or you can have subs, bubbles and empty rafters. .

 

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Ronnie Kaye

December 1st, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^

It's amazing how much lower on Beilein virtually every poster is here compared to Ace. Ace LOVES him still. He undersells every loss and will pounce on any little triumph with a condescending tone. After SMU, he declared Beilein's "reinvention" of the program a success!

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Ronnie Kaye

December 1st, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^

It's amazing how much lower on Beilein virtually every poster is here compared to Ace. Ace LOVES him still. He undersells every loss and will pounce on any little triumph with a condescending tone. After SMU, he declared Beilein's "reinvention" of the program a success!

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Filipiak1

December 1st, 2016 at 12:50 PM ^

I was just talking about this today. Our student section is embarrassing. Even if you fill it up it's not large enough. A VT player was shooting a crucial free throw last night and the crowd factor was non existent! Instead of filling that place with old guys in sweater vests we need passionate, loud, youthful fans and a redesign of the student section! Last night a 1/4 of the student section was VT fans...
There is hardly a home court advantage. College basketball is fun, our home games are not.

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Ronnie Kaye

December 1st, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^

I laughed hard at the line about the old guys in sweater vests. Sooo many old guys in sweater vests. They just sit in their (always lower bowl) seats with their arms crossed looking up at the scoreboard all game. At least they're showing up but they contribute to the insanely lame atmosphere.

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drzoidburg

December 1st, 2016 at 3:40 PM ^

We don't have an AD capable of effecting positive, non direct $$ incentivized change like this. If anything he hasn't proven to muck things up and similarly out of touch as Brandon was. Too bad as long as the football team is winning it's impossible to remove him Getting that place rocking like Breslin *could* lead to better revenue, recruiting and results, but the AD is like any corporate exec and too short sighted to force the old guys to move. Indiana and others across the country have the same problem. Heck, if it wasn't for Amacker (Duke protege) and the postseason ban the students wouldn't even have those measly # of seats

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Steve in PA

December 1st, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^

That's what the funeral home known as The Jordan Center looks like all season at PSU. It's why my wife and I always get tickets at midcourt very cheap for Michigan. Nobody buys tickets to go, they buy them to sell and maybe make a few bucks with the option of watching a game or two.

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uncle leo

December 1st, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^

Agree with this statement. Maybe you guys can speak to it better than I can, but even when they were rolling in 2013 and 2014, and had that great run to be a 4 seed out of the blue, I saw plenty of games were sections were missing (most notably the upper bowl).

I don't know what the policy is, but either open it up or just make those seats damn cheap. 

Win or lose, attendance has ALWAYS seemed to be an issue for this program. 

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Beaublue

December 1st, 2016 at 2:36 PM ^

The Ann Arbor community and the Michigan students/faculty/employees just don't support basketball.   I come over from Detroit just about every game and have for years.  My reward for that support was to have Dave Brandon move me out of good seats for people who don't give a crap about basketball other than to give those tickets to MSU fans for that game.

Basketball attendance has always been mediocre at Michigan from Johnny Orr until the present. 

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gbdub

December 1st, 2016 at 3:04 PM ^

It would be really nice if they'd sell partial season tickets, or X game ticket packages, for students. It's just really tough to make every game, especially on weeknights, and as I student I could never justify the expense because I knew I'd miss half the games. Same with hockey.  

Frankly they need to find some way to incentivize the season ticket holders to show up too, and/or sell more packages and fewer full season tickets. You're never going to fill the house for a crap nonconference game, but at least you can make sure the primo seats don't sit empty.

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drzoidburg

December 1st, 2016 at 3:29 PM ^

Challenge or not, it's still Va Tech, not Duke or NC, and the national tournament keeps getting easier to make, rendering the season less and less meaningful. And yeah, the football controversy is likely on the brain. Foul calls in basketball are far more subjective and people are fed up with refs influencing games right now

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