Way OT--Best 3 album run
Kanye kind of sucks. He had a few catchy tunes for sure, but nothing nearing "the greatest ever". His personality makes him a douche, imo.
Edit - If we're talking hip hop, 2pac is the champ.... Strictly for my *iggaz, 2pacalypse now, Me against the world AND All eyez on me. Kanye can't touch that shit.
2pac isn't even on the same level sonically. He had a great message and all, but his albums are hard to listen to. His beat selection is up there with the worst of all time, and he ws an average rapper.
Kanye's personality isn't for everyone and that's what makes him so profound in my opinion. Saying Kanye sucks it blasphemous; he single handedly changed the direction of hip hop. Taking us from an era of gangsta rap to what we see now: introspective rap. For all the Kanye haters I suggest you give a listen to My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. If that doesn't change your opinion I don't know what to tell you.
He's made some incredibly unique music in his time. I was just stating that Pac had more of an impact on his listeners, lending credibility to the idea that he was great.
2Pac wouldn't even be on my Mt. Rushmore. I have Jay-Z, Eminem, BIG, and Kanye. He probably wouldn't even be 5th with the way Drake's career tragectory is going. But I learned long ago don't argue about 2Pac, it very rarely ends up being about his music.
When I'm looking at Kanye I'm always evaluating him as an artist more so than just a person who rhymes words. Hip Hop music is way more than just what you say over the beat.
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No doubt. Kanye is the most overrated rapper in my opinion. I can think of at least 50 rappers whose music I enjoy more than Kanye. I liked his production on his first few albums, but never cared for his ghostwritten rhymes. He has always been shit on the mic. I don't understand the whole "this guy is a genius" crap. To me he is a second rate RZA/ Dj Premier/Pete Rock. If Kanye changed the game, he changed it for the worst. We wouldn't have a music populated by skinny jean wearing sissies if there was no Kanye. We wouldn't have overproduced garbage with R&b and pop stars on our albums. Early 90's hip hop was so much better, and to say 2 pac had bad taste in beats. LOL. Strictly for my ****** was dark as funk, and the beats showed. Me against the world is one of the best rap albums ever, and the beats on that whole thing are great from easy mo be to Shock G. All Eyez had a little too much filler though.
Well, I was responding to other posts putting him on a hip hop Mt Rushmore, so by that take, I will judge him as a rapper. Sorry, I just can't get into his music. He is not a very good rapper and doesn't even write his own shit. That is usually the equally wack Rhymefest who does most of Kanye's rapper. Who the hell cares if Kanye works with Paul Mccartney. Paul hasn't made anything good in 20 years. I just judge what I hear, and it is not my cup of tea. Like I said, I liked his production on his his first 3 albums and Common's BE album, but his albums are always ruined because his rhymes are wack and his voice is annoying. So I will keep my timbs on happily, you can rock the pink shirts and skinny jeans.
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Kanye put out better albums imo. Graduation and 808s reinvtented the rap game for the better. If he wasn't annoying as fuck, he'd go down as the best.
That is a wack as fuck mt rushmore. I would have none of those guys on mine. KRS, Rakim, Kool G Rap and Grandmaster flash would be on mine. Pac and Biggie get honorable mention. Just the fact that you mention Drake who is a pop star, not a rapper, and if he is a rapper, then wow, what has rap become?? Drake wouldn't even sniff the top 1000. Jay Z' only album I loved was Reasonable doubt. Eminem is a great rapper but his albums never live up to his promise. Biggie had Ready to Die, and had one of the best flows ever, but died to early in his career to call him a GOAt, plus Life after Death was like Pac's all eyez, too much filler.
I'm sorry but early 90's rap is awful. Things don't really hit their stride for me until around Ready to Die and Reasonable Doubt. And to say Drake is a pop star is quite disingenuous when he's recognized as one of the top 5 lyricists rapping today.
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Considering everyone who is over 30+ considers early 90's rap to be the Golden era, I think you are alone in that opinion man. Early 90's had such diversity. You could get Gangstarr,Wu, Tribe, Black Moon on the east coast, Down south was way way better than it is today. UGK, Scarface, 8ball and MJG had some serious funk. Midwest had great albums with Common, hell Esham was dope in the early 90's. Then you had the west coast with some of the best production in Dre, Dj Quick, Above the Law to the Bay with Spice 1, Too Short e-40 to Heiroglyphics. The Baughz is right, your taste in hip hop is trash. To me, 90% of the shit that has come out since 97 is watered down girly music. Once hip hop became mainstream, the music has really suffered. Go listen to Dj Quik's Way to Funky album from 92 and tell me that the Kanye's bs is better. It's laughable. And Drake is totally a pop star, his music perfectly fits the times we are in. The world is just to effeminate for real hip hop.
You are GD right. BDP albums were all dope. Criminal Minded, By all means necessary, Edutainment and Sex and Violence are all in my collection.. KRS is the GOAT in my opinion. The other guys have the sales, but KRS has always dropped heat. His work from 86-96 is vastly underrated.
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I never connected with him enough to say I 'love' his music, but do like his music and have great respect for his many talents (amazing guitar player/arranger/band leader). If I was going to include a run of his albums, I would go with the three albums you listed - all excellent. I would also say his first three records were formidable.
Flip Your Wig to the Hüsker Dü three. All three albums, with ZEN being a double album, came out in a single 14 month period (July 1984-September 1985).
Unless you wanted Everything Falls Apart on there, which is also awesome.
Great list!
Though it's funny i accidentally left it off, because now I'm thinking I might include The Metal Circus EP (came out before Zen Arcade, also an EP so maybe cheating?) over Flip Your Wig... but no reason not to own the whole run of albums. So so so good.
Love Curtis Mayfields stuff!!!
Also could make an argument for a run of Curtis era Impressions Albums:
- This is My Country
- Young Mods Forgotten Story
- Check Out Your Mind
Lucas, I must commend you on your broad musical tastes. Seldom do you come across one who listens to Curtis Mayfield, the Smiths, the Clash and Otis Redding. Some of these artists are new to me...Can???, Wire???...Nick Drake??? You are a true music lover.
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Also early Iron and Wine (Our Endless Numbered Days). And the one solid album of Nick Drake outtakes, 'Time of No Reply' is also well worth it. Sadly a lot of posthumous cash-in Nick Drake releases.
So happy to get this kind of response - thank you!!! For me, you could call music an addiction, but why not just call it what it really is; oxygen.
Of three bands you mentioned that would be new for you - I echo Oregon Wolverine's comments about Nick Drake. Of the three - I recommend starting with him. I can't imagine anyone not loving his music. All three albums are surprisingly diverse, recorded over such a short span of time. 'Five Leaves Left' is my favorite - perfect balance of great songs with just enough added instrumentation to keep the focus on his voice and guitar playing. 'Bryter Layter' has a lot more orchestrations and may be a bit too sugary a listen at first. But once you get over that, it is amazing. 'Pink Moon' is just him and a guitar recorded during his darkest days (and sadly close to the end of his short life). 'Pink Moon' puts the spotlight on his lyrics.
Wire is the maybe the first true 'Post-Punk' band (if you value those kinds of labels). I actually think Pink Flag is the first post-punk record (came out in 1977). Staggering growth over these first three albums. 'Chairs Missing' and '154' are Desert Island Discs for me, but probably not for most.
Can is a German band from the 'Krautrock' era (formed in the late 60's). Brilliant, but could be a challenging listen depending on what kind of music you're into too. If you like electric era Miles Davis (and maybe John Cale era Velvet Underground) you will for sure love them. Also I think funk lovers would dig them too. They are also one of the most name checked bands of all time (Radiohead, LCD Soundsystem, Beck, many more). Can would jam like crazy in the studio and then cut the recordings up to be finley tuned/sequenced songs and albums. Also have my favorite drummer in rock-type music.
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But no arguments from me about anything he released after the 80's. I also love B.i.t.USA.
The Wild... is my favorite Springsteen record actually.
The Rising and Devils and Dust are as good as almost any other back-to-back run -- by anybody -- in the new millennium. They still might not be as good as the '70s stuff, and there isn't a third before or after it to, but an epic pair in my book.
So many great submissions - didn't see a few runs which I think are also worthy:
- Iggy Pop (Went to UofM for a year!) - Kill City/The Idiot/Lust for Life
- The Stooges (Ann Arbor's own) - The Stooges/Fun House/Raw Power
- Marvin Gaye - What's Going On?/Let's Get it On/I Want You
- The Wipers - Is this Real?/Youth of America/Over the Edge
- Beach House - Teen Dream/Bloom/Thank Your Lucky Stars (sorta cheating...)
- Deerhunter - Microcastle/Halcyon Digest/Monomania
- Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk/3 Ep's/If You're Feeling Sinister (also sorta cheating)
- Scott Walker - Scott 3/Scott 4/'Til the Band Comes In
- Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain/Another Green World/Before and After Science
- Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure/Stranded/Country Life
- The Pixies - Surfer Rosa/Doolittle/Bossanova
- Talk Talk - The Colour of Spring/Spirit of Eden/Laughing Stock
- Fela Kuti - Shakara/Gentlemen/Expensive Shit (I continue to cheat unapologitically)
- John Fahey - Requia/Days Have Gone By/Voice of a Turtle
- Miles Davis - Silent Way/Bitches Brew/Jack Johnson (and all of his electric albums)
- Public Enemy - Takes a Nation of Millions/Fear of a Black Planet/Apocalypse '91
- The Ramones - The Ramones/Leave Home/Rocket to Russia
- R.E.M. - Chronic Town/Murmer/Reckoning (but also everything through 'Up')
- Sly/Family Stone - Stand!/There's a Riot Goin On/Fresh!
- Elvis Costello (pt. II) - Get Happy!/Trust/Imperial Bedroom
I fear I may be stuck posting in this forum for the rest of my life. If I'm being honest, I won't be that unhappy if that becomes my fate.
Needs a couple of asterisks on Marvin Gaye. The follow up to What's Going On was actually Trouble Man. In betwern Let's Get It On & I Want You there were actually 2 LP's relaeased, Diana & Marvin and Live. Those 3 were the only standard format albums though, as Trouble Man was a soundtrack that was no standard recording session, the Diana LP he didn't want to do & just laid down a quick vocal track, then the Live album was a live album.
Adding to the list though...
Bob James: One / Two / Three
Stevie Wonder: Music of My Mind / Talking Book / Innervisions.
Donny Hathaway: Everything is Everything / Donny Hathaway / Extension of a Man.
Kool & The Gang: Wild and Peaceful / Light of Worlds / Spirit of the Boogie
Michael Jackson: Off the Wall / Thriller / Bad
Rufus: Rufusized / Rufus featuring Chaka Khan / Ask Rufus
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of his work with Kevin Durant
-People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm
-Low end theory
-Midnight marauders
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