Thank you Kobe
I have tried to look back and find topics on each subject, but the search function doesn't really bring anything up.
...if anything, he's stating his opinion based on equating correlation to causation. Which is wrong. Not only that, I really don't think there is a correlation in the first place.
Also, as a Chicago resident, Patrick Kane most certainly did not get off light in terms of media and public backlash (all races included) when it first came out. He was hammered by the press here for awhile.
Lastly, as many other Chicago residents can tell you, Michael Jordan was no saint, borderline malicious. It's well documented. Yet he's a god here still and he's black.
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April 14th, 2016 at 10:44 AM ^
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April 14th, 2016 at 11:19 AM ^
...you are using tired stereotypes about white people to push your agenda. Not saying there aren't racist asshats (coming from all races) out there. But you are equating correlation to causation, which is wrong. And you are not looking at all the factors that could legitimately explain the correlation. Such as:
1. Popularity/exposure of hockey in general compared to basketball and football. When all else being equal, you are going hear less about hockey than basketball/football.
2. Overall popularity/exposure of football stars are much more compared to hockey stars. This is similar to #1, but its worth highlighting the distinction.
3. Selection bias. I could be wrong, but you seem to have some pre-conceived (and in some cases, unfounded) notions about white people and the perceived (true or not) discrimination of black athletes. Therefore, you tend
to self select these incidents to satiate your agenda. Think about the duke lacrosse case as an example.
I could go on. Just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.
I recommend in these situations that you try to understand the difference between correlation vs causation. Saying that jamis and Kobe are catching more heat simply because of their race is (1) playing into a tired stereotype (I.e. Most white people are racist) and (2) intellectually lazy.
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April 14th, 2016 at 12:11 PM ^
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Comeidian with a new sitcom (Charmichael?) was on the daily show the other day and he had a bit on skill trumping morality. Do you still listen to Michael Jackson? Watch Penn State Football? Listen to Bill Cosby jokes? I listened to Chicken Heart and Billie Jean the other day and they were both fantastic. Basketball is a 2nd tier sport and Kobe was one of many at his skill level. He should not be celebrated.
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It's not second tier.
Your spelling is 2nd rate and your knowledge of the sport is third rate because there are not many at Bryant's skill level.
Not that he ever has to care about what I think, but just not a big fan of Kobe as a person.
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Even aside from the (credible) rape allegations, I don't like Kobe as a player. Among the NBA so-called all-time greats - a nebulous list, admittedly - I can't think of a single one that I wouldn't rather have ahead of Kobe.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:11 AM ^
So is Kobe a rapist? I'm 99.9% sure that is the case.
So while Kobe, the human being is horrible, I don't think it should stop (while it does make it hard when you step back and think about it) me from enjoying Kobe, the basketball player.
I'm pretty sure a lot of us on here are lifelong Pistons fans (including me), which by proxy probably means we are huge fans of Isiah Thomas.
Now, step back and remember that Zeke was sued for sexual harrassment in the workplace and settled out of court. Do we now say screw him?
Athletes get away with everything outside of murder. Is it right, hell no. Do we have to stand for it, nope. But that's the way it is because while on the Internet it may seem like we all feel this way, it's really just an echo chamber and the outside world could not care less.
Scoring 60 on 50 shots at the end of the day isn't good, but that's not the impressive part about last night. For the final quarter of his career, especially the last 4 minutes of it, Kobe took us back to a time during his prime where someone would call you when he was going off, and if possible, you turned that game on. I think that is a fitting way for Kobe, the basketball player, to go out.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:27 AM ^
"Athletes get away with everything outside of murder"
Ray Lewis?
April 14th, 2016 at 10:51 AM ^
Or OJ Simpson lol
April 14th, 2016 at 11:13 AM ^
So it's hard to say how it would impact us as Piston fans since he wasn't playing.
A better example may be Miguel Cabrera.
He got drunk (blew a .26 when the police took him in), got into an argument with his wife later on (why the police got involved), and showed up at Comerica Park the next day with scratches on his face from his "dog". Charges were never filed, but something happened. And as a Tiger fan, this is why we should be pissed: This all happened on the last weekend of the regular season when we blew the division lead and lost in Game 163 at the Twins. His actions not only affected his personal life, but it also affected his team in the most crucial point of the season.
My thing is that if Kobe's wife and Miguel's wife can move past these things, then as fans we should also. So I can appreciate the on field work even though I know Miguel has had issues with alcohol and Kobe likes to give it in the butt.
That is going to follow him the rest of his life unless the woman comes out and says she made it up.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:29 AM ^
April 14th, 2016 at 11:03 AM ^
When Bryant began groping her, the woman said she tried to flee but the athlete barred her way and grabbed her by the neck, Winters said. “She was afraid that he was going to choke her.”
Then, the woman said, Bryant turned her around, pushed her against a chair, pulled down her panties and raped her. She tearfully said “no” twice but was ignored, Winters said. At one point, Bryant “stated that he liked Vail, Colo.,” he said.
Five minutes later, it was over, Winters said, and Bryant made her kiss his genitals. Then he told her to “go clean up.”
Doctor examination and witness accounts support her story. She was in his room 5 minutes. She left with blood on her underwear, Kobe had her blood on his clothes. She had bruises on her neck, tears on her vaginal wall. She immediately told a friend, who told his father. She didn't report the rape until the day after, because she told her mother and her mom insisted. Justice Dept puts the percent of rapes that go unreported at 68%. Author Scott Shapiro has found 2 other woman who claim to be victims of Kobe, but won't come forward because they saw how the Colorado vicitim was treated when she did. The money a civil suit would bring isn't enough to endour the vicitim blaming this girl went through, her life was destroyed. Some put the number of rape convictions per 100 rapes at 2. 2 out of 100. Even if that is inflated, what isn't horrible? 4 of 100? 10 of 100? 50 of 100? Jesus.
Mark Shaw, an attorney and author for ESPN and USA Today:
“Every time I see Kobe Bryant on television playing basketball, I think about how lucky he is... Based on the evidence I knew about… he should be in prison.”
Celebrate this asshole? Nahhh thanks.
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Are you saying she is lying?
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April 14th, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^
April 14th, 2016 at 11:15 AM ^
...are shortcuts to get to the end of a trial.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:33 PM ^