Details on removed football player Logan Tuley-Tillman available
Details are out there on the incident leading to Logan Tuley-Tillman's dismissal from the Michigan Football team. Because the article and details are found only at the Freep, and are somewhat sordid, I'm not providing a link. Suffice to say, there was significant alcohol consumption and impaired judgement by both parties involved. The article is largely factual, and not editorial in comments. Poor decisions were made, with sad consequences for all, and Tuley-Tillman being removed from the team. I hope he turns his life around and learns from this incident. I also hope this is somewhat of a teaching tool for all those currently on the team.
EDIT: Masses have spoken. Here is the article. Someone in the thread below has pasted the whole thing in.
LINK: Ex-Wolverine Logan Tuley-Tillman was too drunk to recall filming sex act
EDIT 2: Apparently much of this information was posted already. In a thread which I missed somehow. I searched for it, but because the thread was deleted, I didn't find it.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:14 PM ^
Read.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
that was visible in the video and LTT copped to that being his watch.
In isolation, this might not appear as serious as when there were less details available, however hearing that there were multiple other girls that allege the same thing sort of implies this is an ongoing problem with him, not one bad decision.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^
October 20th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
If neither can remember, how do we know whose idea it was to film it? Extremely serious question
October 20th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
If he's drunk, neither can he.
Oh wait, yes he can. He's very fortunate she remembered that she consented to sex, but not to it being filmed, even though she can't actually remember either and knows she wouldn't have had sex with him if sober.
Two young people made a mistake. Nobody, including them, knows what happened. I'm not saying that she should be publicly shamed, but it's awful that he will have this hanging above him the rest of her life.
I just hope they both are able to get themselves together, grow up and lead excellent lives.
October 20th, 2015 at 6:08 PM ^
Fuck that.
October 20th, 2015 at 10:08 PM ^
They were both drunk. Therefore neither could consent to anything if we're being fair.
October 20th, 2015 at 4:58 PM ^
Not condoning this and agree he should be gone and don't want to hear about it anymore but aside from the videotaping (which her phone of all things and not his) this is what happens on every campus in America countless times every weekend. Drunk people having consentual sex with people they normally wouldn't.
It would actually be worse to me (on a scale of bad) if he had it on his phone because then you'd think he was distributing it to buddies. Sounds like he put it on her phone and never distributed. The "distribution" was google backing up the video to the cloud.
Maybe he did it without her consent, maybe they were so drunk neither could remember - it sounds like they both blacked out part of the night. Who knows.
Maybe I am not reading it correct and videotaping someone without consent (if that is what happened - both parties seem to not have a clue) is a bad thing but 95% of this night was what happens (again) countless times every weekend on every campus. The only variance was the videotaping.
October 20th, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^
was somebody (allegedly LTT) sending the video from her phone to his phone. She only knew about the videos since her phone backed it up to google or icloud or whatever.
I do wonder why LTT spoke to the police without a lawyer, especially when Minick seemed to recommend he getting one. Don't students get free/ severly reduced legal service?
October 20th, 2015 at 5:10 PM ^
Maybe I missed the part where he sent it from her phone to his. It was on her phone and on her laptop. Forensics could not find it on his phone. They are usually good at finding anything even when it is "deleted". So not sure where the judgement of it went from her phone to his came from? Unless I am missing a paragraph the only distribution I see is when (her) Android phones backup stuff to (her) laptop's google drive.
So we have an allegation about a situation neither one remembers " if she consented to being video - taped" but it was done with her phone. Wouldnt a guy doing it on the down low and behind the girls back use his phone and not hers? Seems strange to me.
They asked to search the phone forensically, and he allowed them to take his phone.
After handing it over, according to the report, he said “he believed he had a significant drinking problem and wished to address it immediately.”
The next day, the woman gave her phone and laptop to police. That same day, U-M coach Jim Harbaugh issued a statement that “Tuley-Tillman has been dismissed from the football team for conduct unacceptable for a Michigan student-athlete.”
The forensic analysis found the videos on the laptop but not Tuley-Tillman’s phone. It geo-coordinated the videos to the location of the Sept. 5 incident.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:20 PM ^
she discovered two videos had been texted from her phone to Tuley-Tillman’s phone"
October 20th, 2015 at 5:22 PM ^
"she discovered two videos had been texted from her phone to Tuley-Tillman’s phone."
Now, I don't know how she knew that the videos were texted from her phone to his or even how anybody could prove who actually sent the text (when both parties were drunk).
October 20th, 2015 at 5:51 PM ^
LTT should have contacted Nick Roumel, aka "counterpunt". Nick has a long history of assiting M athletes with problems. I only wish he could share his stories.
October 20th, 2015 at 4:57 PM ^
Rush to judgement is ugly and frankly was rampant on this blog over this entire episode. The censorship kind of sucked too.
There are real issues here to discuss and differing opinions should be welcome if kept respectful. It was of course inappropriate to have the alledged "victims" name up for review, but many other posts should not have been taken down.
I mean, now supposedly the video wasn't even on his phone? WTF is going on here? Character assassination, that's what. Although perhaps not entirely innocent (who can know?) the outcome for LTT seems unbalanced to say the least.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:09 PM ^
It isn't my place or my intent to judge. Which is why I simply said it was sad, and hope that LTT gets things turned around.
As for whether the post is relevant, my personal feeling is that this is extremely relevant. When Jim Minick had his incident, it was relevant. When details were put out on ESPN about Louisville, it was relevant. Same with Miami several years ago. Same with MSU. Same with OSU. Michigan fans can't just focus on what happens elsewhere and not cover what happens here. Yes, I feel bad for LTT. What he did is done but tons of other people make poor decisions without having something so severe happen. Heck, plenty of Michigan students have done stupid things like this and not been expelled or had anything happen. The consequences are harsh. Perhaps we can have a discussion about what we think Harbaugh should do. But whatever the answer, this is a relevant topic to discuss on a sports blog about Michigan.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:39 PM ^
This is probably now obvious, but I was not referring to you rather activity in previous posts. I am thankful you have brought this up again.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
I poor at reading apparently...she saw the videos were texted to his phone so when they were deleted is kind of irrelevant. Ok, duh. Still...personally I see no crime based on now available information.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:58 PM ^
October 21st, 2015 at 9:39 AM ^
My main question is if they were sent to LTT's phone, why is there no forensic evidence to back that up. I think the double standard here is ridiculous. If they both were drunk then neither had consent according to the rule, not just the woman.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:00 PM ^
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October 20th, 2015 at 5:02 PM ^
No that was Kyle Bosch.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:03 PM ^
This girl ruined his life, or at least his football career at Michigan because they both behaved like drunk fools. He deserved punishment, but he is not a rapist. What he did is wrong, but alcohol, college, etc.
October 20th, 2015 at 6:30 PM ^
Now that we have more details, please do tell: what exactly did he do wrong? What does he deserve punishment for?
Getting drunk? Having consensual sex? If he really wanted to be deceptive and get video, why on Earth would her use HER phone? With all the other background I find it hard to believe she wasn't ok with that at the time too. ((EDIT - This last sentence goes too far; I have no idea about that. Let's just say the context does not allow any of this to rise to criminal behavior.))
It just doesn't add up to the punishment and public thrashing he has endured.
October 20th, 2015 at 5:52 PM ^
October 20th, 2015 at 7:01 PM ^
"He got drunk. He had consensual sex. He recorded it on her phone. He sent it to his device, then, supposedly in the alcohol, thought clearly enough to delete the videos."
Thank you for laying it out. We agree on those facts. We disagree (particuallarly in context) that there is any criminal wrongdoing.
I will add (so you don't think I am "victim-blaming") that she had every right to seek counsel. It is the police that overreacted by pressing silly charges, not her for seeking guidance.
October 20th, 2015 at 8:00 PM ^
I'll leave criminality to others. Can't comment intelligently on that because I don't know the law. But it sure sounds as if non-consensual filming is breaking the law.
But the threshhold for being a member of the Michigan Football Team is not the same as criminality. If Jim Harbaugh determines that a minor, drinking to excess, and doing drugs, and filming sex, and deleting sex, is behavior not to be tolerated on the Michigan football team, isn't that his right and prerogative? When Moeller had incidents as coach many years ago, they weren't criminal, but they were sufficient for him to be removed as coach.
I am uncomfortable with lawyers suggesting he should have hid his behavior. If he broke the law, shouldn't he be held responsible for that? This is another instance of lawyers being motivated not by what is legal, but by the desire to win at all costs.
October 20th, 2015 at 8:11 PM ^
October 20th, 2015 at 9:56 PM ^
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that drinking to excess, and doing illegal drugs, and filming yourself having sex with someone without their clear consent, and then deleting the film to cover your tracks, are things that everyone does? And therefore, if we kicked everyone who did these things off the team, we'd have no team? Are you further saying that the first time you're apprehended doing these things, the punishment, if any, should be different? Is that what you're saying?
October 20th, 2015 at 10:41 PM ^
October 21st, 2015 at 9:37 PM ^
First, I don't agree with your assertion that there are plenty of guys on the team who drink AND do drugs AND film sex without consent AND distribute same AND delete the same to cover tracks. But, there is no point in arguing the point, because we simply don't know.
A simpler test is to boot people off who commit felonies. If filming sex without consent, and distributing it, are a felony, and LTT in fact self-identified himself, then he committed a felony (according to the current law) and Harbaugh has grounds. If the law is wrong, change the law. But so long as it is a felony, that would be grounds.
October 20th, 2015 at 8:56 PM ^
I actually don't have a problem with Harbaugh kicking him off the team. That is his perogative and I trust him to wield it appropriately. There could easily be other things there we do not know.
I do have a problem with law enforcement pressing charges where I see no serious wrongdoing (it seems he 'broke" the weakest of laws within very questionable context) and the tar-and-feather reaction of the masses. As a patriot this is the type of story where you must question authority and tell everyone to chill out with the throw away the key mentality.
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October 20th, 2015 at 7:16 PM ^
You're talking out both sides of you mouth. And you're pretty sanctimonious too.
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October 20th, 2015 at 7:25 PM ^
Stop with the holier than thou hyperbole crap. We don't need your sanctimonious lecture...nobody said what he did is acceptable behavior. There is, however, the need for nuance as there are degrees of misbehavior and conduct. It's not a binary situation, but he has been crucified in the media as if he were of the rapist and pedophile sexual offender class.
He had a lot to lose being the campus "celebrity" and he lost all of it. He did not rape her, they were both drunk, and both engaged in foolish behavior, as she said she would not have had sex had she been sober.
If he published the content to some shame site or spread it to all his buddies then it would be a really screwed up hurtful thing and he would deserve severe punishment. That was apparently not the case here.
But hey, if it makes you feel like a better human being to have internet OUTRAGE!!!, congrats and enjoy.
October 20th, 2015 at 7:33 PM ^
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I am so grateful we have you on this blog to protect the rights of victims and minorities. You are a better human being than all of us and we are so lucky to have you around to remind us about what is right and wrong.
October 20th, 2015 at 9:10 PM ^