Cissoko Dismissed from Team (per HS Coach)
I apologize for the source, but it is what it is . . .
http://freep.com/article/20091027/SPORTS06/91027077/1054/CB-Boubacar-Ci…
October 27th, 2009 at 7:45 PM ^
This is not the only time I've gone out on a limb on here. And this is not the only time I've gone out on a limb in my life, either.
I'm not saying it takes courage to say what I'm saying. I'm saying that I'm not going to just go with the flow because I'm afraid of what any of you will think of me or support him blindly just because he plays for Michigan.
The helmet he wears has no effect on my opinion of him. Many Michigan fans are blinded by the winged helmet.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:32 PM ^
C'mon guys. The real reason Magnus is mad is that he spent the better part of a year with Cissoko as his avatar.
And by the way, I was completely wrong about the kid. Oh well.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:16 PM ^
que the terrell pryor quote about mike vick...
October 27th, 2009 at 7:15 PM ^
I just didn't feel right letting you be the only one getting negged in this thread :)
Every time I watch that clip, I remember why I disliked him so much, and normally I really feel bad for kids who don't fit a system or are shoved out of the way to make room for someone else. But not this time.
I do have a Q though, if he is "dismissed from the team" does that me he can transfer anywhere or does UM still control where he could possibly go?
October 27th, 2009 at 7:09 PM ^
I think Magnus and I both dislike him for the same reason. In the ND game he threw a ND player to the ground after the play was over. He didn't get flagged, but the camera was right on him. He has a bad attitude and doesn't deserve to be on a team where there are people behind him who are willing to put in a lot more effort.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:34 PM ^
If he had gotten flagged nobody would remember this.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:16 PM ^
Carson Butler got flagged. Most remember that.
Greg Matthews didn't get flagged. Most don't seem to remember that.
Your logic is faulty.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:56 PM ^
OK, but since this is a public forum and negative stuff that's posted here could actually impact him now and in the future, it's probably best to lay off the hearsay.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:59 PM ^
"I've never heard anything good about him personally" hardly counts as hearsay. I said nothing specific.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:08 PM ^
LAME. You said you didn't like him as a person or a player and that you hadn't heard anything good about him. It's implied.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:10 PM ^
What's implied? Nothing is implied. I DON'T LIKE HIM. The "implication" is that I don't like him and I never heard anything good about him. I flat-out said what I have to say.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:25 PM ^
I think it's fair when you say you don't like him because he was a bad football player and you never heard anything good about him that you were implying that you heard hearsay about him that was bad regarding his personal character. Most people won't have personal animosity towards someone simply because they struggled on the football field.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:26 PM ^
You're being an ass, and frankly, you're too intelligent to sit there and pretend like you're notbdoing what all these other posters are speaking of. A kid just blew a tremendous opportunity, and that's an unequivocably bad thing. Perhaps, rather than piling on, you could show some human decency, and, if you have something bad tobaay about someone you don't know, you keep it to yourself.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:30 PM ^
What am I pretending that I'm not doing?
1. He got in trouble with the police.
2. He got suspended from the team.
3. He got kicked off the team.
4. When he had a half-decent play, he waved his arms like he just won a national championship.
5. When he tackled Michael Floyd, he pushed him back down to the ground.
All of this was public knowledge. It was either reported in the newspapers or it was seen on national TV. That list of five things right there is plenty to base my decision on.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:12 PM ^
No, you inferred.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:24 PM ^
I inferred that from an assumption that Magnus wouldn't randomly dislike someone as a person unless he been given reason to. I thought that was reasonable.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:33 PM ^
I don't have reason to? Do I need to list all the public things he's done?
1. Got in trouble with police on Belle Isle.
2. Shoved Michael Floyd
3. Got kicked off the team.
4. Got suspended from the team.
5. Waved his arms whenever he did something half-decent.
Those are my reasons.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:54 PM ^
#2 doesn't apply. It is football and people get shoved all the time. That doesn't make him a bad person.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:57 PM ^
It's not a quality I like to see in Michigan football players.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:58 PM ^
Personally I don't think 2 and 5 are a big deal and if your reaction to this news is "I didn't like him anyway" 3 is circular. But you can, of course, like or dislike someone for any reason you want. I was just defending my interpretation of what you said.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:11 PM ^
Obviously Boubacar has screwed up repeatedly (though I don't think minor pushing and shoving or being excited during a football game are things to be overly critical of, but that is just a difference of opinion). He then got a second chance and failed to take advantage of it. He is now being hit with some pretty big consequences and will almost certainly regret these actions for the rest of his life (once he gets some perspective and realizes the opportunity he has given up). When a 20 year old kid screws up his life, you taking that opportunity to remind everyone how much you dislike him (based almost exclusively on the fact that he disappointed you on the football field) is petty and mean-spirited. When you've never met or interacted with the kid, it makes even less sense. I know plenty of people who had to talk with the police in college and missed lots of classes, myself included, and none of them faced the consequences that Boubacar will have to endure (much less having to do it in the public eye).
Any Michigan fan and anyone with a shred of humanity should be pulling for the kid to get his life back in order rather than piling on because he was only good at returning kicks.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:22 PM ^
now we're saying he's screwed up his life? really? he screwed up his opportunity at UM. i'm sure he'll get a scholly somewhere else. perhaps this is what he needed. a good kick in the shorts to straighten out his attitude. it could turn out to be a good thing in the long run. but it's up to him.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:23 PM ^
My Michigan fanhood has nothing to do with it. That's the point. If this kid played for Miami or OSU or PSU or Oregon or USC or Texas or Grand Valley State, I wouldn't like his actions.
He hasn't disappointed me on the football field that much, because I said since he was recruited that I didn't think he would be a good cornerback. I never expected much from him, so I'm not that disappointed.
It is not easy to get kicked off of a major college football team. It doesn't take a giant intellectual leap to conclude that this kid was making bad decisions on AND off the field.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:11 PM ^
Quite a change of opinion. Didn't you recently have a picture of Cissoko in your avatar?
October 27th, 2009 at 7:12 PM ^
Yes. I had a picture of him returning a kick, which he was really good at.
I changed the avatar immediately after the Notre Dame game this year when he acted like he did.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:22 PM ^
This is funny to me. The only reason the above post is getting negged is because I've committed the cardinal sin of saying something negative about a Michigan player.
Carry on.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:28 PM ^
I think it's at least partially your presentation/tone (and you know that), but like you said, you're "not a follower" and say what you think and it doesn't matter, so people can (and will) disagree.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:32 PM ^
You're getting negged not because you said something negative about a Michigan player, but because you are making a conclusion about the character of a person you have never met before.
Its one thing to say he was a bad football player, which you may have evidence for. Its quite another to say he is a bad person.
But perhaps even more astonishing is that we are all most likely in our mid 20's and up and don't understand that a 20 year old kid is still a kid and will make bad decisions from time to time.
Magnus I hope you never missed a class when you were 20, or you never let an obligation slip. I find your entire tirade against him to be utterly hypocritical and short sighted.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:38 PM ^
Have you met Michael Jackson? Have you met Charles Manson? Have you met Kellen Winslow? Moreover, have you met Mother Theresa or Barack Obama or Princess Diana? But you've made judgments about their character, yes? Okay.
I'm not saying I never missed a class. I did. And if Boubacar Cissoko got kicked off a major college football team that's in dire need of cornerbacks for missing ONE CLASS, then I'll eat my Mike Hart jersey. Getting "dismissed from the team" implies that there was more than one bad decision.
Yeah. Kids make mistakes. They all do. We all did. That doesn't mean we need to like every one of them.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:47 PM ^
No I have never met Michael Jackson. He was also found innocent of all wrong doing by a jury of his peers. Charles Manson was found guilty of murder by a jury of his peers by a preponderance of evidence. Havent met Kellen Winslow either.
Barack Obama could be the biggest douche ever behind closed doors and I wouldn't know.
So comparing Cissoko to a convicted murderer is your ploy now? Wow.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:52 PM ^
I also mentioned Princess Diana and Mother Theresa. But you didn't latch onto that part, did you?
And actually, I'm not comparing him to anyone. I'm comparing the idea of "character." You have made many decisions on people's character without knowing them. You're not above the fray.
All of my reasons for disliking Cissoko were a) reported by the news or b) broadcast on national TV. If you want to attack the truthfulness of the newspapers, that's one thing...but until you do, I'm going to believe that he got detained by police on Belle Isle and that he got kicked off the team. Those are both negative things, in my opinion.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:03 PM ^
Views can become skewed when all you hear about someone is negative. He got detained by the police, he isnt a good corner, he pushed a guy on national tv, etc. My assertion is that you dont know what he is like as a person. You just "know" what the news and bloggers decide to report on and stress.
I am not in anyway condoning his actions. He made terrible decisions at times. However, developmentally speaking he is still a late adolescent and not an adult with a firm grasp of character or who he is.
Its one thing to call Manson a bad person because he is an adult and killed people. Again Obama and Princess Diana are/were adults who can be more consistent in their behavior because they are at a stage developmentally that allows them to be so.
I think we need to agree that, yes, Cissoko made terrible decisions lately. But since we do not know him personally and have no idea what is going on his life we cannot make an accurate determination of his character yet. Is this reasonable?
October 27th, 2009 at 8:10 PM ^
It is somewhat reasonable, and I appreciate your ability to conduct yourself rationally, unlike some others.
However, if THAT is reasonable, then isn't it also reasonable to suggest that ANY judgment of an adolescent/young adult - whether it's positive or negative - is premature? For example, let's assume that Cissoko isn't fully developed and, therefore, I shouldn't judge him based on the negative things he's done. Logically, wouldn't that also mean that I can't say that I "like" 20-year-old Joe Schmoe, who builds houses for the homeless and works at a soup kitchen on the weekends?
October 27th, 2009 at 8:30 PM ^
I believe that any concrete judgment of an adolescent's character is premature due to the fact that they are not in a place developmentally to be consistent in their behavior.
Positive behavior such as working at a soup kitchen and building houses for the homeless need to be recognized and used as positive reinforcement. Bad behavior needs to have consequences like being dismissed from the team.
However, just because a kid is out building houses on the weekend and feeding the poor at a soup kitchen does not mean he will not turn out to be a convicted felon later in life. Conversely, Cissoko could end up being a champion for under privileged youth when he matures. We just dont know. Thats why in my opinion all judgments of character and personal value should be held until that person is an adult and can developmentally be consistent in his or her behavior.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:35 PM ^
So, we shouldn't judge on what someone might do in the future?
October 27th, 2009 at 7:48 PM ^
Magnus, we are a kindred spirit! You and I say what we think and don't care what other people say or think about it. So, since that's true, my questions to you are these: You've given your no nonsense opinions, so why are you still here arguing with people about them? Why do you care about the backlash or worry about the points (especially when you have over 4,000(!) - but I'll catch you soon enough!)?
October 27th, 2009 at 7:55 PM ^
I don't care about the points. I just think the mentality of MGoPosters is humorous sometimes.
Also, I would just like people to see their hypocrisy. If this were some kid from OSU or MSU, we'd all be laughing at him. But since the kid is from Michigan, people get offended that someone would ever *GASP* not like a kid in a winged helmet. I'm trying to offer some perspective, and perhaps my comments will convince someone out there.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:00 PM ^
You're not getting negged because you don't like someone that played for Michigan. I didn't like Ryan Mallett when he was here. You're getting negged because you are being a dick. I have only negged you a couple uber-dickish times.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:04 PM ^
I'm saying I didn't like him and I'm giving reasons. But the fact that I voiced my opinion makes people think I'm being a dick about it.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:23 PM ^
You saying you don't like him is fine and dandy. How you're saying it is why some people are negging you.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:25 PM ^
There's really no "nice" way of saying you don't like someone. You just kind of...you know...say it. And it helps if you have reasons, which I presented. Everything else has been a response to what other people have said.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:04 PM ^
ding-ding-ding! We have a winner. No one likes an asshole.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:58 PM ^
Charles Manson == Boubacar Cissoko? Yeah I can see the comparison.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:01 PM ^
If you interpret that I'm saying they're equal, then I also said Mother Theresa == Boubacar Cissoko. But you didn't latch onto that part, did you?
As I explained above, the point is this: we all make judgment on character about people we don't know, whether it's good or bad.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:24 PM ^
Charles Manson == Mother Theresa?
October 27th, 2009 at 7:12 PM ^
I didn't like Magnus as a poster (except as...uh...um...I can't think of any exceptions), and I haven't heard anything good about him personally.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:17 PM ^
That's fair.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:05 PM ^
That's pretty shitty coming from a guy who touts himself as a champion of inner-city youth
October 27th, 2009 at 7:13 PM ^
Yeah, I'd like to see kids like Boubacar get a second chance; it's cruel to think that, against all odds, he made from West Africa through Detroit all the way to the University of Michigan only to have that stripped away because he couldn't keep his attitude in check during a rough patch. I give the benefit of the doubt on character to kids who have been through the stuff that he has. Even if that means he pushes a kid who's talking trash in his face on the football field--I'm not going to say he's a bad person.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:19 PM ^
What "stuff" has he been through? This is an honest question. I don't know of anything that he's gone through that would warrant feeling sorry for him.