OT: Dorial Green-Beckham Is A Sooner
No Mizzou would be listed as his college. Josh Gordon's college is listed as Baylor although Utah was the last school he attended.
If he dosent get his trasfer waiver I doubt that he will voluntailry leave school and declare for the 15 draft. I don't remember anyone who transferred to a school to practice for a season and then voluntarily left for the draft before playing a down.
Hopefully he turns his life around. Everyone deserves a second chance.
I am pretty sure he is on chance number 3 or 4.
Wouldn't his second chance be after the first drug charge? A third chance after the second drug charge and this being his fourth chance.
It is cases like this that make me laugh at the term student/athlete. What college would allow a non athlete admission to their school given his criminal history. Maybe DGB is aiming to star in a new version of the Longest Yard.
What college would allow a non athlete admission to their school given his criminal history.
I think the answer is many. Some schools don't even ask about criminal history. As far as I know he has a trespassing conviction related to possessing a small amout of pot. That would disqualify him from admission at a handful of schools. The remainder of his criminal history is two arrests without any charges filed. That would certainly prompt many schools to deny admission, but in my opinion there are quite a few that would accept a regular student, but back away from a high-profile scholarship athlete.
What chance is Wil Hagerup on? Oh wait, I forgot, that only applies when we are taking about kids who play for other teams.
I had to explain to my nine year old what marijuana was because Hagerup manages to get himself suspended before every big game.
I wouldn't bring up Gibbons, because it seems that once the school/team found out what really happened, he stopped playing. Same with Stonum, he was given one second chance, and when he couldn't handle it, he was gone. None of those other guys are multiple offenders, so far as I know. And you really shouldn't put Campbell on there. If he wasn't 300lb that wouldn't have even been a thing.
about Aaron Hernandez.
There's a point where they have to be held accountable so they learn what life is really like.
This is exactly right. Even though "giving someone a second chance" sounds like the right thing to do, in many cases that's the worst thing you can do for someone. When the second chance is given in place of punishment, as is the case here (in the event he gets a waiver), he might not learn anything from it. If you really care about the young man, you'll take something away from him so he learns that his actions have real consequences. Right now DGB may have the attitude "who cares if I screw up again because someone will want me" and who could blame him? That's probably the attitude I'd have if I were him.
If you really care about DGB as a person, you'll hope he is forced to sit out this next year. He can watch college football happen from the sidelines and he'll see that breaking the rules has repurcussions. If he stays on the straight and narrow, he'll still have the opportunity to play football at Oklahoma or the NFL the following year. And that will be his second chance.
I don't think that they will be applying for a waiver. His home state is Missouri. Instead of moving closer to home, he is moving farther from home.
That's only one reason to apply for a waiver, so although they won't be applying for that waiver, they will still absolutely be applying for one on different grounds. You can claim that his previous team won't allow him to play this fall so he shouldn't have to sit out. This is fucking stupid, but it has worked before with a kid who was kicked off LSU's basketball team, IIRC.
Sometimes people deserve punishment, not second chances. I certainly wouldn't be happy about this if I had a kid going to Oklahoma. Odds are this guy's going to be committing another crime or two while there, some other student, somebody's kid, is going to be the victim, all because Stoops wants to win an extra game with a criminal.
Disturbed that someone could downvote that, protecting criminals at the expense of innocents, good thinking anonymous guy.
His punishment is having to live in Oklahoma!
This kid has exactly one incident in his past that is actually disturbing (the forced entry), and as much as we can speculate terrible and awful things about that, no one here has any real idea of what really happened. It was probably bad, he probably should have faced legal consequences, but for a variety of reasons he didn't.
Other than that, he was arrested twice on possession of marijuana charges. Big. Fucking. Deal.
He faced legal and personal consequences from the pot incidents, and personal consequences from the violent one (again, I'm not arguing that he didn't get off a little light on that one), and yet I hear you all shout down to me from way up on your high horses that this kid is some sort of horrendous criminal who's never faced a consequence in his life. Seriously, someone above actually compared this situation to AARON FUCKING HERNANDEZ and got commended for it!
Get some perspective people. This kid had a horrific childhood, and suddenly became a major celebrity at the age of 16. Gary Pinkel actually flew a helicopter to his high school on a recruiting visit. Of course he's got entitlement issues, every single person in the world would if they were put in the same position.
DGB is a tremendously talented individual, and there's no reason to think that he can't grow to be a tremendous person as well. I wish him nothing but the best, both on the football field and off of it.
First of all, I completely agree he shouldn't be compared to Aaron Hernandez. And I'm not even sure if that's what the poster was doing or saying, as much as "sometimes when people get second chances in place of punishment you get poor results" more than comparing their actions.
Anyhow, his actions were pretty bad. Sure, weed by itself is not bad. I like it, kind of a lot. But when you have multiple weed-related offenses to go along with "alleged" violent behavior, that's a bigger problem. Such a problem, in fact, that the men closest to him felt he shouldn't be affiliated with their football program, even though he was the star. So although we don't know all of the facts, the people that know it best said "we don't want anyone like that associated with us." That's a strong statement.
So I'm not saying the guy needs to get thrown in jail or anything, but he is in need of some corrective action. It seemed he was getting that when he was booted from Mizzou's team, but if he gets the waiver to play immediately at OU, I don't think that's sufficient.
I think it's a fine line between making a direct comparison and using a hyperbolic example. You don't get to invoke Hitler every time a government oversteps its authority, and you don't get to invoke Aaron Hernandez every time an athlete has character issues. Doing so drastically lowers the level of discourse and pulls the conversation immediately toward the extremes, and away from the gray area where all the stuff that matters is.
That said, I don't really think we have super different feelings on this particular case. Maybe I'm a bit more bleeding heart, but I don't think by a whole lot. I just really did not like the tone that this thread was taking, it seemed to be a lot of angry people pushing each other to say angrier and angrier things, and straying very far from the matter at hand.
I like to think that this turn of events will be good for him, regardless of whether he has to sit out a year (and I think he probably will). He came to Mizzou as a symbol of newfound football greatness, their first true blue-chip recruit in the Gary Pinkel era. He will enter OU as a troubled transfer with nothing guaranteed and a lot still to prove. I hope that he adjusts well to being the low man on the totem pole for the first time in quite a while, and if he does I fully expect him to grow into a better adult and learn from his past mistakes.
exactly what I meant. All I meant was, considering his past, it may be better for him if he has to suffer a little instead of going to another school and playing immediately. As someone pointed out, this was severe enough that Missouri told him to go away. I think he needs to get his head together before he plays. That's for his own good.
I don't equate him with a possible mass murderer. Give me a break.
1. IIRC, he dodged a major bullet when one of the pot incidents didn't include an 'intent to distribute' charge
2. Can you imagine how nuclear ESPN and the like would have went if it was Urban Meyer giving him the chance instead of Big Game Bob?
Hagerup has never been arrested. It's all been violation of team rules which leads me to believe that it's weed or he has a drinking problem.
I always hate threads like this where people form strong opinions over guys we've never met. Remember when everyone said that Lewan started a fight with an innocent OSU fan when in fact the OSU fan was taunting everyone with a megaphone and Lewan entered in the fight only after his brother got attacked.
Consider the fact that the signing was announced at the very end of a big holiday weekend -- the media dead-zone, when far fewer people are paying attention to news reports. I doubt this was a coincidence. They just tried to sneak it past in order to limit backlash.