Ty Isaac - brief update
Per Sam Webb on the Recruiting Round-up on WTKA (use iHeartRadio), and didn't see any update in the Isaac thread from last night. Webb says absolutely Isaac is interested in Michigan. He gained his release to 17 schools, one of which is Michigan (and includes several other unnamed B1G schools), and none of which are Notre Dame or Ohio State.
His guess is that M will talk to him and see if this interest is genuine, and if something happens it will happen quickly. There is too much risk to Michigan with Harris and Weber to have an extended courtship with Isaac as he debates a lot of schools, and then lose him. They already know he can play, given how close he was to coming here last time (obviously the coaches liked him then, presumably still do now). Said Michigan will say "lets' talk turkey", if you want in come on, otherwise they won't linger. He said Isaac was second on the depth chart at USC as he left.
Also for any that missed the update on the Mykhailiuk thread - Webb says probably not happening, don't bother learning his name.
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I was very skeptical of him coming here, with the current young depth we already have. Here is the general question for the board...do you want Isaac or a 2015 RB in Harris or Weber if it came down to that?
If the coaches still believe he's as good as they thought a year ago, he was the #1 guy on their board. If he wants to come you take him. You explain to Harris and Weber and see what happens, and tell them there's only one spot left. You don't like them any less, you just had a guy come back to the fold.
If "we didn't take a RB in the last class" was a big part of the recruiting pitch for both, this would hurt. But if you take Isaac you have a 5* on the roster in September (I believe, haven't heard officially if he will be a hardship), vs. potentially none if you turn him away and lose out on Harris and Weber. So the plan makes sense - if you want to come, come now. Otherwise they won't let a courtship with Isaac get too public.
I'd take Isaac because if he wants to come we at least get one top flight back. And he's a somewhat proven commoddity at the college level. I think the odds of landing either Harris or Weber are slim, so take whoever wants to be here when the opportunity arrises. I'd still push for whatever 2015 back we can get though. Love 'em or hate 'em I'm a fan of Alabama's take all the backs you can approach.
I'm not sure how much value Isaac adds to Green, Smith, etc. We have limited scholarships and bigger needs at other positions.
Harris is nearly an Adrian Peterson type talent. Weber is solid too. I'm not big on football transfers.
I'm not saying I don't want him to play here, just saying...
I'm not big on guys who transfer for playing time purposes, but that doesn't appear to be the case with Isaac.
Here's my scouting report on Ty Isaac from before he chose USC:
http://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2012/03/scouting-report-ty-isaac.html
It's not really either/or. Isaac might be eligible to play in 2014. So I would rather have him because he could play or at least compete with Green and Smith.
There is no guarantee on Weber or Harris. Some of the comments make it sound like we get to choose among all 3. You take whomever is interested in you from a generally like minded level of recruits ... Weber was ignored by UM for a long time and now we are back trying to get him due to Harris decommitting. Harris could be in Alabama in 12 months for all we know. If Isaac wants to come you take him - bird in hand. Or you could be left scrambling for some 3 star if Weber and Harris both go elsewhere.
I would take Harris over Isaac but not Webber.
There is no sure thing that UM gets either one of those guys. If he wants to come, you have to take him. Also, I don't think Harris would be scared to compete with any back. If he is THAT good, he will beat them out.
ty, is better . harris take a hike. . we got ty. done deal
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With Smith and Green in the fold, he'll either have to be open to switching positions (WR possibly?) or redshirting to get a year's separation. If he's not up for either, I can't seem him coming to Michigan.
If he was really second on the depth chart, not sure playing time is really the issue here. He might actually be just trying to move closer to home.
That said, everybody wants to play and he'd be no exception. He'd have to sit a year anyway, yeah?
they grant him that hardship exception.
He would have some position flexibility and probably be good at many positions, but I think he wants to play RB and I don't blame him, still has pretty good upside there.
If his mom has fallen sick though, a redshirt may be a good option for him. Get him used to his new surroundings, school, playbook, and everything else, as well as gaining a year or separation. But I'm guessing he doesn't want to take that approach.
The redshirt is a given since he has to sit out a year due to transfer rules. So he'd enter 2015 as a redshirt sophomore and Green/Smith would be true juniors.
And I don't see anyway he switches positions. Its not like we're super deep at RB, and there's no guarantee Smith or Green will be any better or worse. Bring in all the RBs you can and let 'em sort it out on the field.
The scuttlebutt is no year off. Will play in 2014.
Why would he redshirt if he's better than Green or Smith (assuming he gets a waiver to play in 2014)?
Brian was right, no way does USC allow him to tranfer to ND
I feel kind of “meh” about the possibility of Isaac transferring in. It could be a positive I guess.
RB depth is a good thing to have, especially when you have good RBs but I feel that there are bigger issues to tackle with this roster then padding the RB depth. That’s why I would like the coaches taking a fly-by approach and getting the deal done if he’s interested or wishing him luck if he wanted to take his time.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/900784/highlights/38273413
I didn't watch the entire thing, but from what I did see it's easily the least impressive bunch of highlights of a 5-star that I've ever seen. He doesn't look particularly quick or powerful or fast, and frequently goes down at first contact. He just looks bigger than most of the guys he's playing against.
Granted, he's had a year of S&C at a major program, and he might be vastly more impressive now. For his sake I hope he is.
And I think they were looking at using him as a short yardage back at USC as well.
I don't think he has the footwork to be a great man-blocking type back, but as a one cut type RB, he gets up to speed quickly and has great burst and speed in a straight line. If he's stronger through the legs now, as his build implies, then he'll be tough to bring down if he gets to the second level pretty cleanly.
I thought coming out of high school that he may have more upside as a WR (better feet in space then in closed areas, great straight line speed, can cut one direction). He's grown a bit, so that may be an H-back/WR hybrid, but it seems he wants to stay at RB. He is athletic enough to be good at either though as long as he keeps working on churning the legs and sinking his hips through contact.
Found video of two TD runs against Cal (1:50 and 2:25)
37-yard touchdown run? Do not want.
I have always been partial to tall tailbacks (think Erik Dickerson) with good weight. He fits both of those.
The run at 2:25 would look very nice in Maize and Blue.
It would seem to just add more competition at tailback if he chose the Wolverines.
First TD run, not so impressive.
Second TD run, pretty damn impressive.
Wait guyz... I was told 18 months ago with the 2012/2013 OL hauls we could plug just about any old back in at RB and he'd be rushing for 1000 a year easy in 2015-2016. #MANBALL????
It also appears that maybe that tweet got deleted.(?)
Exactly. After the whole Roll Damn Tide debacle we should question everyone.
Brady Hoke himself has more possibility of being wrong about recruiting than Sam Webb.
As long as Shaun Crawford doesn't visit. That would be a real downer.
Hasn't there been a new rumor about that once a month since he committed though? None of the rumored visits ever happened.
Link to the recruiting roundup podcast.
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