In-State WR recruting: Carr vs. Washington vs. Stewart
Michigan has offered all 3. They are all tall, rangy WRs with good size. We currently lead for Stewart. Has anyone seen any of the 3 live, or scoured through their videos and formed an opinion of who you would rather have at Michigan (IYO, who is the best of the trio).
February 18th, 2019 at 12:51 PM ^
I hope we take Rashawn Williams and that’s it for in-state WRs. Better options elsewhere (AJ Henning, Traeshon Holden, etc.).
February 18th, 2019 at 1:29 PM ^
Agreed. A WR class of Williams, Henning, Holden, and Branham would be excellent. The in-state players are not bad, but I don't think they have the speed to blow the top off a defense.
Stewart is ranked as an athlete and could play safety also
February 18th, 2019 at 1:43 PM ^
Yep! Probably put Martinez in there too, although he can move around.
February 18th, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^
I know he's listed as a WR but Branham moves more like a RB based on his hudl highlights. Also I'm not sure taking three more guys 6 feet and under after last years haul that had 4 midgets (Jackson, Kent, Sainristil, Johnson) is exactly the way to go here. Michigan needs size badly at WR and they need to add guys solidly inside the top 247 if not the top 100. Lloyd Carr recruited QB and WR much better than Harbaugh has which is really surprising.
February 18th, 2019 at 2:46 PM ^
Collins, Black, DPJ, and Cornelius Johnson all say hello. At least two of those three will still be on the roster in 2020.
Rashawn Williams is 6'1 and is 156th in the composite. Traeshon Holden is 6'3 and is 130th on 247.
The last Biletnikoff Award winner to be taller than 6'1 was Calvin Johnson in 2006. At least 4 of the winners since then have been squarely under 6 feet.
I know you're just a troll, so this information is really for everyone else here, but at least make your bad takes somewhat hard to refute.
February 18th, 2019 at 3:07 PM ^
My "take" has been clear from the outset, outside of the DPJ/Collins/Black/Martin class (which was exceptional) WR recruiting has been average to downright bad.
Nate Johnson (gone)
Ahmir Mitchell (gone)
Eddie McDoom (gone)
Kekoa Crawford (gone)
Kent #958 overall
G Johnson #876 overall
Sainristil #595 overall
I think Giles Jackson and C Johnson have a chance to be players, but that's two guys and that's not nearly enough.
February 18th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^
Sainristil is gonna be a superstar, book that.
February 18th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^
"Outside of this $50 million I have in the bank, I am actually pretty poor."
Ronnie Bell was obviously way underrated and the staff evaluated him. I'd think it's safe to say that the staff's evaluation of a few three stars from the latest class will well outperform the rankings as well.
WR recruiting has only been "bad" if you ignore:
1. The many top 200 recruits we have signed, and
2. The recruits who were not top 200 types that the staff clearly evaluated better than the recruiting services.
I know that there's no world in which you'll be pleased with what the staff does, but the WR position is really in a great place, regardless of your attempts to troll it.
February 18th, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^
Since we're on the topic of underrated 2018 recruits, what're your thoughts on Haskins, BVS, and Barrett switching positions so far? I thought Haskins had a ton of potential at RB, so I was a bit surprised to see him at LB full time, any thoughts?
February 18th, 2019 at 7:08 PM ^
Haskins is back at RB. When Jay Harbaugh posted the RB highlights from last year he mentioned how Haskins wasn’t in the video but was going to turn heads next year.
February 18th, 2019 at 5:19 PM ^
Harbaugh has been here four years and he's signed one good WR class, all of whom could be gone in a year, then what? And I'd love to know exactly what the hell Ronnie Bell has done to be talked about like he's Calvin fucking Johnson and how exactly you can claim the staff has evaluated better than the recruiting services. Look at the depth chart on offense it's literally filled with the highest ranked guys they've signed at every position.
February 18th, 2019 at 6:50 PM ^
You're bitching that a true freshman isn't yet performing at Calvin Johnson's level?
February 18th, 2019 at 8:37 PM ^
That's his M.O.
February 19th, 2019 at 1:54 AM ^
No, but reading comprehension is hard I guess.
February 19th, 2019 at 10:18 AM ^
"Ronnie Bell was obviously way underrated and the staff evaluated him."—Toboggan
"And I'd love to know exactly what the hell Ronnie Bell has done to be talked about like he's Calvin fucking Johnson."—Hei2man
Nobody compared Bell to Calvin Johnson. Except you. If you want to carp about reading comprehension, look in the fucking mirror first.
February 19th, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^
Looks like you can't read either, but keep dropping f bombs if it makes you feel better.
February 19th, 2019 at 11:52 AM ^
Ring my Beeeeeeeeeelll, ring my Bell! Ronnie, Ronnie Bell!
February 19th, 2019 at 1:00 PM ^
To repeat: nobody tried to compare Ronnie Bell to Calvin Johnson, except you. The reading comprehension issue is yours, and yours alone.
Although it's clear that's far from the only issue you have.
February 19th, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^
Runyan?
McKeon?
Turner?
February 18th, 2019 at 4:20 PM ^
I'm with you. We had one aberrational class at WR, and the rest has been thoroughly meh. The same could be said of RB recruiting under Harbaugh. Hopefully, Charbonnet breaks that trend.
February 18th, 2019 at 5:26 PM ^
Charbonnet is going to be a beast but it's slim pickings behind him.
Kareem Walker (gone)
Kingston Davis (gone)
Omaury Samuels (gone)
Michael Barrett (changed positions)
Chris Evans (miscast as a RB and kicked off the team)
Turner and Haskins (too early to tell but both had recruiting profiles that don't suggest big production)
In year 5 our two deep is going to be a freshman and a walkon, but trust the coaches guys. Look out Bama!
February 18th, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
Wow. Kids have left the program.
Earth shattering development that some kids get beat out by others and decide to look for opportunity elsewhere. Only at Michigan.
I gotta find another school.
February 18th, 2019 at 3:35 PM ^
Maizen conveniently forgot to dispute your facts on the WR height. The dude has nothing better to do. I would say he is a rival fan just trolling us but he spends way too much time looking up our recruits.
February 18th, 2019 at 6:58 PM ^
Branham is not a small guy, met him at a game last year. Dude is solid, not worried about him in the least, I feel like he will walk in ready to play.
February 19th, 2019 at 2:01 PM ^
Branham was 6'1" as a sophomore and could still be growing...
February 18th, 2019 at 1:54 PM ^
What about Fleming?
February 18th, 2019 at 1:57 PM ^
Fleming just eliminated us
February 18th, 2019 at 3:51 PM ^
Elimination by Phlegming? That's quite the bad loogie.
February 18th, 2019 at 8:42 PM ^
There might be better options elsewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean we can land them.
February 18th, 2019 at 1:00 PM ^
Don't think any of them are all that special. Carr is a TE prospect anyways.
February 18th, 2019 at 3:18 PM ^
But we need to step up in state recruiting, don't we?
February 18th, 2019 at 5:30 PM ^
Yes we do, unless you think it's ok that guys like Devontae Dobbs, Logan Brown, Lance Dixon, Julian Barnett, etc. leave the state every year. Don't mistake that for needing to take in-state guys just because they are in-state. The difference should be self explanatory.
February 18th, 2019 at 9:14 PM ^
You’re so bent out of shape all the time it’s hilarious. And sad.
February 19th, 2019 at 1:55 AM ^
What's sad is getting our ass kicked by Ohio State for the better part of the last 20 years.
February 19th, 2019 at 1:26 PM ^
without question, yes. More Michigan kids, less Massachusetts kids.
February 18th, 2019 at 1:27 PM ^
Earnest Sanders is also a S/WR who is trending upwards in state. I think he is bouncing between basketball and football though and Michigan has not offered. But Sam Webb outlined him as a possible player that could blow up with a good offseason/senior season. His dad (Earnest Sanders Sr.) also played for Michigan.
February 18th, 2019 at 1:36 PM ^
Does Cam Martinez from Muskegon play WR? I hope we can land him.
February 18th, 2019 at 1:52 PM ^
expect Martinez to play S
February 18th, 2019 at 10:33 PM ^
He plays QB in HS.
February 18th, 2019 at 1:57 PM ^
I'll throw this out there - Carr's Dad is an assistant coach with the Missouri basketball team. He's probably not going to end up playing basketball exclusively at the next level, but he does have an interest in playing both football and basketball.
February 18th, 2019 at 3:26 PM ^
Lmao I love your football recruiting tidbits. I know you're a hoops guy, and a great one at that, but it's like seeing a former teacher at a bar.
February 18th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
Carr by far has biggest upside imo. Don’t sleep on Stewart. Tremendous athlete that hasn’t showcased it running full house T as the QB. Kid from King is very good but better clean up other stuff
February 18th, 2019 at 4:55 PM ^
The WR recruiting may be meh (excepting the DPJ, Black class) but the coaching has been truly lacking.
2016: Fisch, but he also had the QB's.
2017: Nobody (!?)
2018: McElwain passing through from Gainesville to Mt. Pleasant.
Maybe McDoom and Crawford would have failed anyway but it seems we didn't give them much of a chance.
February 18th, 2019 at 6:47 PM ^
February 18th, 2019 at 7:12 PM ^
To be fair the QB situation he had as a sophomore was atrocious and he had multiple TDs called back to penalties. Crawford was on track to be a solid Big 10 reciever. (played sparingly behind upperclassmen as a freshman but really should have redshirted, year 2 started and showed some promise) Fans were really upset at how the offense performed and made Crawford into one of the scapegoats.
February 18th, 2019 at 7:29 PM ^
I felt the same way. He had all the measurables, but he never seemed to come down with the ball. Some guys just can't make plays in traffic.
February 18th, 2019 at 8:45 PM ^
Stewart looks to me like an OLB/SS.
I like Carr, but he's more of a flex TE type. I think of him like I think of Devin Funchess. Good, big-bodied guy, but not someone who should be a primary target on the outside.
Personally, I think Earnest Sanders might be the #1 receiver in the state.
February 18th, 2019 at 9:05 PM ^
As someone qualified to speak on basketball evaluations.....Sanders should focus primarily on football. He’s a superb athlete with tons of quick twitch explosion, but he has very little skill.
Dont know what his hands are like, but if he can catch there’s no doubt in my mind he has the tools to be a very good outside WR with his combo of size/athleticism
February 19th, 2019 at 11:42 AM ^
I can see that. I did watch some of his basketball highlights, and there's a lot of explosiveness (like you said) but there isn't much ball handling, passing, shooting, etc. It's dunks and blocks. And when you're 6'2" or 6'3" with power forward skills, you're probably better off pursuing another sport.
Like I said, I think he has the potential in football to be pretty dynamic, because his body is going to fill out. He could be a WR, S, or OLB at the next level.
February 18th, 2019 at 9:39 PM ^
Washington is not a take IMO, I actually don’t think he has a commitable offer. Kid is not able to dominate the competition in his conference and there are some bad teams in the valley. We need to look elsewhere