LabattsBleu

December 20th, 2018 at 11:50 AM ^

Way too many people care about a kid making a decision for his future...

If Higdon wants to pass on a meaningless bowl game, in his opinion, then that's up to him, as a graduating senior, i have zero issue with this...

Seeing Jake Butt drop 3 rounds because he played in a meaningless bowl game changed my opinion on this: Kids have every right to take a pass when there's nothing to gain by playing

 

Michigan4Life

December 20th, 2018 at 12:40 PM ^

I would say that nearly every of his teammate would support his decision because they know about trying to get to the NFL. 

Senior Bowl isn't meaningless because it affects your draft stock. Declining it would hurt his stock and he has chance to improve his draft prospect status as opposed to a bowl game where it doesn't affect his stock. 

demardorsey

December 20th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^

Higdon was never that good. I thought it was a joke when he thought about declaring last year. He just looked good because we had nobody decent to beat him out. ZC is going to make everyone forget about Higdon. I’m glad he’s sitting out. Get more reps for the younger guys. Good luck to Higdon. Great kid but just don’t see him being anything in the league. 

Go Blue!!

go50blue

December 20th, 2018 at 12:37 PM ^

Living in Atlanta, I was really excited to get a chance to see the team play. However, had I known how many key players were going to sit out the game, I probably wouldn't have spent the money on tickets...

User -not THAT user

December 22nd, 2018 at 7:03 AM ^

I am holding out hope that by the morning of the game tickets will be Stub-Hubbed for significantly less than face value.

I’ve waited all of my life to see Michigan play here, but I’m damned if I can find the enthusiasm to show up for the game when so many of the players that I would pay to see can’t be bothered to.

M-Dog

December 20th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^

I'm not overly upset by this because at the end of the day, there are still only a small handful of guys that can pull it off.

If you've put enough on film to be able to skip these meaningless games (like Bush or Gary has), then you've done some great things for your team.  You don't need to show any more.

There are not a lot of guys like that.    

Don

December 20th, 2018 at 1:00 PM ^

This phenomenon of not playing in bowl games is not going away—to the contrary, it will only intensify in frequency and extent.

Which in turn is going to pose a big marketing challenge to a large percentage of the non-elite bowl games, and to the schools playing in them that have to sell tickets. If many of the best players are sitting out, what is the incentive for fans to attend?

It won't stop with bowl games, though—we'll inevitably start seeing players refuse to play body-bag games early in the season, or late season games if their team has no chance at any kind of title or conference championship.

I think what all this means is that the rotten, hypocritical nature of big-time college football is being exposed, and the whole edifice of sham amateurism will eventually fall apart. Either the NFL will have to set up a meaningful minor league, or fan support for the current system will continue to wane, and eventually you will see minor programs being disbanded.

Hotel Putingrad

December 20th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^

Agreed. Like someone (can't remember who exactly) alluded to in the front page discussion, there's a "sweet spot" for this issue in terms of teams with mega NFL prospects playing in a shitty bowl against an uninspiring opponent.

In true BPONE fashion, Michigan knocked that trifecta out of the friggin' park this year!

StephenRKass

December 20th, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^

I am 100% fine with this. It is Higdon's decision, not ours. We are upset because our entertainment value is affected, and because this lessens the probability that "our team" wins. He is making a wise business decision for the good of his future earnings, and for his family. The whole idea of "student athlete" is really a joke, in my mind. Not completely a joke, but largely. These guys are incredible athletes, and they are in a sense "selling" themselves based on that ability. If they scored 2400 on the SAT's, they'd probably get a full ride for that. If they had incredible musical ability, or artistic talent, they could get a full ride for that. But in many, many ways, athletic endeavors, while fine and worthwhile, are questionable as part of the core mission of a university. Discussions on race are fraught with danger, but really need to be part of the discussion. So many of these kids are black, and many of them are from settings of poverty and school systems that have very few people head to college. I am delighted and happy they have the opportunity to attend UofM. I am less delighted that they are taken advantage of for our entertainment, and that they are largely segregated from the general student population and general mix of classes. (I started in chemistry and chemical engineering, and ended up with a degree in philosophy. In 4 plus years, I don't know that i ever had a single football or basketball or hockey player in any of my classes. Of course it happens, and my experience isn't predictive of the whole. Still. I strongly suspect that most of the guys on those three teams are highly segregated from the general student population in the very courses they take, and the academic expectations. I talked to one prof who said it was significantly worse for basketball players than football players. I digress.) TL;DR. I'll just say I support Higdon in not playing in the bowl. Oh, and one final comment. Anyone commenting on Higdon having a daughter is really taking a cheap and judgemental shot, and showing their cultural ignorance and elitism.

Mongo

December 20th, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^

Congrats to Karan on a great career at Michigan.  But now it is time to buy that baby some new shoes !  

God speed to you and your family.  Go Blue !!!

BuckeyeRealist13

December 20th, 2018 at 2:09 PM ^

That's unfortunate, especially when you see first round DT Dre'Mont Jones, #1 or 2 overall QB Haskins, and another similarly graded rb in Mike Weber all playing in their bowl game. Will be fun to see Evans as the feature back though. I just really hope Florida doesn't back door their way to a win over Michigan. 

HHW

December 20th, 2018 at 2:25 PM ^

Bowls will be gone within the next decade. 16 or 32 team playoff, where all the games mean something will replace them.  If you don't make the playoffs you're done.

BuckeyeRealist13

December 20th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^

HHW - I don't want to come across as an asshole, but have you watched the players reactions after winning/losing the early bowl games? It's clear those games still matter. They may not matter to teams who were one win away from the playoffs like Michigan or Ohio State, but to the majority of teams, these bowl games still matter. At least from judging from their reactions to winning/losing these games. 

HHW

December 20th, 2018 at 5:03 PM ^

You aren’t coming off that way. I don’t disagree with you.  I’m just saying they are likely going away. Most teams lose money when they go to one of those bowls and money is always the deciding factor.  The players’ reaction after winning the Toilet Bowl isn’t making anyone money.  My guess is football will break into more levels. Today’s power 5 will compete against each other, then the group of 5, then FCS and so on and so on.

Change is coming soon. 

LSAClassOf2000

December 20th, 2018 at 3:43 PM ^

There's enough of Higdon on film to satisfy the scouts, I would think. Besides, he has a family and that has to change the calculus for him when it comes to projected draft position (that is to say, it becomes secondary). That's my guess, at least. Best of luck to him. 

chatster

December 20th, 2018 at 6:40 PM ^

Karan Higdon arrived at Michigan as a relatively unheralded player except for that one-time MGoBlog poster who promoted Karan and who predicted that Karan would be a pleasant surprise.  Karan left his mark on the Wolverines football program and enjoyed a couple of very good seasons.

It would be sad if this incident damaged his reputation as a captain and leader of this team, but that’s the risk he has taken. There's as much risk of suffering a serious injury in a bowl game as there would be in a Senior Bowl practice or a Senior Bowl game.

Regardless of when this new “tradition” started or which player started it, unfortunately, it appears that the days have ended when ALL players who are healthy enough to play in a bowl game will play in that bowl game.  There might not be anything that will fix it, but I’ll offer a suggestion.

Change the name of the Senior Bowl to the NFL Draft Combine Bowl.  Play it at an indoor stadium the week after the Super Bowl (two weeks before the NFL Draft Combine).  Pay the players and offer a financial incentive for players on the winning team.  Give Mobile, Alabama’s Ladd-Peebles Stadium an alternate bowl game to compensate for the loss of the Senior Bowl.

Coaching staffs come from the two teams that lost the NFL’s conference championship games. Practices start two weeks before the game to allow coaches and scouts from all NFL teams to have more time to observe the players. Take 60 players for each team.

Only NFL-draft-eligible players who’ve played in their team’s final game of the season (bowl game or otherwise), unless their absence from that game is due to injury or illness, are eligible to be “drafted” by the NFL to play in the NFL Draft Combine Bowl.  Players who are "drafted" for this game get a jump on their "job interviews" for an NFL career, two weeks ahead of all the other players who've been invited to NFL Draft the Combine.

 

M-Dog

December 20th, 2018 at 8:22 PM ^

Maybe football shouldn't have so many career ending injuries?

This is a discussion unique to college football.

In college basketball, nobody is sitting out the meaningless NIT out of fear of a career ending injury.  The worst thing they are worried about injuring is merely their pride.   

 

gobluesasquatch

December 21st, 2018 at 12:34 AM ^

I have absolutely no problem with a student athlete making the decision to leave school early to pursue a professional career, when their season is over. At that point, they have fulfilled their commitment to their team, and their scholarship ends. 

But I do think it is a signficant issue when these student athletes decide that a game on the schedule, that their teammates are playing in is not worth playing in as they get ready to prepare for the NFL draft. Notice, most of these players are healthy and are NOT citing risk of injury as a reason to not participate. That is because serious injuries that drop the draft status of players in a bowl game are very, very rare. Now, I know that some of you will immediately provide a few examples, and that will go along with the old phrase, "the exception that proves the rule". You remember a few exceptions, but forget the overwhelming number of student athletes who make it through the game without any serious injury and go on to get drafted. 

This is about early preparation for their NFL careers, or hopeful NFL careers. Unfortunately, their teammates, the guys who have blocked, caught passes, made tackles for, thrown balls to, whatever, will be out their competing without them. For many seniors, this will be their last game, EVER. So while for a limited few it is just a worthless game, for the majority, this matters. And that is a terrible way to be a teammate and friend. 

Even more important, THIS IS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE CANNOT WIN AGAINST SUPERIOR PROGRAMS. If you haven't competed at a high level, nor served as a head coach at any level, you won't get this. But at some points, players play for each other. They motivate each other. They sacrifice for each other. Individuals playing for individual goals don't win in team sports. That is reality. Look at the programs where players are are choosing to leave their teams prior to the bowl game. You don't see it with the playoff teams. You don't see it usually with playoff contenders, or consistent conference champions. If a player from one of those schools do happen to leave, it is more of the exception than the rule. For some reason, at Michigan, this program has a me first attitude. Players are more concerned about their draft status than representing their university, and more importantly, playing for their teammates, their friends, and maybe even their coaching staff who has helped developed and prepare them. 

An honest assessment needs to be done with the consistent winning programs in FBS, and those that are pretenders, which right now, Michigan is. We haven't won a conference title outright since 2003. We haven't played in a conference championship game yet. We haven't beaten Ohio State since 2011, and that was with Luke Fickel, and overmatched interim coach. Tressel and Meyer were 16-1 against us. The team, the team, the team means nothing to this program, and that might be a reflection of our current coaching staff, the athletes they choose to recruit, or both. But if a select few continue to leave their team early to prepare for themselves, then perhaps, when things get tough, throughout the spring, the summer, and during the fall, individuals look out for themselves, and that might be why Ohio State, Michigan State, and Notre Dame have held the advantage on us for a decade or longer.  

mrawatson

December 22nd, 2018 at 10:42 AM ^

I said this on 11 Warriors regarding Bosa and I'll say it here: if you are on the team you play. Otherwise you are off the team. Period. You support your teammates. You don't quit on them. 

Bo said: "We want the Big Ten championship and we're gonna win it as a Team. They can throw out all those great backs, and great quarterbacks, and great defensive players, throughout the country and in this conference, but there's gonna be one Team that's gonna play solely as a Team. No man is more important than The Team. No coach is more important than The Team. The Team, The Team, The Team, and if we think that way, all of us, everything that you do, you take into consideration what effect does it have on my Team? Because you can go into professional football, you can go anywhere you want to play after you leave here. You will never play for a Team again. You'll play for a contract. You'll play for this. You'll play for that. You'll play for everything except the team, and think what a great thing it is to be a part of something that is, The Team. We're gonna win it. We're gonna win the championship again because we're gonna play as team, better than anybody else in this conference, we're gonna play together as a team. We're gonna believe in each other, we're not gonna criticize each other, we're not gonna talk about each other, we're gonna encourage each other. And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."

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