Michigan Basketball Attendance

Submitted by Cmknepfl on December 3rd, 2018 at 12:10 PM

I frequently hear UM MBB ridiculed for having low attendance.  Trolls ask why fans wont support the program that is actually winning?  I live on the west side of the state so weeknight games and weather during basketball season are all valid concerns.  All that being said I was at Purdue game Saturday and there were lots of empty seats the upper sections at the ends of the arena were virtually empty and there were lots of empty seats everywhere in the lower bowl.  So we could ask why this is, but I think its more complicated than that.  

When I search for tickets on the secondary market there are very few tickets available in the lower bowl.  The tickets that are available are very expensive.  And not just I am cheap and think its too expensive, as in even the site of choice rates them as not a good deal.  So is this a matter of season ticket holders who just don't go to games and also don't sell their tickets?  If so there's nothing the rest of the fan base can do about that.....

 

I can see not making it to your seats on a Tuesday, or it not being worth the trouble to sell them, but if you aren't going to a Saturday BIG opener why aren't you selling or giving those away?

 

Am I missing something?

skurnie

December 3rd, 2018 at 1:48 PM ^

Yeah I know it sounds crazy but $800 a bit much for us on an afternoon out with the family (wife, daughter + one of her friends).

It's the craziest thing to me...why are there so many cheap upper bowl tickets and so many extraordinarily expensive lower bowl tickets for every game? 

spiff

December 3rd, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^

I think the OP's point is the seeming disconnect between observed attendance and the ticket price on the secondary sites, not how much of a football/basketball school we are.

I agree 100%. The cheapest lower bowl seat on Stub Hub right now is $60. That is a joke considering the number of empty seats there will be for that game. 

 

 

footballguy

December 3rd, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^

I always hate when people bring up attendance, or question your fandom of you don't go to games.

I prefer watching games at home. I may go to a FB or Basketball game once a year, but I genuinely enjoy the TV viewing experience. Not to mention it doesn't eat up my whole day.

 

bringthewood

December 3rd, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^

I had upper bowl season tickets last year. I had to pay a PSD and went to every game.

There were huge swaths of lower bowl tickets unused for virtually every game.

So rather than renew I cancelled my season tickets.

There has to be a way to monitor ticket usage, or move fans into those seats 10 minutes after the game starts. It was so frustrating to pay quite a bit of money watching the good seats go unused for much of the season. 

bringthewood

December 3rd, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^

Kind of funny actually. I am a season football ticket holder for 27 years and a modest athletic donor - about 200 priority points. Football sends out a few surveys each year to season ticket holders - basketball? Crickets. It feels that they are not even trying with basketball - no surveys, no email about dropping season tickets, nothing. 

I started going to basketball games as a kid when Rudy T was playing and love basketball, I live in Ann Arbor now, but I felt so taken for granted with basketball. They can call all day long asking for donations but no one can call to ask why I cancelled my basketball tickets to try to get me to renew? I would have renewed if they had showed any interest in my satisfaction whatsoever.

It takes very little money or effort to show you value your ticket holders.

DGM06

December 3rd, 2018 at 1:06 PM ^

It’s really unfortunate that ticket holders who have no intention of going to games don’t sell/donate the tickets to someone who absolutely would go. Until the ticket office starts tracking attendance and penalizing those who never show up (probably never gonna happen), this is just what it will be. 

It’s not a lack of demand though. For reference, these are the next two home games for big ten teams in Michigan, one of which absolutely is a basketball school:

https://www.vividseats.com/ncaab/michigan-wolverines-tickets/wolverines-12-8-2817187.html

https://www.vividseats.com/ncaab/michigan-state-spartans-tickets/spartans-12-3-2817496.html

 

Gatekeeper

December 3rd, 2018 at 1:18 PM ^

Dang! Another thread on this? We just talked about this yesterday

 

Build a parking garage next to Crisler. Connect it to Crisler, so people don't have to walk a mile to the Arena/Center in the winter weather

Charge a low fee or no fee to people who have tickets to the game

Make general admission tickets, so people can pay and get good seats. Too many season ticket holders renew every year and then don't go to games. Pretty much the entire lower bowl is season ticket holders. Those seats are sold, but not filled. The ushers won't let people move down at halftime either or at any other time.

 

Lower the price of seats. Michigan doesn't need the money. $35 for an upper bowl ticket in the corner? That just isn't market value and not worth the hassle.

 

Check the thread yesterday for more talking points.

jimmyjoeharbaugh

December 3rd, 2018 at 1:26 PM ^

i looked at tickets for the saturday game on stubhub on saturday afternoon and the cheapest was $44. 

i am happy michigan is an elite team but it's just a little saturday afternoon game. Being over $100 for 2 people after tickets, fees, food, parking just felt like too much

just one data point. if others willing to pay, then great. 

wayneandgarth

December 3rd, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^

I've never lived in Michigan, but the impression I get from national reporting is that everyone has moved out of Detroit and on out.  So there must be no one left, besides students, to attend games. 

nerv

December 3rd, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^

I know my GF was looking for tickets to take us to a bball game this year and was having a really hard time finding actual tickets for sale. The ones we were finding seemed to have quite inflated prices likely due to the lack of other options. 

LAmichigan

December 3rd, 2018 at 2:53 PM ^

You would be surprised how many football seats remain empty.  Often no one notices because everyone in the football bench seating just spreads out more and uses the extra room.  You can't spread out at Crisler Center to mask the empty seats.  When a seat is empty, it's empty.

shoes

December 3rd, 2018 at 4:56 PM ^

I have been a basketball season ticket holder since Amaker's last season. . I have had 2 lower bowl season tickets for the past 8 seasons. I live 100 miles away and go to about half of the home games. I have had zero problems selling the other tickets on stub hub, even the exhibition this season. The pricing information there makes it easy. I usually just look at the cheapest pair in mine or an equivalent section and offer mine for $2 less. They always sell. It really isn't difficult. I don't know why so many people are willing to eat their unused tickets. I wish they didn't.

Still the crowds have been great in terms of enthusiasm and I was surprised at how well attended the game was the day after Thanksgiving. It looked to be 80 percent full to me against a non- descript opponent. A lot of kids that day.

Saludo a los v…

December 3rd, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^

When I was a student the team sucked, Crisler was a dumpy place to see a game, and the student section location was also garbage. Those are no longer issues thankfully. One thing that has not changed is that Crisler is not a convenient location for most students to attend games, especially when the games are in the middle of the week.

Going to a game meant walking to the bus stop and taking the bus down and then back after the game. When it is winter, cold and dark, I am sure many students do not want to bother trying to make a tip off in the middle of week when they have to study or do any number of other things with their time. All of the games are on TV which further decreases the motivation to deal with the pain of going to the game.

Ultimately I think a huge part of the problem was the siting of Crisler by the football stadium. At other schools the arena is in a more central location which increases the likelihood of students going to the game. Also there is virtually nothing around the Arena in terms of food or bars.

The AD probably would have been better off building an arena with fewer seats in a different location rather than renovating Crisler, but Ann Arbor being what it is I do not know if that would have been feasible.

It is depressing when the team is playing so well that there are still a bunch of empty seats. College basketball is the most fun sport to attend live in my opinion. I probably would have gone to way more games during school if not for the location of Crisler combined with not wanting to see an Amaker team dribble for 30 seconds before taking another awful shot.

ppudge

December 3rd, 2018 at 5:11 PM ^

The Purdue game had some empty seats (although the upper sections did fill in as the game went on), but by the same token, I was pleasantly surprised that the Wednesday night game against UNC - a 9:30 tip, mind you - was packed and the crowd was as loud as I can ever remember Crisler, and I was a freshmen back when the Fab 5 came in and we had some decent crowds back then (although still had empty seats, even then for a lot of games).