Dr. Explosion

May 16th, 2013 at 12:26 PM ^

As someone that lives out of state and cannot go to more than one game a year, it really irks me to hear people complain about their MICHIGAN FOOTBALL SEASON TICKETS.

Geez people.

Belisarius

May 16th, 2013 at 12:42 PM ^

It is a "product," it's what we're paying for. And you CAN pay to go them all, you just have to pay for transit. I come from Pennsylvania to do just that. Is it worth it? For you, apparently not. Maybe that's because it's so expensive.
Parenthetically, nobody cares about what you would do in an alternate universe where you could go to all the games. It is not relevant to the issue.

Parenthetically, some of us may equally be worried about the fact that the team has to wade through a killers row of a shcedule every other year rather than simply having a balanced schedule every year, which would probably be better for the team, aside from being more enjoyable to the fans.

Farnn

May 16th, 2013 at 12:28 PM ^

Brandon should reach out to IU and pay them to switch the locations of their MSU/UM games around so that UM/MSU can do the same.  I think it would work better for both teams.  Right now MSu gets ND, OSU and Michigan on the road all in the same year.  Their fans probably won't care though because just messing with MIchigan by getting 2 home games in a row is like Christmas to them.

Section 1

May 17th, 2013 at 12:58 AM ^

How is it acceptable, to Michigan or Michigan State, to be saddled with this schedule?  We are both apparently stuck with each other and with OSU as away games or home games, depending on the schedule.  Why wouldn't it be a no-brainer to switch up with MSU?  Do Spartan fans want a home season without UM and OSU?

This has something to do with PSU being in the mix, but for the life of me I don't understand it, and I despise it.  Let's just go back to a ten-team conference.

Perkis-Size Me

May 16th, 2013 at 12:31 PM ^

I feel sorry for 2014 senior students. The best home game on that schedule is a sanctioned PSU team. Notre Dame, MSU, OSU, and Northwestern all away in the same year? Wow, that sucks major balls. But on the flip side, every other year we get both MSU, OSU, and Northwestern at home.

I'd much rather have them alternate, but what can you do?

strick23

May 16th, 2013 at 12:33 PM ^

should hand ND a letter before kickoff of the 2013 UTL game stating that Michigan is opting out of the final game at ND in 2014...  Then go schedule a home and home vs a team that will make the 2014 home schedule look more attractive for ticket holders!

ChalmersE

May 16th, 2013 at 2:00 PM ^

I was just going to post that.  As things stand, ND's getting an extra home game anyway. I bet with enough money in front of someone, they'd be happy to cancel a game to get a home and home with Michigan. And, even if they had to settle for a MAC or a Mountain West team, it still improves the home schedule.

San Diego Mick

May 16th, 2013 at 12:33 PM ^

Why didn't our AD make a big stink about forcing us to play at sparty 2 years in a row, it woulda been easy to switch one of the other home games, pisses me off that the home schedule is so uneven going forward between seasons.

markusr2007

May 16th, 2013 at 12:40 PM ^

Losing Nebraska and Iowa for Maryland and Rutgers. Ugh!

The best football team Michigan will play at home in 2014 will probably be Utah or Appalachian State.

go16blue

May 16th, 2013 at 12:41 PM ^

Gotta have MSU & OSU home games on alternating years, in my opinion. Those are almost guaranteed to be the biggest conference games we play every year, with these new divisions. Hopefully we can start playing big name OOC opponents at home in years we play away to those two, and vice versa.

WolverineHistorian

May 16th, 2013 at 12:42 PM ^

Is this a joke? You can't travel to a rival's stadium 2 years in a row in football. We go to MSU in odd numbered years and to OSU in even numbered years. There have been years where we have played at Minneosta and Iowa 2 years in row, but they're not rivals. No, no, no. This has to be fixed.

tommya14

May 16th, 2013 at 12:43 PM ^

Do we know msu won't be playing at MIchigan in back to back years?  May have to wait to see a few future schedules to see how this plays out.

RedGreene

May 16th, 2013 at 12:44 PM ^

Playing at the dump in east lansing two years in a row fucking sucks.  I would like to think that we're so much better than msu that home field advantage won't matter, but we just aren't there yet.  

dahblue

May 16th, 2013 at 12:51 PM ^

And Brandon was complaining about attendance at home games?  Think anyone is going to care about showing up early for IU, Maryland or Minnesota?

DISCUSS Man

May 16th, 2013 at 1:01 PM ^

Also another hit to the home schedule: back to back road games at northwestern. 

NW is a legit team now and last year showed it. 

The only logical thing I can think of for the games at state is there will be two straight home games against them in 2015 and 2016. And then it will reset in 2017 with the regular odd away and even home format. B1G series have quietly done that.

Minnesota in 2002-2005. But this is a rival team that isn't exactly one that we kick around. 

Once again, fuck you B1G. 

Dutch Ferbert

May 16th, 2013 at 1:04 PM ^

Honoring nothing and building meaningless footprints.

Michigan should always play MSU and OSU home games on alternating years. This makes no sense and is a big F you to M fans.

I am so happy that we lose Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. on a regular basis to play MD and Rutgers every year and to not see MSU or OSU at home every other year.

At this point, let's just join the fucking ACC with ND.

 

dahblue

May 16th, 2013 at 1:18 PM ^

Is this like "Leaders & Legends"?  If we complain enough, will they re-do it and makes jokes about how they knew it was crappy?

LSAClassOf2000

May 16th, 2013 at 1:19 PM ^

The Big Ten's press release is here, and it contains some information on the formula going forward. It certainly doesn't excuse the 2014 home slate, but it helps to explain it, at least in part. 

(LINK)

It seems like 2014 and 2015 are essentially being considered transitional years between the addition of Maryland and Rutgers and the run-up to the 2016 start of the nine-game conference schedule. The essential formula is that a given team will play the other six teams in their division plus two from the other for 2014 and 2015, and then that will expand to three teams from the opposite division in 2016. I believe that confirms what we suspected anyway. 

Here's where you can find everyone's schedule - (LINK). As for our 2014 home slate, Indiana on the day after Halloween somehow makes me think of Charlie Brown saying, "I got a rock."

Wolverine 73

May 16th, 2013 at 1:24 PM ^

Maybe Brandon was thinking of 2015.  Mature offensive and defensive lines, senior linebackers Ross and Bolden leading the defense, a rebuilt, mature secondary (with Dymonte and Peppers (!) hopefully), Shane Morris in his second year (assuming a redshirt), Green at RB, Harris at WR, PLUS a stacked home schedule EQUALS a good shot at going 12-0 or 11-1 and being in the playoffs?  Nah, probably just happened.

cutter

May 16th, 2013 at 9:00 PM ^

I think you have to keep in mind that scheduling is done years out and that the most David Brandon really controls is the non-conference slate.

As we witnessed with Notre Dame, these relationships can be cancelled or changed.  It happens all the time in college football.  

The games with Utah, Oregon State and Colorado were clearly put in there in response to what was going to be a Big Ten/Pac 12 scheduling alliance.  While that didn't happen, those games are still in place and we'll still see them played.

Now I'm sure Brandon had a voice in keeping Ohio State in the Eastern Division and making sure that game was at the end of the season.  But IRT Michigan State, I imagine the conference opted to have them in the East because they didn't want UM's conference schedule restricted by the necessity of a permanent cross-divisional game.

I'm really not going to sweat the back to back games in East Lansing because those types of arrangements happen all the time in the scheduling world.  Besides, it appears that UM's cycle of Eastern Division teams for the foreseeable future is as follows:

2014/6/8/20

Home:  Penn State, Indiana, Maryland

Road:  at Ohio State, at Michigan State, at Rutgers

2015/7/9/21

Home:  Ohio State, Michigan State, Rutgers

Road:  at Penn State, at Indiana, at Maryland

By 2016, Michigan will play either Nebraska or Wisconsin on what is likely to be a two year on, two year off arrangement.  The other five teams from the west (Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Iowa, Purdue) will be put in a rotation so that they each have at least one game with Michigan over a two-year period.

If you couple that Nebraska/Wisconsin game with the major home and homes coming up (Arkansas, Virginia Tech), then the 2018 through 2021 seasons will be something like this:

2018 (5 Home B1G Games)

Home:  Penn State, Indiana, Maryland, Arkansas

Away:  at Ohio State, at Michigan State, at Rutgers, at Nebraska/Wisconsin

2019 (4 Home B1G Games)

Home:  Ohio State, Michigan State, Rutgers, Nebraska/Wisconsin

Away:  at Penn State, at Indiana, at Maryland, at Arkansas

Replace Arkansas with Virginia Tech for 2020/1 and you get the idea.  I think what Brandon wanted to do here (in cooperation with the Big Ten) is to have a balanced schedule home/away for the higher end teams on the schedule.  I suspect he didn't want another situation like he does now where he had Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State all on the road or all at home.

If I were a UM fan, I'd just write off 2014/5 as transitional years in the scheduling and look forward to 2016 (when Nebraska or Wisconsin get on the schedule) and 2018 (when the major non-conference home and home games start kicking in).  

What David Brandon has to do is get a quality non-conference opponent in place for the 2022 seasons and beyond.  Programs like Texas, LSU, Miami-FL, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Tennessee could be candidates for future games because they don't have an instate non-conference rival (such as Florida-Florida State or Clemson-South Carolina) and they might be persuaded to leave familiar ground and come up north.

He also has to make sure the buy-in game opponents are varied and interesting.  I have to give him credit for getting Brigham Young, Oregon State and Colorado in here with no return date required.  Add UNLV and Hawaii to that list and you can see he's trying to expand those no return date games to programs outside the usual MAC teams like Miami OH, Bowling Green, the directional Michigan schools, Toledo, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

Buck Killer

May 16th, 2013 at 1:32 PM ^

This is total bullshit! This conference is a fucking prison. Pedo U is still here and we play away with Sparty. Fuck that shit! Sorry mom for cursing. As the great Bobby Knight once said, "take your mother fucking stupid fucking show and fucking shove it up your fucking mother fucking ass."