Why all the ND hatred?
A serious question: Why all the ND hatred on the board? A number of other threads talk gleefully of ND getting killed in the championship game by 'bama or some other SEC team, or losing to USC this week. Frankly, I just don't get it.
Yes, they are a rival (at least, for now, while we still play them yearly), but I think the rivalry with ND is different than the OSU and MSU ones. The OSU one is hate + respect; the MSU one is hate + no respect; the ND rivalary, in my opinion, has less hate involved, just two of the most tradition-laden programs in the country playing against one another, often in classic games. Why there is so much enmity in some of the other threads on the board is a puzzle to me.
Beyond that, do people really prefer to see some damn team from the SEC win the title again? I'd *much* rather have a team from the midwest win. Even though ND isn't in the Big Ten, they are much more like a Big Ten team, and finally getting everyone to shut up about how great the SEC is would be fantastic.
Finally, one thing I've seen repeatedly is commentary about how lucky ND has been. Does anyone think there has been a college football champion without luck? If you look back at any undefeated season, there are inevitably a number of plays, which, if they go the wrong way, get you a loss. ND has had a few such plays (Pitt kicker misses in OT, Stanford reaches for goal line but is deemed down), but got the break. Alabama, in contrast, got some breaks against LSU (a game in which they were outplayed), but didn't against A&M, leading to a loss. So sure, they've been lucky, but all undefeated teams get lucky now and then.
Summary for those who think TL and then DR: ND hatred is puzzling; they are a rival of the best kind; I'll be rooting for them against any damn SEC team; sure they are lucky but which unbeaten isn't?
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[EDIT: my michigan bio, since it seems to be relevant, as follows. Grew up in Ann Arbor, went to school in Fab Five era, was at many famous UM/ND games including sitting in the rain only to watch Rocket return two kickoffs for TDs. Have published a few diaries here in the past over the years, including a heartbreaking diary of staggering genius, one in which I hate everything, and a piece entitled memories of the game about OSU/UM.]
November 18th, 2012 at 8:00 AM ^
For me, the hate started when ND thought they were too good to join the B1G. They make all their money from their undeserving, fat NBC contract and stuck their noses up at us. I feel the same way Bo feels about them. "To hell with Notre Dame."
November 18th, 2012 at 8:42 AM ^
November 18th, 2012 at 9:43 AM ^
taking slights to your school and conference personally is what contemporary fandom is all about. Not that that's so healthy, but professing suprise at it is disingenuous.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:22 AM ^
Except for the part when ND desperately wanted into the BIG10 and you guys told us no. If you don't think feelings were irreparably after that little exchange then please go read up on your history.
November 18th, 2012 at 1:18 PM ^
And yet you continued to play teams in the B1G. Suppose cash outweighs butt hurt.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:01 AM ^
The games against Pitt and Stanford were not just luck. They were botched calls by referees. And obvious calls at that.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:24 AM ^
Its not like you can blame NDs officials. ND usually uses the other teams conference officials. So stop with conspiracys please.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:04 AM ^
Not a conspiracy. They got lucky with two huge calls in those games.
November 18th, 2012 at 12:49 PM ^
I am not saying they didn't. But people are making it sound like ND is paying off the officials.
November 18th, 2012 at 1:16 PM ^
You are the only one I have seen make that accusation. Everyone else has just stated they got lucky.
November 18th, 2012 at 1:49 PM ^
they also beat purdue by 1.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:04 AM ^
November 18th, 2012 at 8:05 AM ^
That is all.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:07 AM ^
"TO HELL WITH NOTRE DAME" - Bo
November 18th, 2012 at 8:09 AM ^
November 18th, 2012 at 8:09 AM ^
This could be Lou Holtz
November 18th, 2012 at 8:09 AM ^
Because to hell with ND. Their fans are insufferable, their coach is an ass hole, and they think they're the greatest thing to come to college football since the forward pass. I don't mind the luck, every team gets their share of it. It's everything else I hate. I hate them more than MSU but less than Ohio.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:11 AM ^
I can't speak for others obviously but I have a personal and deep dislike for ND. It goes back to Reggie Ho, Raghib Ismail, and ND fans I personally know.
I was also involved in a minor altercation with ND fans in Ann Arbor when I was a senior. Five of them and two of us at about 3:00 AM. The good news is they were a little more intoxicated and quite a bit slower.
I don't have any rational reason to dislike them even more than Ohio but I do.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:47 AM ^
You had me at hello...
November 18th, 2012 at 8:13 AM ^
That's enough in itself, but if I have to see Lou Holtz gushing over the golden domers one more time, I'll puke!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:20 AM ^
I only watch ESPN when absolutely necessary. And even in sporadic short bursts, it's still horrendous
November 18th, 2012 at 8:19 AM ^
earliest memories of Notre Dame include Tim Brown and Rocket Ismail crushing my <10 year old soul. Grbac to Howard was easily one of the best days of my life while I was still a virgin. Notre Dame has always been a solid 1B to Ohio's 1A in my "hate" book. Sparty I never really considered a serious threat to anything other than my couch. Sparty is like "aww...isn't that cute....the little one wants to run with the big dogs".
All that being said, my antipathy for ND has waned a bit over the years. At some point (i think it was 38-0 in 2003) i just started feeling sorry for them. Their fans went from pompous and arrogant to delusional, and it's not nice to make fun of insane people.
SEC fans are just insufferabe. ESPN shoves it down everyone's throat. And I'm at a point in life where I pretty much despise whatever ESPN is shilling. Case in point, I was a big fan of Rory McIlroy as he was coming up. Now I root for him to lose, just because ESPN has decided to make him their new cash cow for golf.
Wow, pretty sure I just realized I hate ESPN more than Notre Dame. I wish the Irish luck for the rest of the season, even if it will immediately induce vomiting every time I do so. Beat ESPN..errr...the SEC.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:17 AM ^
Is that they have so many built in advantages, that are truly ridiculous, that if they start to utilize them it could be really problematic. Then again, they decided not to play us in the future...
November 18th, 2012 at 8:17 AM ^
Notre Dame fans are unbareable enough when they aren't winning national championships and trash talk like they do. If they actually DO get another one then it is going to be that much worse and I don't want to deal with that.
Also, this year in paticular, because I feel they are grossly overrated. Yes, I know, it is difficult to say that about a team that is undefeated, but they've had more than a championship team's worth of lucky breaks this year. It took a 2-minute drive to beat Purdue, a team we now know to be exceptionally bad. We dominated their offense and lost because Denard had the worst game of his career, and we frankly moved the ball at will when we weren't turning it over. They beat Stanford on an absolutely bogus goal line call. They beat Pitt because they were not flagged for having two guys with the same number on the field.
They did, to their credit, beat Oklahoma. That game was not a fluke, they showed up ready to play and they beat them. That, however, is the only quality opponent they've beaten this year without help from the other team beating themselves or help from the officials. They are a good team, good enough for 9 or 10 wins, but they have gotten quite a few breaks to be able to call themselves undefeated and I doubt that is going to cut it if/when they play in the NCG.
To be clear, too, there are a lot of title teams that survive a game on a lucky break. I'm not saying that should preclude you from being deserving of a title, merely that ND has had more than one, and a couple of them have been poor officiating (although not as bad as Colorodo's 5th down; that one deserves an asterisk next to their title).
November 18th, 2012 at 8:36 AM ^
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November 18th, 2012 at 10:32 AM ^
You easily drove, you didn't easily score. You lost. You guys talk about delusional. How can you argue with the statisics? #1 scoring defense, 9TDs scored in 11 games. No FCS games.
You would have crushed ND with Devin? Really? Is that based on his domination of 3 bad BIG10 teams? Really?
November 18th, 2012 at 11:42 AM ^
November 18th, 2012 at 3:24 PM ^
it's based on YOU WON BY A MEASLY TD ON YOUR TURF after we turned the ball over SIX FUCKING TIMES. Enjoy your ass whoopin in the NC game, and then be gone for another 20 years.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:20 AM ^
The SEC and the other teams you mention:
1. Don't have a campus next door and recruit against us
2. Aren't right behind us for all time winning %
3. Finally, there was a seven-year span 1987-1993 when ND beat us 4 in a row and were 6-1 against a lot of good Michigan teams. This was the formative years a lot of posters on the blog and they remember the ND smugness and last second wins. It's like being bitten by your neighbors dog as a kid and growing up to hate dogs.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:48 AM ^
#3 is spot on. I love to hate Ohio. If Ohio fell off the face of the earth I would probably shed a tear because the rivalry is so fun (even if the last stretch has been hard). This week is my favorite week of the year...hating them is fun.
I just hate ND. If ND fell off the face of the earth it would make me very very happy.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:21 AM ^
I hate ND for a bunch of reasons. First of all would be their smarmy fans. I'm originally from the Chicago burbs and ND fans are just as unbearable as Ohio or Lil' Brother. Next, would be the fact that they just snubbed the B1G in favor of the ACC. And finally, although I could probably go on, is that they don't deserve the season they are having. We should've beaten them and a few other teams probably should've too. ND proves that being lucky is better than being good.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:23 AM ^
Irish fans are worse than Packers fans.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:05 AM ^
November 18th, 2012 at 9:50 AM ^
there is nothing wrong with being a fan, even if you couldn't get in to community college.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:23 AM ^
And can't stand that they think they are the best thing pretty much since Jesus. Also,everytime my Dad saw Lou Holtz's face, he would say "turkey"! My Dad hated ND and my Dad was the best guy ever....
OK, maybe slightly irrational and emotional, but you asked....
November 18th, 2012 at 8:24 AM ^
I can't speak for others obviously but I have a personal and deep dislike for ND. It goes back to Reggie Ho, Raghib Ismail, and ND fans I personally know.
I was also involved in a minor altercation with ND fans in Ann Arbor when I was a senior. Five of them and two of us at about 3:00 AM. The good news is they were a little more intoxicated and quite a bit slower.
I don't have any rational reason to dislike them even more than Ohio but I do.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:35 AM ^
Yah we all have stories. I saw a very drunk Michigan fan totally smash some chick in the face with his fist in the stands at ND.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:28 AM ^
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November 18th, 2012 at 8:56 AM ^
They should've loss to Stanford and they would've lost to Pitt if their kicker would've made something a little further than a chip shot in OT.
ND should be #1 with the result of their games...but they should have 3 losses because 3 teams have given then W's this year.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:39 AM ^
Because ND fans (generally) don't acknowledge that there are other great college football programs outside of South Bend. Alabama fans, Texas fans, Nebraska fans, Michigan fans, etc. generally get that there are at least a dozen programs that have been great for decades. I may think Michigan has the best tradition out there but I know I'm biased and can acknowledge that a few other schools at least come close. Notre Dame believes they are alone at the top. And now that they have finally returned to glory, they are going to be even worse.
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November 18th, 2012 at 8:54 AM ^
but reading "Notre Dame is Michigan" just made me puke.