Penn State Punishment Open Thread--UPDATE: NCAA Punshment--$60M Fine, Lots of Scholarships
This is your Penn State Open Thread. Keep the board open for other topics please. I know it's tempting, but lots of other, less disturbing topics are available to discuss. I'm not trying to censor anyone. Instead, this is an open place to discuss your thoughts. Keep it clean. I'll review the thread later and be very unkind to posters who decide to be jerks.
NCAA Punishment:
- $60 million dollar fine payable to an endowment for sex abuse victims
- 10 initial scholarships per year for 4 years
- 65 total scholarships on the roster for four years
- 4 year bowl ban
- Free transfers at any point in an athlete's career
Do people understand that you don't take 25 players a year ? 25x4 does not = 85
It does in Alabama.
Tell that to Alabama.
Do you not understand that 15x4 is only 60, not 65? Not to mention, let's say that 3 per year leave and are, by rule, unable to be replaced. Penn State would be down to what...48 players?
Who gets the $60M fine?
^above post got edited, thus my post doesn't make sense.
Penn St is fined $60M and THEY get to keep it? That would be really odd.
I'm rich Bitch!!
I think it goes to certain children and education programs and such.
I know this isn't about football, but we can also look at the influence this has on football and the B1G.
Michigan and Ohio wre headed back to the mountain top. But they're there now. The elite prospects PSU used to get will be going to Michigan, Ohio, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, UVA, etc.
With that said, the biggest "winner" athletically could be Michigan St., with Dantonio wants to admit it or not...they were headed back to the 8-4 team they'd been for so long. They capitalized on Michigan and Ohio's situations as they should have...it was going to go away, but now they're going to be able to get a lot of these high 3* - low 4* type kids that may have been going to PSU. They may be able to hold on to a stronger team longer they would have without these penalties.
You have Wisconsin and Nebraska that will battle for that #3 spot, but they don't battle PSU in recruiting as much as MSU does.
I kind of don't understand the wins being taken away. Those games never happened, just because Mark Emmert says so?! I just don't know about that. Yea the university screwed up, royally, but the taking away of wins, even in a case like Ohio, just doesn't "vibe" with me. I know there are bigger things at play than just sports in this situation. So address them in that way. Maybe don't mess with what was occuring on the football field. The victims probably don't care that football games that were played now really weren't played.
I'm pretty sure that the Sandusky victims prior to the 1998 report were a little pissed to see LaVarr Arrington, Courtney Brown and Brandon Short kicking ass for him in 1998 and 1999. And look at the clips from our 1999 game at PSU, also known as the Jerry Sandusky shitshow. I don't think those victims enjoyed that game at all.
...it will act as a deterrent for some one putting winning and breaking records over the well being of students/children.
Paterno enabled a rapist to break Robinson's record? Well now that record is gone. Wasn't worth it.
Also, the whole community enabled the win streak. He obviously wasn't much more than a figure head the last few years, but even then, the prosecutors waited until after his win record was secure to indict Sandusky.
I wonder if we will get any of their players?
Immediately comes to mind.
Zettel.
But too soon.
I didn't ask the question, I just saw it and answered.
why are people here so infatuated with taking a player who CHOSE not to play for us? he has his chance, period, and even so, during michigan's worst hour. don't be an apologist here either.
i don't want him.. he chose psu over us... i want players who chose to play for us from the get-go.
Emmert said PSU was expected to establish the position of "chief compliance officer." That jumped out at me. You mean they didn't have one already? If true, that says plenty about the Penn State culture and makes me wonder what else is there that is unrelated to the Sandusky case.
So now Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno have had a bunch of wins vacated. At this rate, Bear Bryant will be the all time winningest IA coach of all time again.
I can smell Urban's phone overheating.
They'll have to waive scholarship restrictions for schools who take these kids. Otherwise places just aren't going to have room.
...they can make room.
This has been answered 4-5 times already.
"These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university," the NCAA said in statement.
1) they recruit PA heavily and get some solid guys from there. Geographically, they are the best alternative to PSU for a kid from PA (Maryland has Edsall, Rutgers just lost Schiano, and UConn is Uconn). I guess Pitt and WVU are OK?
2) they now get a cupcake in their division
I think as far as recruiting, the most impact will be felt in areas PSU recruits that are outside of PA. OSU will certainly benefit, as will other schools that recruit in PA, but there'll still be those that want to go to Penn State. But outside the state, I think PSU's recruiting dries up almost entirely. They do very well in NJ, MD, DC, OH, but not anymore.
Paterno's new win count is 298...12th all time.
I love, love, love that they had to vacate all those wins. Those clowns hid things and propped up JoePa's tenure so he could break that wins record and now it's GONE. All that skeeze-work for nothing. I think that's my favorite penalty
Does Michigan have any scholarships that are immediately available just in case there is someone who might be interested?
They won't count against totals.
Double post
NCAA imposed penalties, nothing from PSU except "we accept"
no dialog in any way
If this is true, this is definitely worse than the death penalty: (But I haven't seen the release myself, so I don't know if it's true.)
NCAA release says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.
We've (of course) got 4-5 people asking the "too soon" question of "can Michigan pouch PSU players and/or recruits."
One thing that should be asked first is can these players even transfer to B1G schools and keep their scholarships? Under normal circumstances the answer is "no."
We've (of course) got 4-5 people asking the "too soon" question of "can Michigan pouch PSU players and/or recruits."
One thing that should be asked first is can these players even transfer to B1G schools and keep their scholarships? Under normal circumstances the answer is "no."
I think the interesting point is this: PSU complied fully with Freeh and allowed him (to quote Emmert) "unprecedented access" to the e-mails and program and files, and basically whatever he required. They get hammered by the NCAA. Does this go to support the behavior we've seen from OSU? Obfuscate, equivocate, and set up roadblocks wherever you can, and you get off lighter? That seems to be the way to deal with things. Don't get me wrong, I think PSU deserves the penalty, I just think this makes it clear that "full compliance" is a terrible idea.
Aside from Tressel (they may have even had the upgrade to Urban planned) all of their key actors are still employed by OSU.
The moral of the story is that the NCAA has no power, if you don't let them into your house.
So it does look like if they had fought back a little, they might not have gotten hammered so bad (unless you count the court of Public Opinion)Had Penn State not wanted to play ball, Emmert was not authorized to unilaterally impose punishments.
— John Infante (@John_Infante) July 23, 2012
Big Ten Presser at 10 AM Central / 11 AM EST
Some summaries of how this affects scholarships and recruiting from John Infante, proprietor of the Bylaw Blog and NCAA Expert for Athnet:
To clear up scholarship penalties: Penn State can bring in 15 new scholarship recruits/year & have 65 total on scholarship for four years
Penn State might not be able to start the scholarship penalties this year, depending on how many players transfer.
Every player at Penn State right now, by the way, does not need to transfer right away. Can transfer free of restriction their entire careerNCAA releases says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.Schools would need to reduce proportionally the next year.So if you take two PSU transfers and have 27 initials and 87 total, you would be limited to 23 initial and 83 total next year.NCAA also waiving official visit limits. Penn State players can take as many as they want during 2012-13. Normally limited to 5.The NCAA is bending over backwards to help the current athletes here. Has to be above anyone’s wildest expectations.
I think this is going to be a feeding frenzy.
Edit, one more, to answer a question a few people have had:
Good. RT
@Bachscore: NCAA specified that Penn State's $60 mil fine cannot be drawn from nonrevenue sports.