Interesting write-up on football student athlete majors for Mich vs. OSU
Graham Watson (frequent contributor to Dr. Saturday at Yahoo! Sports) wrote up a really interesting article in response to an Ohio State sign that compares the academic majors of current Ohio State football players against those of Michigan's players.
It's a great article, and I'll let you readers interpret from it what you will.
Link is here.
[Edit: FWIW, Graham Watson is a lady. Not at all relevant to the story, I just saw a lot of comments referring to 'he/him' and thought it should be stated.
Carry on.]
February 21st, 2012 at 2:14 PM ^
That was directed at diabeetus (and several other people).
February 21st, 2012 at 1:38 PM ^
Lets be honest here. It's rare for a football player to have a real major at both Michigan and OSU and every other major college football school. These guys are recruited for their football talents not their success in the classroom.
The fact that Meyer is trying to imply that his football program focuses on education anymore than Michigan is utter B.S. and just once again confirms that he's a snake oiling used car salesman (not that we needed anymore confirmation of that...). I just hope Brady Hoke isn't pulling a similar tactic.
February 21st, 2012 at 1:45 PM ^
Not sure whether Michael Scarn did his list only for scholarship guys or guys that are on the team for the spring or something, but my own roster search turned up an interesting one: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/schwab_alex00.html
February 21st, 2012 at 1:45 PM ^
LOL
14 in communications.
10 in "family resource management."
7 in "sports & leisure studies."
Fighting over this shit is a giant exercise in futility. Almost every school is a joke in this department.
February 21st, 2012 at 1:49 PM ^
Ohio State does not make players take classes, and takes notes and tests for them. Hell, if I'm Ohio State I just tell every kid that they are a Nuclear Engineering major. It won't matter.
You want to really resolve this debate? After the Michigan-OSU game, have all the players have a little academic competition. Winning team gets 10 points added to the score of the game.
I wouldn't be putting much money on Ohio State if I'm Urban Meyer.
February 21st, 2012 at 2:04 PM ^
There is something about Urban Meyer that makes everything he does seem so incredibly fake. I don't doubt that he's a great coach, but his whole "The Team Up North" nonsense seems so put on.
I wonder how I'd feel if I was a recruit that wanted to major in the areas that this sign not-so-subtly implies are "easy" or bad majors. I could see this backfiring.
February 21st, 2012 at 2:06 PM ^
Here is how to conclusively settle the matter regarding the education you get:
Look at how Michigan's seniors - people like Mike Martin, Kevin Koger, Van Bergen and Junior - represented their university off the field.
Look at how Ohio's seniors - Boom Herron, Posey, Mike Adams - represented their university off the field.
Case f'in closed.
February 21st, 2012 at 2:13 PM ^
February 21st, 2012 at 2:31 PM ^
Looks like Urban put "THE" on the wrong side of the sign?????
February 21st, 2012 at 3:02 PM ^
Is there something wrong with me if the thing that really bothers me about this is multiple articles referencing Michigan as the Harvard of the Midwest?
The correct saying is Harvard is the Michigan of the East. Get it right, morans.
February 21st, 2012 at 3:07 PM ^
Does Ohio State require foreign language proficiency, as U-M does? Because I thought the general wisdom around here is that the foreign language requirement, as much as anything else, drives some LSA athletes towards a BGS.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:35 PM ^
February 21st, 2012 at 3:49 PM ^
...the rivalry more bitter, but I can't help but think that Bourbon Meyer is starting to act like a bitch. Sort of a Dorktonio Bitch.
February 21st, 2012 at 5:12 PM ^
There are so many issues in this . . . where to begin?
- The chart is stupid and proves nothing. However . . .
- I truly believe that every program has a large number of guys on the football team who are majoring in . . . football. I don't care whether it is Michigan, or Ohio, or Florida, or Alabama, or LSU. There are advisors and tutors who will do everything possible to keep football players eligible. And many football players who will do no more than they have to in order to stay eligible.
- I don't like Ohio, but I'm getting tired of all the Michigan homers suggesting that Ohio is substandard academically. That meme is played out, and is no longer true, at least in terms of undergraduate programs. Yes, Michigan is definitely better. I get that. But Ohio is not a "substandard" education. It just isn't. As has been said by others, the student is more important in this case than the institution.
- General Studies, Exploring, Kinesiology . . . whose is longer, mine or yours? I'm with Ramzy on that issue.
I'm not going to retype my earlier post which is over in the Diary thread. However, my main issue is not with Ohio, but with Michigan. Specifically, I think that Michigan schools need to work with the Athletic Department so that athletes who want to can be part of the following programs:
- Nursing
- Engineering
- Art & Design
- Music
- Business
- Architecture
Regarding all the above programs, there should be a way for every athlete who is academically able to compete to complete the program over five years (six?) while concurrently participating in Intercollegiate Athletics. There should be special transportation arrangements provided for all students based on North Campus, and both the academic unit and the athletic unit should give waivers allowing students out of some of the regular requirements. As an example, perhaps Nursing students who play football should be able to do Clinical rotations on Sundays, and excused from any Sunday practice sessions?
Regarding Business and Architecture, I think that the programs need to allow athletes early admission, out of high school, so the athletes aren't penalized for not maintaining a 3.8 GPA their first two years of undergrad.
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:39 AM ^
You don't necessarily need a 3.8 to get into the Architecture school your junior year; I remember it not being ball-droppingly hard to get into. Once you're in, you do need a metric crapton of time in design studio your junior and senior years. (All architecture schools are probably the same way) I'm pretty sure that, say, the pre-meds had it rougher than we did, but you're thinking about your design project 24/7, which is not conducive to football success. A work-around there, is to maybe do your design studios over winter semester and not the fall semester (which is when you'd be practicing football) It'd take you longer to get your degree, but oh well. (Then again, as an embittered member of my profession, I'd steer people - be they Denard or the kid whose forehead he signed - as far away from architecture school on general principle)
February 21st, 2012 at 6:53 PM ^
You have to credit Pryor and his work he was doing for his dissertation: "Free Trade and Body Art of the Current Era: a comprehensie analysis"
February 21st, 2012 at 7:34 PM ^
I just find it hilarious that the chart was missing majors, and inaccurate. Damn Urb, didnt want to show the whole truth?