Michael Floyd's punishment
I bet Floyd is suspended for their first game - Kelly will "punish" him and sit him for a game he's not needed but the P.R. will look good. Back in time for UM.
EDIT: First game is USF at home. Not a guaranteed win, but, close to it
who was raped?
Alleged sexual assault =/= rape
Have they announced anything? One of my good friends is dating the Offense Coordinator's (Molner?) daughter...he said inside word is there is a good chance of Floyd being suspended for the entire 2011 season because of being a repeat offender. More likely I think we see a Lagarette Blount situation where he is "suspended indefinately" and "indefinately" means 2-10 games.
Just my thoughts, and I don't believe ND comes down lightly on this...they hold a pretty high standard for students, and I don't think you see them backing down for a football player, especially with the arrest getting so much media coverage.
no official word, insiders are confirming he will be back for the whole season though. When its official I will be more relaxed about it, till then I don't fully believe it.
But your thoughts were the same as those of ND fans
If this stands to be true then ND will ge giving the moral high ground to none other then Steve Spurrier. Considering that res-life has removed regular students from attending ND for lesser cause why does this sit well and come as a "relief" to alum and fans alike?
I take no issue with ND allowing Floyd to play until the school and ND fans continue to pretend they are a bastion of morality and denounce findings like those from "Under The Tarnished Dome".
As for Floyd this is no fewer then his third alcohol related offense and this last he was blackout drunk. I sincerely hope the kid gets help becuase if he can avoid killing someone he will be one step ahead of his coach.
A few things:
- There is new ResLife leadership that overall has been more lenient across the board than the past regime, thus this might be the new standard for punishment.
- I haven't read "Under the Tarnished Dome" but the "findings" from that book were produced from the accounts of disgruntled former players, many of whom were suspended or expelled due to disciplinary reasons. It's hardly gospel.
- ND did go to great lengths to denounce the violations that did take place in the mid to late 90s.
- ND has taken the high road as an academic institution in the standards it holds its football program to (see top graduation rates, overall harsher punishment than most for misconduct, higher academic standards than most of CFB, etc.) ND not suspending Floyd for games in the fall for a violation in March does not mean ND has SEC like standards now.
Reslife has changed over the past few years, I have said it before, what the changes all entail I don't know and probably never will.
In the past student-athletes were handed down harsher penalties than the average student. I know of no ND student expelled for anything over the past 2 years, but their infractions don't exactly grab headlines. At the very least I would like to believe reslife now sees the same students in the stands as the ones on the field.
I am a little skeptical of your sincere worry for Floyd though. You don't appear to have been worried enough about Dorsey, Grady or Cissoko to post in those topics, but they were UM players. Are you a closet ND fan?
Dorsey was never admitted.
Through all his posts to see what he said about Cissoko and Grady?
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<br>A lot of people hoped Cissoko would get the help he needs...
No, just used that handy search up there to find the topics, hit ctrl-f and throw hail in there. Took a whole 2 minutes
Do we understand correctly that you approve of Floyd not having a suspension and will be 'relieved" once this is confirmed?
I have not said that
Here is exactly what you said in an earlier post:
"no official word, insiders are confirming he will be back for the whole season though. When its official I will be more relaxed about it, till then I don't fully believe it."
So once again if Floyd never misses a game are you relaxed and ok with that?
Awnser the question.
As for me-I have zero tolerance for drunk driving. Any player drunk driving should lose the privlidge to play football and any coach that is responsible for manslaughter has no business leading young men.
Quite the proud time for ND.
Are you relaxed Irish? Are you proud? Make sure you pour a shot over Deckland Sullivan's grave.
Why did this response go here?
getting pwnd by the comment system right now.
+1 for going there with BK.
Indefinitely*
Quality post, nonetheless.
I'm fine with ND having one less excuse when they lose to Michigan again.
(because he's good, not necassarily because of DUI) but I definately like to beat ND when they are healthy and no excuses. Losing Floyd would definately be a legitimate excuse.
I definately have lost a lot of respect for Kelly the last year. Between this and playing a player with a pretty obvious concussion, it's hard to believe what he will do to win.
Just in the last year? What about his comments while at Central about violence and teenage blacks? Or his drinking issues? For the catholic ND fans, what about his open support/campaigning for John Kerry and abortion. After all the university was in an uproar over Obama speaking there. I guess as long as he wins- football wins> religious convictions.
At CMU, Kelly said regarding his players involved in a police investigation (he hadn't yet coached a game): “For example, a number of them were African Americans that had been in that culture of violence and they’re taught to look away.” Not politically correct in today's society but you are out of touch with reality if you think he said something inaccurate. He wasn't generalizing for all AAs but speaking specifically about his players.
Also, please show me evidence of Kelly's drinking problem and his open support for abortion? Or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
above is a bit of a reach especially because he's not even the one making preliminary decision here. Obviously playing crist last year with the concussion was bad form but I'm not sure if this current situation is to be blamed on Kelly...
<br>Floyd obviously should be suspended to some major extent and if he isn't then that reflects badly on Kelly and ND but I also think that the conscientious ND fans (like Irish here) probably agree there should be something more.
As the head coach of a FCS football program, you never make excuses, as true as you think they are, for violence of any kind, especially involving your players
He wasn't making excuses for violence by his players, he was explaining why they were hesitant to cooperate with the police investigation.
Because making excuses for his players not cooperating with the police is much better than making excuses for violent acts?
The point is still the same. And saying players who grow up around violence are taught to look the other way may appear like he is making excuses for his players to do something illegal.
May appear like? That has to be the weakest argument anyone can make
Brady Hoke may appear like Mike Golic, so obviously they're related.
BK made a mistake and apologized for his comment, he point blank shouldn't have said it. However, it wasn't a racist comment or a justification for violence. If you don't think there isn't a problem with violence in this country in the inner cities and people looking the other way then you are naive. That's what he was speaking to, not a justification for his players to go commit violent crime.
you're reaching and you know it. I guess if we're going to generalize people the UM football team is a bunch of pot smoking general studies majors. Come on, what pedestal do you think you're on right now?
A ND fan talking about pedestals?
Look man, you have a great track record around these parts. Don't be shocked that people on this thread (which you started btw) aren't defending ND. It is a Michigan blog. Sorry, we don't see ND the way you do.
Also, no one here has ever claimed that all Michigan players are all saints. That is your strawman. What people are reacting to is the ND fanbase's holier than thou attitude about your team and its players, Now, it seems like the rules don't quite matter so much when you really need the player in question.
I don't ever expect to be agreed with. I post here to interact with knowledgeable people about college football and the occasional off topic thread.
When someone posts something uninformed, illogical, desperate or just plane stupid I am going to ask them about it whether its a ND, UM, MSU or OSU poster. If I was really that worried about where I was posting, why would I be here?
Overall I think DUIs should be handled more seriously when it comes to athletes. I feel like coaches won't get a ton of flack from the media until a player drives drunk and kills someone. Hopefully that will never happen though.
that as a punishment Coach Kelly made Floyd give the Cadillac he was driving back to the car dealer until he straightens up his act
had similar punishment here, iirc. however, although not officially suspended for the first game, i don't think he played.
It appears ND is willing to dance with the devil if it means they'll return to Top 20 status.
him to try to avoid falling to 1-5 against Michigan in the past 6 years.
ND is slowly turning into Michigan State without defense
Irish, you are a reasonably and rational ND fan. Your contributions to this board have always been valuable and inciteful. If you are as disgusted by Kelly as I am, I respectfully suggest you protest by symbolically serving Floyd's punishment for him and sitting out next year from ND fandom. We will welcome you as Michigan fan for next season. Try it, you'll feel much better!
I had a feeling this was going to happen when an "indefinite suspension" was announced.
They can't actually have no penalty for this, right? Right? I mean I know ND is no BYU but they're kind of supposed to be above this kind of thing in terms of their value statement to parents and fans, right?
Who is Steve?
Screw ND and their "high standards" that apply to everyone but the athletes. Let's see, last year a player sexually assaulted a girl who later committed suicide. He wasn't punished. Next, a student who is filming practices dies under the supervision of the head coach, athletic director, and the rest of the management staff. Is anyone held accountable? Nope. His parents get a measly $750,000 to deal with their grief. Now, Floyd gets his second alcohol-related offense. He could have killed someone while driving drunk, but because he can catch a football, he gets off with "community service." ND is a joke, and they are no better than Michigan State in regards to discipline. I guess Kelly has been taking lessons from Dantonio.
No sexual assault took place. Accountability for Declan Sullivan's death was pinned on ND, subsequently they were fined and made changes to their policies. A scholarship fund was also created in his name. Not sure where the $750K figure came from, but even if they got every cent in the pot at ND would that help them with their grief? While there are 3 alcohol incidents, the first 2 happened while he was at home.
While I do not condone his actions I was very surprised to learn of the outcome of ResLife. While it is true there is a "new sherrif" in town, the old ResLife was majorly over sensitive. Techinically this is the first "on campus" incident and as such was treated the way that everyone at ND is. The rules have been stated many times on this board.
You of all people shouldn't be throwing stones in a glass house.
And just so you don't point the homer gun at me, you will anyways, but I feel that a suspension is in order as clearly there is a behavior issue here.
Actually, this response is consistent between even old and new regime. Will Yeatman got a DUI during Spring 2008. He later violated his probation during the 2008 season, leading to his suspension from football and school. Yeatman left the university of his own accord.
That's pretty consistent with the Floyd case. It's also consistent with the treatment of "normal" students at ND for DUIs.
PS: Floyd is still suspended.