still not over it in South Bend
- Member for
- 3 years 45 weeks
- Ben Gedeon dropped form 171 to 174
- Deveon Smith went up from 231 to 229
- Cameron Burrows dropped from 7 to 13
- Eli Woodard went up from 28 to 19
- Joey Bosa dropped from 14 to 20
- Jalin Marshall dropped from 41 to 48
- Evan lisle droped from 83 to out of the top 100.
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Yes.||
It is very likely Price will be playing the OG position. He has talked about it a couple times in interviews about how OSU will try him out on both sides to see where he fits. Based on the numbers (and the good overall DL haul), my money is on him ending up on OL.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||He was a 5th round pick. I||
He was a 5th round pick. I would wager to say he has (is) lasted much longer than the average 5th round pick in the NFL.
Although I'm not sure how his lack of performance in the NFL in any way is a reflexion of how overrated he was as a college football QB. Kellen Moore didn't even get drafted, and he is one of the most accurate passers in college football history.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Elaydin's comment above makes||
Elaydin's comment above makes this discussion moot (OSU has confirmed that the NCAA has seen the e-mails in question), but I just wanted to clarify what I meant. You asked:
"You claim "multiple people outside of the athletic department know of the contents of the emails". Really? Why? What if the only two people who knew the content were Smith and Gee himself."
The e-mails were specifically reviewed by the compliance department before the suit began, and then by the legal department after the suit was brought forth (which could also include any outside counsel). So this would imply multiple people know of its contents across multiple OSU departments.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||I think you are looking far||
I think you are looking far too much into this. If there was a "smoking gun" in the e-mail, why would OSU risk not giving it over to the NCAA knowing there was a distinct possibility it could become public as a result of this lawsuit? Multiple people at OSU (including those outside of the athletic department) know the contents of that e-mail as a result of this lawsuit - and I believe the judges do too. Every employee at OSU aware of the contents of that e-mail is risking his job by not properly reporting any violation or submitting the e-mails to the NCAA. I can assure you that the NCAA has seen the e-mails if they are in any way relevant.
And it would also be completely illogical for OSU to turn over the Tressel emails voluntarily that started this whole scandal, yet now decide to start a institution wide coverup.
Bottom line is that OSU's fight against ESPN transcends the OSU football program and this particular scandal; it is a very important privacy issue that could set precedent for ALL universities moving forward. This is not simply OSU vs. ESPN - this is all public universities vs. the media - as can be seen by the amicus briefs in support of OSU. Trust me, Michigan's legal department is just as happy with this result as OSU is.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Hey OP, can we get your||
Hey OP, can we get your brilliant anaylsis of this picture too?
Obviously, Meyer has absolutely no respect for people that ask to take pictures of him, and selfishly focuses on pleasing himself with food - he clearly didn't even thank the cooks for the food. Hoke, ever the Michigan Man, takes time out of his favorite past-time to acknowledge the nice gentleman asking for a picture - showing how down to earth he is.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||I would make the complete||
I would make the complete opposite argument. The team class ranking is based on that year alone. Just because those 8 players aren't a 5/4star does not mean they won't be elite.
I would rather have 8 3-star players that each have a 20% chance (pulling that number out of my ass) of being all-conference compared to 0 players with no chance of any good players.
And this is exactly why oversigning is such a big competitive advantage. Just looking at in terms of odds, having more players (even if they are 3-stars) increases your overall chances of having studs in the class. Much larger margin for error.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Btw, the @JhallOSU account||
Btw, the @JhallOSU account you quoted above is just some random person (not on the team) - that's not Jordan Hall (who is @Jordan_Hall7).
|2 years 14 weeks ago||What an idiot||
That kid got in trouble multiple times with the law and got a DUI right before Meyer came on. How does he have any room to complain or play the victim card, especially comparing it to a couple kids peeing on a wall?
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Can you also recall what you||
Can you also recall what you called Hoke when he was recruiting OSU verbals Dunn and Kalis last year? "Poaching" recruits is not the issue.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||I'm usually not one to wear a||
I'm usually not one to wear a tin-foil hat when it comes to sports conspiracies, but it is imprudent to dismiss rankings tampering for the purposes of driving up subscribers since it has been proven to happen before.
I forget the scout's name, but a couple years ago, a former Rivals employees admitted that Alabama recruits were all bumped up in the rankings to appease the Albama subscriber base - the largest fan base out of all the Rival premium sites. He was fired shortly after that.
I'm sure the vast majority of the scouts for these sites do their work honestly, but it doesn't mean there aren't external factors other than pure football ability that ultimately decide the rankings - either on a conscience or subconscience level.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||A bit of 24/7 movement||
There was some more very slight movement in 24/7 very recently:
|2 years 15 weeks ago||OSU Recruits||
For anyone interested, this is what happened to OSU recruits:
I haven't gone through the numbers, but I'm going to make the relatively safe assumption that uncommitted players got a significant higher bump than committed players. It might be shady practice, but Rivals is a business and creating more top prospect drama over the next few months drives subscribers.
Also, I made a Google spreadsheet comparing OSU and Michigan classes if anyone wants to compare the rankings across the 4 main services: Spreadsheet - updated as of today.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||It's not a list of who has||
It's not a list of who has done the best coaching in the Big Ten league - it's a list of who are the best coaches that happen to coach in the Big Ten.
And I'm not sure the argument saying he has to prove it in the BigTen really holds much water - even the biggest BigTen homers would admit the SEC has been the best conference over the past 6-8 years. If you succeed in the top tier of football, it is a safe assumption you will do fine in a lower tier (even if there is a different style of play).
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Florida has 14 starters||
Florida has 14 starters coming back - so it's not really a surprise that they don't have many picks yet. Next year will have quite a few top picks.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Definitely||
He is as big of a homer as it gets (but I don't think he pretends to be otherwise - he is just a "fan" with connections, instead of a recruiting analyst), but I've learned to just focus on the information and take his additional commentary with a grain of salt. Bill Greene is a great recruiting analyst though.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Nevada is usually right on||
Heureman essentially told other recruits and the staff that he was committing to OSU this week. He obviously had a change of heart, which is fine - but the information was legit.
There are many not-so-nice things to say about Nevada, but his information when it comes to OSU recruiting is as good as it gets.
Heureman is a tough loss since he seems like a great kid, but having Baugh in this class takes a lot of the sting away in terms fo the impact on the TE position. Hopefully we use the spot for an OL or WR instead.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||OSU fan here||
I like Hoke and his overall attitude towards the rivalry and college football (no, sorry guys, the Ohio thing doesn't bother me) - but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I would rather have him over Meyer.
If you are just looking at pure football results, there is no arguing that Meyer is light years ahead of Hoke at the moment. While Hoke is more similar to traditional Michigan/OSU coaches, Meyer brings an intensity level that is very similar to what Woody was like. Some fans prefer that intense approach moreso than the traditional Hoke/Carr/Tressel approach.
However, if all else being equal (namely past football results), I, personally, would prefer the traditional Hoke approach over Meyer simply because it breeds stability. The past few months have certainly been exciting, but I'm not sure how sustainable it is.
So to answer your question: no, I would wager 95%+ of OSU fans would rather have Meyer - but that's a testament to his past results more than anything.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||You posted a picture of his||
You posted a picture of his parents at an exotic dancing competition - something that has literally nothing to do with anything. Sure, it's a fact that it exists - but it doesn't make it appropriate. If you can't see why, then this isn't a discussion worth continuing.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Too far||
Damn, this is a 16-year-old kid and you are dragging his mom into this? Not cool, man. Recruits read forums.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Highlights||
For anyone interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6zxtCTsGI
I'm far from a recruiting expert, but Barrett, Zaire, and Chapman all looked equally good to me. Obviously OSU staff felt differently - otherwise I would hope they would give the edge to players from Ohio (Zaire/Chapman) over players from outside of the midwest, with all else being equal.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Hold that thought||
... We (OSU) are likely going to pick up a commitment from Courtney Love pretty soon. Don't mess with us.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||I think the bigger "WOW"||
I think the bigger "WOW" should go to the fact that there is 11 Michigan players in the Top 150.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Doubt it||
Goodman has been absolutely lights out in breaking transfers and NBA draft entrants this season. He has been ahead of everyone regardless of what school. Guy is at the top of the game.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||No, the bottom line is that||
No, the bottom line is that SportsByBrooks is an idiot.
Meyer didn't lie about anything - nowhere is this "Circle of Trust" credited to him. It was the analogy used by both those journalists as a pop culture reference. And as Brooks is wont to do, he distorts reality to try to get a "Gotcha!" journalism moment.
One of the authors, Austin Murphy, even took to Twitter now to point out Brooks idiocy, and made it clear that Meyer never said it.
It's disappointing that after reading the first 50 posts in this thread, not a single person [Edit: my mistake, 2 people pointed it out above this] has pointed out this blatant error (although calling it an error would be giving too much credit to Brooks, since he obviously did it on purpose).
|2 years 22 weeks ago||I think you are taking that||
I think you are taking that site far too seriously.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||The article is wrong.||
The article is wrong. "Bumping" is not illegal, and used (abused?) by a bunch of coaches.
Hard to take this article seriously when the author conveniently forgets to even mention that the AD of Wisconsin released a statement saying that Bielema was mistaken and there were no recruiting violations, and that Delany released a similar statement after meeting with both sides.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Just baseless rumors||
It doesn't make any sense that the Sullingers would be pushing for Trey to come out. If anything, after the Final Four run that OSU had, Sullinger would be encouraging Trey to come back because Michigan would have a chance to do something special as well.
Satch Sullinger was telling his son he wasn't ready for the NBA last year (when he was a vritual Top 5 lock), but now you believe he would be telling Burke, someone who he sees as another son, that he is ready for the NBA despite there being little chance he would be a 1st round pick? Makes absolutely no sense.
If Burke decides to leave, it will be 100% his decision.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||OSU perspective||
Well, Craft has already stated he is coming back next year (and even said so while laughing because I don't think he even considered an alternative).
I think the gushing over Craft as opposed to Burke has to do with the NCAA tournament - Craft's profile went up ten-fold over the past few weeks with the national spotlight. Burke had an amazing season, but it ended on a bad note with the early exit and relatively poor performance against Ohio.
Here is the thing about Craft. I love the kid, but I just don't see him being anything more than a benchwarmer in the NBA. His biggest attribute is his on-the-ball permieter defense - and that skill will be VERY marginilzed in the NBA due to the much stricter hand-checking rules. With NBA refs/rules, he commits an average of 28.4 fouls per game (might be an exaggeration). I'm sure he would adjust, but he wouldn't be nearly as dominant defensively. Other than that, relative to other NBA PGs, he would be below average at ball-handling, passing, shooting, and driving. In other words, he would be a huge liability on the offensive end.
I do expect him to be drafted after his senior year simply due to his tenacity and defense, but I think Burke's game translates much better to the NBA than Craft's.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||To be fair, most of that||
To be fair, most of that "spread doesn't work in the B1G" comments came after Michigan went 3-9. If Meyer finshes 6-6 or worse, I'm sure you'll have even more OSU fans saying the same thing.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||J.T. Barrett is/was the top||
J.T. Barrett is/was the top QB on OSU's board - not sure where you are getting your info.
Meyer told both Zaire and Trapman (another highly ranked instate QB) to come to camp this summer. Zaire's offer was given by the previous staff, so I can understand why he doesnt feel like auditioning for the new staff. Trapman will likely come to camp.
I personally think Zaire's tape is amazing, and was hoping he'd eventually end up a Buckeye. This is kinda a bummer. Hopefully we'll get Barrett but that's far from a lock at this point.