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aaamichfan

April 17th, 2012 at 11:58 AM ^

The last couple of camps he's been at, he hasn't exactly wowed people. I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop down even lower as time goes on. 

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AAB

April 17th, 2012 at 12:02 PM ^

He wasn't great in Texas but looked outstanding at whatever they're calling the Ann Arbor Best of the Midwest thing now.  

TheOnlyOne

April 17th, 2012 at 4:28 PM ^

I doubt he drops too far. He has everything that can't be taught - height, mega arm strength, more mobility than Chad Henne. He'll improve his footwork and change of ball speeds by the time he's done with camps and maintain his spot, or maybe move up much like Mallet did.

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Pdeaner

April 17th, 2012 at 1:30 PM ^

ESPN knocks him for his accuracy (referring to the Dallas camp and his HS completion %).  They said it needs to be up around 64% this year.  His JR year is comp % was 52%.  While this may be true stats can vary wildly at the HS level for so many different reasons.  If you look at the game by game stats he had some terrible game comp % wise:

Brother Rice 6 of 16 38%

Inkster 7 of 21 33%

St Mary Prep 5 of 14 36%

Cass Tech 4 of 17 24%

The stats dont necessarily tell the whole story.  Can someone who has seen him play shed some light.  Does he not get enough time and has to throw the ball away?  Are his WR not athletic enough to get seperation and get open?  Are they trying to throw a homerun ball everytime (which isn't a high completion pass)?

My point is that you can make stats say whatever you want.  Is the problem his accuracy, or is ESPN conveniently using this to point out an isolated incident at the Dallas camp?

CasBMW

April 17th, 2012 at 1:48 PM ^

(Forgot source sorry), that indicates his receivers aren't Div.1 level. Dropped too many passes. Secondly Shane has a hell of a throw. Don't see many HS players catching his balls. His team will be throwing more this up coming season. When this takes place, you will see higher yards, attempts, completions, ect.. His rankings will move up as well. I see him as the #2 overall QB prospect behind Max Browne (Future Rose Bowl Nemsis)

 

I'm predicting Shane throwing over 3,500 yards 23 TD/6 INT w/ 250 yards rushing and 4TD'S.  Look forward to seeing him backing up Bellomy until he is ready in the coming years

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Magnus

April 17th, 2012 at 2:06 PM ^

Maybe Morris isn't as good as you think.  I think some Michigan fans are overrating him because a) he was offered and committed early and b) he's a Michigan kid.  He does have some flaws.

Pdeaner

April 17th, 2012 at 2:32 PM ^

I am not saying Morris is over or under ranked.  I am just commenting on the fact that ESPN has his major flaw as accuracy.

1. I have not heard of this being a concern until their Elite 11 camp in Dallas.  Just questioning whether this is truly a concern or are they trying to find stats to support their camp evaluation.  Which could have been jitters or just a bad day.  Or he truly has accuracy issues. 

2.  The fact that they point to Morris's HS completion percentage (52%) as support to his lack of accuracy, is weird when the #1 QB on the list completed only 50% of his passes last year and is an "accurate" QB.

Magnus

April 17th, 2012 at 2:38 PM ^

Accuracy has been a concern about Morris ever since he arrived on my radar.  People don't question his intelligence or arm strength, but he apparently has a bit of a scattershot arm.  Of course, he does have occasions where he looks like a very accurate passer, but that's not the norm.

I have not watched film on Hackenberg, but I do agree that Max Browne is a better QB than Morris.  And I also think Tyrone Swoopes is going to have a great college career if he's used properly.  Assuming Hackenberg is better than Morris, too, then I'm not sure how high one could expect the 4th-best quarterback to be ranked overall.

Vivz

April 17th, 2012 at 11:53 AM ^

Cravens 15

Fuller 27

Bosa 41

Treadwell 42

Vanderdoes 56

Hutchings 57

Priest Willis 62

Isaac 68

Tashawn Bower 119

Joe Mathis 120

KAYSHIN15

April 17th, 2012 at 11:58 AM ^

We definitely have the bottom tier of the 150 locked up. Also I'm sure a bunch of us are disappointed in the rankings, but having 11 of the best 150 already is pretty impressive

tpilews

April 17th, 2012 at 12:06 PM ^

Considering the top 3 teams in recruiting last year had 13, 10, and 12 top 150 commits, I'll take 11 in the initial 150 for UM. With the potential for more, this could just a ridiculous class when it is all said and done.

Pdeaner

April 17th, 2012 at 12:48 PM ^

Yes Alabama got 13, and Texas got 12 but they also had recruiting class sizes of 26 and 28.  Makes 11 out of 17 very impressive.  That is a 65% rate.  Tops last year was 53% by FSU.  In 2011 it was Bama with 44%.  Florida has the highest with 61% in 2010.  USC and Florida also had a 50% rate in 2009 but with small classes.

The top three teams (2009-2012) averaged 44% of their class being on the 150 list (or about 11 players). 

 

Farnn

April 17th, 2012 at 12:06 PM ^

Not to be all debbie downer, but I have the feeling that the class won't end up with more than 11 in the 150.  With so many towards the bottom of the list, some will probably be bumped out by players who rise over the summer/during their senior seasons.  And there's a very slim chance, the coaches get Isaac, Treadwell and 2 more players in the 150.

AAB

April 17th, 2012 at 12:19 PM ^

I know nothing about evaluating players, but 247 dropped him 200 spots when they released their rankings, he's #80 overall to Scout, and not in the ESPN 150.  I think everyone saw his initial Rivals ranking and got excited when he might not turn out to be that kind of super elite guy.  

AAB

April 17th, 2012 at 12:34 PM ^

I'm just a huge believer in the wisdom of crowds on this sort of thing.  The views of coaching staffs (including ours) are important, but I don't think the fact that Michigan really wants him drowns out everything else.  Coaches screw up.  Even good ones (I'm not saying they're screwing up by rating Levenberry so highly, because I'm not a talent evaluator.  Just saying the fact that the coaches love any particular prospect doesn't end the conversation for me). 

M-Wolverine

April 17th, 2012 at 12:45 PM ^

OK, but when you have rankings of 15 (elite), 80 (pretty damn good), outside 150 (?), and 200-something (still possibly a good player)...basically all over the place....what IS the wisdom of the crowd? Other than "I don't know"...

Not saying which one is right, or that you're even coming down on anybody for recruiting him. I just don't see any pattern there. If Scout wasn't fairly high on him too, then maybe Rivals is an outlier...but assessments seem all over the place.

In any regard, we all agree he's good and won't look bad in a Michigan uniform.

AAB

April 17th, 2012 at 12:54 PM ^

what happens when Rivals updates their rankings (247 dropped him quite a bit in their last update).  If he stays at like 15 I'll have to revise my opinion somewhat, but I've been assuming he was in for a bit of a drop.  

M-Wolverine

April 17th, 2012 at 1:12 PM ^

And probably an accurate project.  But there's a difference between what "the majority are saying", and what they might/probably/could say.  

And I guess I don't think he's going to fall to anywhere that we still wouldn't be happy to recruit him (as fans, not staff...we already know that), so it doesn't matter that much to me. Groupings do rather than spot.  More highly rated recruits means more chance for them to succeed and less chance of medium contribution, but if it means we won't be able to beat our chests because he's not the best LB in the nation or something, it won't be as fun, but I'm not losing sleep over it. (And I don't think you are either).

WolvinLA2

April 17th, 2012 at 12:45 PM ^

Sure, it's one data point, but a very important one. He's not just a guy the staff offered at LB, he's on the top of their list. That's a very strong data point, and should hold more weight than any one recruiting site. Add in the fact that he has offers from every top SEC school (Bama, Florida, Georgia, LSU) plus FSU, Ohio St, Oklahoma, Penn State, and ND.

Sure, our coaches can be wrong. But unless every other major coach in college football is also wrong, it's a safe bet that our excitement for Levenberry is warranted.

AAB

April 17th, 2012 at 12:53 PM ^

more than in this particular instance.  I think Levenberry is likely a very good prospect that Michigan fans should be excited about (unless he goes to FSU).  It's just not enough for me that he's at the top of the board, and I think there are enough other things going on (Florida fans insist he's been told they don't have room for him, his drop in some of the rankings), to think he's like half-shirtless instead of completely shirtless.

Speaking more broadly, my view is: if you could create some sort of theoretical ranking based on offer lists, intensity of interest from top schools, and rankings from the big 4 recruiting sites, I'd take that over the Michigan coaches' opinion.  

WolvinLA2

April 17th, 2012 at 2:21 PM ^

I'm not saying the Michigan offer should trump everything, but in the case of Levenberry, he has a lot more than that in his favor. He has offers from everyone worth getting an offer from and is in the top 100 on two of four sites. He might not be a four time All-American, but the preponderance of the evidence says he's well worth getting excited over.