the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
Will Gee survive?
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:30 AM
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Will Gee survive?
Everybody in academia reads the Chroncle. This is a big, if intangible, problem for tOSU.
http://chronicle.com/blogs/players/as-ohio-state-scandal-widens-will-its...
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:35 AM | 
Ohio State's stature as an
Ohio State's stature as an
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:53 AM |
But,
But,
the dude dropped the ball completely on handling this situation, and his ONLY defense is claiming ignorance for something he should have known. If he doesn't take the blame and Tressel doesn't who will? Pryor?
Also, how much has OSU's fundraising increased, and how much of that was due to football success? My guess is that all of it was due to football success.
What I'm saying is that football success = financial success.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 11:57 AM |
The financial success is
The financial success is
The financial success is largely because of the academic relationship between B10 schools (and the University of Chicago) and the sharing of research funds.
The simple fact is that schools don't hire and fire Presidents because of the football team. It's why everyone who ever mentioned Mary Sue Coleman when discussing Rodriguez an Hoke was stupid - they hire the AD to handle that shit. If it blows up, the AD falls on the sword.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:20 PM |
I am not going to argue most
I am not going to argue most
I am not going to argue most of those points, however, if he has more important things to do, and the AD is hired to handle this mess, then why was Gee busying himself at the presser making himself look like a complete tool to the rest of the nation? He made himself appear as a man willing to excuse, or look the other way in the face of corruption. I would think that that alone might impact fundraising.
June 2nd, 2011 at 12:23 PM |
In the end
In the end
You're probably right that Gee survives. However, I wouldn't doubt that there are some sort of consequences for him when this is all over. Even general officers in the military can get punished for crap that goes on within their command, even if it's a one-time even and limited to a very few people in one unit.
His statement at the press conference about hoping Tressel doesn't fire him made him look very weak willed. That's just a bad PR moment, but considering that the extent of the graft in the Athletic Department isn't fully known yet, I don't think anyone really knows what impact it will have on him and his tenure.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 2:18 PM |
It has little to do with the Big Ten.
It has little to do with the Big Ten.
You're seriously underestimating the nature of the Big Ten's collaborative academic activities, which are largely under the aegis of the CIC, or Committee on Institutional Cooperation. Leaving the Big 10 and going independent would end a wide variety of conference initiatives that benefit the research activities of the member institutions.
But Gee is an asshat regardless.
June 2nd, 2011 at 1:57 PM |
Aren't you forgeting how tsio
Aren't you forgeting how tsio
Aren't you forgeting how tsio was caught misuising NSF research funds last month?
Gee can duck the atheltic issues, but not the research ones.
June 2nd, 2011 at 8:14 PM |
I have to say, though, that
I have to say, though, that
I have to say, though, that when WVU sued RichRod over his premature departure, the case was settled just before MSC was supposed to have been deposed. I always felt that there were certain items that MSC didn't want publicly revealed, nor, with good reason, would she have told anything but the truth.
June 2nd, 2011 at 8:15 PM |
I have to say, though, that
I have to say, though, that
I have to say, though, that when WVU sued RichRod over his premature departure, the case was settled just before MSC was supposed to have been deposed. I always felt that there were certain items that MSC didn't want publicly revealed, nor, with good reason, would she have told anything but the truth.
June 2nd, 2011 at 8:16 PM |
Double Post - Sorry
Double Post - Sorry
Double
June 2nd, 2011 at 12:24 PM |
Will Gee survive?
Will Gee survive?
No
How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 AM |
Riotously successful? (I've
Riotously successful? (I've
Riotously successful? (I've never heard that adverb used before.....other than descibing a celebration in East Lansing).
/s
Bill Martin raised a lot of money for UofM athletics and upgraded the greatest college football stadium on earth. Nonetheless, I don't consider his tenure riotously successful.
(I'm swimming in the deep end of the vocabulary/grammar pool and I'm not that good of a swimmer.)
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:01 PM |
Bill Martin was talked with
Bill Martin was talked with
Bill Martin was tasked with that, and, also, the success of the school's athletic programs.
The degree to which Gordon Gee's job description involves football is miniscule.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:21 PM |
Agreed. The AD's job, by
Agreed. The AD's job, by
Agreed. The AD's job, by definition, is to upgrade facilities and improve the entire athletic department. Meanwhile, the president is in charge of the welfare of the entire institution. Correct. However, since the athletic department is, in fact, part of the instituion (and by far, the most visible aspect), and the president approved the hire of the AD, he should be held accountable for what goes on over there. Ohio State has been embarrassed significantly and Gordon Gee added to that embarrassment on multiple occasions.
To compare (and to play devil's advocate), Jim Tressel was highly successful at coaching football, recruiting, generating support, and winning a national title. He had one miniscule task.......not lie to his superiors or the NCAA and he didn't do it and it cost him his job. For a guy who is a devout Christian and the author of the Winner's Manual for the Game of Life, it seemed like a miniscule task, anyway.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:24 PM |
I'm not arguing that Gee
I'm not arguing that Gee
I'm not arguing that Gee didn't do some silly things. But given the generaly upward trend of the school, the fact that he's generally extremely well thought of (he's been the highest paid President for over 10 years), he'll be fine.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:24 PM |
I'm not arguing that Gee
I'm not arguing that Gee
I'm not arguing that Gee didn't do some silly things. But given the generaly upward trend of the school, the fact that he's generally extremely well thought of (he's been the highest paid President for over 10 years), he'll be fine.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:29 PM |
The underlying message
The underlying message
Of The Chronicle's piece is that Gee's reputation is taking a serious beating in the academic world. It's pretty easy to conclude from the article that they may think he's a part of what is wrong with Ohio State right now, as much as what is right.
"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
June 2nd, 2011 at 12:32 PM |
Again, given that OSU has
Again, given that OSU has
Again, given that OSU has climbed something like 40 spots in National rankings since he took over (I think they're top 50 on US New and World Report now?) and the bevy of cash he's brought in, he'll be fine.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 2:37 PM |
Regardless, the perception of
Regardless, the perception of
Regardless, the perception of the University is improving, and Gee, for lack of a better term, is making it rain. I'm sure they're content.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 3:11 PM |
Responding....
Responding....
To your statement here and in a couple of other spots in this thread: you're right. I think Gee is able to get funding from many places; of which, wealthy donors (perhaps alumni) who follow the football team is only one.
The point being made above, though, is that courting those wealthy donors is a big part of Gee's job, and he'll get an earful (so will the Trustees) from them about this fiasco. Will it impact one or more donors? That's unclear. At an individual level, maybe not.
I think the question is how long things have to boil in the Athletic Department before reputations get tarnished outside it (that would almost certainly impact his personal reputation and perhaps his ability to raise money). I am sure that Gee is working pretty hard to keep the crisis contained at the moment, to the football team first, and to the AD as a worst case. The longer this goes on, the harder that will be.
"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:56 PM |
Are you really trying to draw
Are you really trying to draw
Are you really trying to draw an equivalency between this and restrooms at Brown?
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June 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM |
It depends on the consumer.
It depends on the consumer.
It depends on the consumer. Incoming college students and prospective students don't give a fuck about research. You, as a researcher, clearly do. Perhaps that colors your opinion?
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June 2nd, 2011 at 3:41 PM |
But that's just it
But that's just it
The most public facet of the University is the sports teams. That's why it's important; not the money. It influences admissions and public perception. No one is putting cover stories on every magazine rack about their rankings improvements, or funding increases. You google search "Ohio State University" "Athletics" and "football" come before "hospital" and "medical center". And don't even try a news search. The problem is, OSU to the general public is associated with "cheating and lying", not academics. And Gee looked foolish in bringing scrutiny on the University by saying nothing was really THAT wrong, and almost daring the media to check further, when he could have handled it all a long time ago. PR is a major component of a President's job.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM |
You realize the University's
You realize the University's
You realize the University's with the largest endowments in the nation are athletically irrelevent, right?
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June 2nd, 2011 at 4:08 PM |
Yes, and they don't have to worry about Athletics
Yes, and they don't have to worry about Athletics
Abusing their public image.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
June 2nd, 2011 at 12:32 PM |
(It would be better if I just
(It would be better if I just
(It would be better if I just quit, but I'm in one of those moods, so to hell with it)...
Cheaty McSweatervest was well thought of and one of the highest paid people in his profession as well.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:37 PM |
I agree w/ Chitown Blue
I agree w/ Chitown Blue
Makes sense.
June 2nd, 2011 at 12:37 PM |
Props to chitownblue2 for an
Props to chitownblue2 for an
Props to chitownblue2 for an intelligent post.
Most OSU fans want Gee gone, but as chitown said, what's important to sports wackos isn't really that important in the big boy world.
OSU has $5 billion in revenues. OSU football has about $100 million. It's a small piece of the pie.
Rumor has it that Tressel was forced to resign because Les Wexner (and his $100 million check) no longer supported him. That's $100 million in pure profit.
It's the ADs job to take care of these things while Gee gets the real money to come into the University treasury.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:35 PM |
Yeah, but...
Yeah, but...
...didn't you say it was all nothing, and Tressel wasn't going anywhere? There must be a reason more than tatt's that people are removing their $100 million support.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:34 PM |
I was young and silly back
I was young and silly back
I was young and silly back then. You should be more supportive in these difficult times.
(note to self: certain Ohio State scout insiders are dumb)
June 3rd, 2011 at 1:04 AM |
There's a reason you didn't create an OGoBlog App
There's a reason you didn't create an OGoBlog App
But most Scout Insiders are dumb.
And there is no "supportive" option in the new mod system, so will "Informative" do? They both have "tive"...
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:34 PM |
Well, Duderstadt might disagree with you
Well, Duderstadt might disagree with you
He certainly lost his relationship with the regents and wasn't as welcome here after some questionable manipulations of the athletic department without consultation.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 AM |
Probably. Although, with how
Probably. Although, with how
Probably. Although, with how seriously Ohio State takes football, I wouldn't be surprised to see his "resignation" if they get tagged with lack of institutional control. Gene Smith is a goner. Gee... perhaps.
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:44 AM |
The problem is
The problem is
The problem is that with his whiney comment about hoping Tressel doesn't fire him, he clearly showed that OSU it was sports and football in particular is what really matters. Yes he may be a good college administrator, but going from Vanderbuilt to OSU, the dynamic of what the alumni care about changes drastically. I think he came off as exceedingly weak willed, and that the priority at OSU is sports. He should probably stayed at Vandy. I think he should get the axe, the board of trustees cannot be happy with the way his public image is looking.
Semper Fidelis
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:52 PM |
Gee and Vanderbilt
Gee and Vanderbilt
Interesting that you should metion Gee and Vanderbilt. Vandy is my second alma mater (got my MBA there). When Gee was there he did this high minded academic act and abolished the athletic department. Now at tosu he plays buffoon to the football coach before he fires him. A Nashville columnist's take:
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 AM |
Not that it has any effect on
Not that it has any effect on
Not that it has any effect on the decision, but Wilbon and Kornheiser both were in complete agreement that Gee and Smith should be removed. Wilbon was pretty fired up about it and how buckeye nation is making Tressel out to be a martyr.
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 AM |
I hope not
I hope not
Gee and his AD lap boy ought to both be gone. But given it is "The" OSU they will probably get raises and new cars.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 11:49 AM |
Dudes, University Presidents
Dudes, University Presidents
Dudes, University Presidents have about 10,000 more important things on their plate than the football team.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:36 PM |
I really feel like you're the
I really feel like you're the
I really feel like you're the only one on this thread who really gets this. As sports fans it's quite narrowminded to think that a president should be fired over the transgressions of his football program. If this was something constituting an environment that the president was personally helping to foster which had to do with abuse, harrassment, etc., things of that nature that deal with a larger issue, than perhaps it might be warranted. Another more sports related incident would be where Bill Clements actually told the football program to continue paying the players even though the NCAA had already cracked down on SMU. And for the record not only did Clements not get fired, he went on to become governor of TX.
This doesn't even come close to warranting the dismissal of the school president.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:48 PM |
I agree completely, but you
I agree completely, but you
I agree completely, but you can't deny that his national reputation is taking a beating. At some point (and I'm not saying Gee is there) it will impact his ability to do the other 10,000 things, as chitown put it.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 9:37 PM |
Slight correction
Slight correction
Clements had already been re-elected before the repeat offender clause was handed down and it was public knowledge he has orded already committed payments to continue. He might not have been re-elected otherwise. But yes, I don't believe he was removed by the board.
Using the term Wildcat to describe a direct snap to anyone other than a QB is like calling any rock band from the early 90s Grunge.
June 2nd, 2011 at 2:46 PM |
This is true from a day to
This is true from a day to
This is true from a day to day concept. Howeva, don't kid yourself regarding how critical this type of news is. Like at M, the OSU football team support all of the other nonrevenue sports. OSU obtains academic donations from folks that attend football games. This is priority number 1 for Gee now, and has been since it first developed.
When did your mother let you out of the basement Mr. Rosenberg?
June 2nd, 2011 at 2:57 PM |
I will guarantee you that the
I will guarantee you that the
I will guarantee you that the vast majority of their revenue is unrelated to football or athletics.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 9:42 PM |
A quote to back you up
A quote to back you up
In his book on intercollegiate athletics, the Dude (not the one that abides, James Duderstadt) tells of a conversation that he had with Bo when he was a VP of something (maybe student affairs, or Vice Provost or something like that) and Bo asked, "What if 10% of Michigan stadium went unfilled?" to which Duderstadt replied, "What if 10% of the beds in the hospital were empty." Bo got the point very quick. Athletics, even at Michigan are a tiny, tiny part of the equation.
Endowments alone at Michigan dwarf all sources of revenue/income/donations at Michigan State. Then throw in the medical campus, school of engineering and it's work, etc ... and yeah, athletics, while extremely visible, is a small fraction. Furthermore, the Dude asserts that research (as of the early 2000s) that giving rarely changes based on athletic success. If anything the totals usually stay the same, just money gets diverted from one area to another.
Using the term Wildcat to describe a direct snap to anyone other than a QB is like calling any rock band from the early 90s Grunge.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:53 PM |
I Agree With You
I Agree With You
99.99% of the time BUT in this case I think Gee may be backing himself into a corner. Normally this is something that doesn't touch the President, just the AD.
BUT!
Coming out in vocal support of his AD (dumb), recently saying "his job is safe" (seriously dumb), and that cluster fuck of a press conference with Tressel AND unwittingly publicly lying again with:
"There are no other infractions and this is an isolated issue"
WHOOPS.
The public nature of these fuckups is a tremendous black eye for OSU and it's image even beyond football with Gee's comments. The fact that at this point he still supports his AD one would have to seriously question his judgement. While I understand he has done great things for the university, I am not totally convinced he survives this.
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:53 AM |
No.
No.
He will 'retire' within the year....
Reality is an illusion created by an unsafe drop in blood alcohol levels that exposes one to the idiocy of others.
June 2nd, 2011 at 12:00 PM |
I thought Gee should be fired
I thought Gee should be fired
I thought Gee should be fired the minute I saw his tweedy little bowtie. What a prick.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:54 PM |
I've said it before
I've said it before
And I'll say it again:
Dhani Jones agrees with the Doctor:
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June 2nd, 2011 at 12:06 PM |
This is so Nixonian it isn't even funny.
This is so Nixonian it isn't even funny.
An equally revealing commentary, offered up by none other than Gee himself, ran alongside that story. Mistakes were made, he says, without offering an apology or a hint of culpability. Then he does what every good politician does: he spins.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
June 2nd, 2011 at 12:11 PM |
Of course he will
Of course he will
contrary to popular believe there is a little bit more (not much more, mind you) to OSU than the football program. Aside from this debacle, credible sources peg him as being an excellent university to president. If any other heads should roll it would be the AD, compliance, and most if not all of Tressels staff.
"Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?"
Ohio State's stature as an academic institution and a fund-raising power-house has increased dramatically under Gee, and he's a guy with a phenomenal reputation for running academic institutions (his last post was Vanderbilt). As much as it matters to sports-centric wackos, I tend to think that the performance and behavior of the football team is an infintessimally small sliver of what falls under his purview as University President. It would have to be a spectacular implosion to color what has been a generally riotously successful tenure.
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