Why can’t Michigan Stadium create a home field advantage?

Submitted by Qmatic on October 19th, 2019 at 11:45 PM

Watching the intro of Penn St about to walk out onto the field and seeing the atmosphere before kick off and early and late in the game I was wondering have we ever had an atmosphere like that? 

The only time I could think of was Under the Lights I. Penn St at night consistently has had a 12th man advantage in these games. They beat OSU in 16 and almost in 18 and now beaten us back to back. 

What can be done to where we at Michigan Stadium have this type of 12th man advantage in big games?

M-Dog

October 20th, 2019 at 2:21 PM ^

The losses are against Ohio State mostly, who absolutely dominated the Big Ten since the first PSU white out. 

But they played Ohio State very close in most of them, much better than their record otherwise would indicate.  It gave them a chance.

 

A Lot of Milk

October 19th, 2019 at 11:55 PM ^

It's mostly made up. There's no real correlation between "home intensity" and record. It looks cool on TV but penn state lost at home twice last year including their white out. It's to make fans feel involved and that they make a difference but the truth is most teams just play bad on the road in general, not because one crowd is more "Intimidating" than another 

crg

October 19th, 2019 at 11:59 PM ^

Michigan Stadium used to be a major home field advantage.  I attended for many of the games in the Lloyd years - saw it first hand.

crg

October 20th, 2019 at 12:54 AM ^

The OP implied we had none (and never really did) - I was replying to him.

In answer to you, I would say our home advantage is still there but has diminished over the past 20 years or so.  (Also, you really should excise the easy wins from that 29-4 record to get a truer account.)

Hard to precisely deconvolute the environment effects from the quality of the team through those years.  Some of it is more rival fans in the stands, some is the loss of the home dominance perception (App St really hurt that), some of it is restriction on the crowd (banning of pole flags and coolers, etc.), some just poor attendence, etc.

crg

October 20th, 2019 at 7:39 AM ^

Never said anything about actual noise level (ie dB measured at field level) - that is your interpretation.

However, when comparing crowds from recent seasons to those if the Lloyd years, I have noticed these differences.

crg

October 20th, 2019 at 5:30 PM ^

As I touched in my earlier post, some of the factors are easy to see.  For instance, look at the crowd composition for big games then and now (looking at colors, for example).  Much more of the visiting colors in recent (last 10 or so) years than during Lloyd's days.  Another aspect is the limitations set on the fans - they can no longer bring in all the equipment and regalia (flag poles, coolers, outside beverages, free programs, etc) - partly due to enhanced security after 9/11 and partly so they can be further gouged by the in stadium vendors.  As others here have pointed out for years, there is a trend moving away from long established seat holders staying together - some from people selling tickets on secondary market and others just choosing to buy tickets for only the interesting games of choice instead of season tickets - which is also related to the dramatic increase in price over the last few decades.

Those are only a few trends I have observed being in the stands.  I also alluded to how others view the intimidation factor of being in the Big House.  One way to observe this is how the broadcasters portray the matchup/environment.  I recall in the early 2000s announcers would talk about how hard it would be our opponents (PSU, OSU, Iowa, and others) to come here and play well.  After 2007 and the RR/Hoke years that mystique has faded, if not disappeared - modern parity in college football has shown that anyone can beat anyone else, anytime and anywhere.  Rival fans are afraid for their team to play here and the fans themselves are afraid to come here (which they shouldn't be - we want people to acknowledge how great A2 is as well as our campus and stadium, but contrast this to the stories relayed here about our fans getting harassed and abused going to Columbus and East Lansing).

As I said, it is hard to precisely pinpoint the degree of home field advantage degradation (how can it accurately be quantified anyway?), let alone assigning causality.  However, I am claiming that it has happened noticeably just within the term of my fandom alone, which is not nearly as old as others here.

You Only Live Twice

October 20th, 2019 at 12:01 AM ^

there are apparently acoutistic limits to what we can do.  

If we could only do something about people selling tickets for big games.  And why wouldn't OSU fans buy those tickets, we have a reputation for being so nice.

A Lot of Milk

October 20th, 2019 at 12:14 AM ^

The university has said they're committed to limiting waste and that pom poms make a ton of it because the little plastic parts fall off. That's why they've been replaced by towels. But when you see every other team in the country with pom poms and Nebraska literally release tens of thousands of rubber and helium balloons into the environment every week, it kinda feels like our conservation efforts are for naught 

M-Dog

October 20th, 2019 at 2:32 PM ^

Or make them out of something that composts / decomposes easily. 

I have old maize and blue pom poms that were given out in the 80s or 90s that were made out of essentially tissue paper.  Unless deliberately preserved, they turn to dust pretty quickly.

 

 

UMxWolverines

October 20th, 2019 at 12:09 AM ^

Aren't we like 6-1 in home night games? I don't think we win next week but to say we don't have a home field advantage isn't true. 

I certainly wish they would stop being cheap and not handing out enough towels or pom poms for every person though. 

The Pharaoh of Filth

October 20th, 2019 at 12:11 AM ^

It is Michigan

Classy. Too good for that schlock.

Not interested in having rivals, night games or anything fun and crazy.

#MichiganDifference

#MichiganArrogance

vanarbor

October 20th, 2019 at 12:29 AM ^

I'm pretty sure we haven't lost since 2017 at the Big House... And c'mon, as if the White Out did much. We outplayed them on both sides of the ball.

M-Dog

October 20th, 2019 at 2:15 PM ^

They do.

SI did a very comprehensive analysis a number of years back to determine what caused home field advantage, which is a real thing.

They analyzed numerous factors and weighed their effects across multiple diverse sports over large spans of history.

The conclusion:  Referee excitement / intimidation.  The Refs are human, and the environment absolutely impacts them.

Shit, just look at the charges that Duke gets called in their favor at Cameron.  The Ref calling 5 of them in a Cameron game probably only calls 2 or 3 of them the entire rest of the season.