Sammy Watkins would have been sweet. We were in his final two
What recruit not committing to Michigan hurt the most in recent years
Yep. I live near Clemson and every time I see Sammy I still say, "He was supposed to go to Michigan!" What a great player and a great kid.
My opinion is that you shouldn't be happy that we didn't get a 5* running back and that Ty Isaac is not committed to Michigan so you shouldn't speak as if he is.
Getting a 5* running back who clearly didn't want to play for us?? Ohio can have him. It can only help our chances at bringing Isaac in.
You seem mad that we didn't get him and try to justify that by saying Ohio can have him. Having a 5* running back probably isn't a bad thing.
P.s. How did you start a thread with only 8 points?
Lol I'm not mad at all. We know Urban Meyer doesn't use his tailbacks in a way we should be worried about. I think it says something at his press conference when all he talked about was how he can't wait to get his hands on Braxton Miller. Why should we be concerned about a running back that doesn't fit his system? I would rather have them there then Iowa or Michigan state.
P.s. I dunno I've only posted twice
First, why did he only talk about Miller and not Dunn? Because that is a recruiting violation. Coaches cannot talk about specific players until the LOI is signed.
Second, it's maybe just possible that Meyer will say, "Hey, this Dunn kid is fantastic and I'm going to utilize him more than I've used RB's in the past!" Heck, Borges did a lot of things this year we hadn't seen from him in the past. If Meyer adapts (not a wholesale change, mind you) his scheme to his players, I can easily see Dunn fitting in. And I'm sure this is what Meyer told him.
Two more 1,000-1,500 yard seasons from Mr. Toussaint
hes a 4 star.
Everybody and their grandma is a 5 star on scout. Dont make that your basis
Dee Hart was the reason I started following recruiting, and the reason I am an addict today. Although the writing was on the wall for a bit, he was the recruit I was most excited about, and hurt when he left.
As for Brionte, good for him. We are still going to get good players, we do not need Brionte, it just would have been nice to swipe one more buckeye, just for bragging rights.
TO HOKE & CO: Go out and get Garnette, it won't matter who the RB is in the future.
I agree with you on all three points.
I got too wound up with the Pryor Parade because I thought he was someone who could really jumpstart us at the time. Little did we know what that would have done. I wish people would stop talking about Dunn so much...He would have been great here, but he followed his heart. Wish him the best except for "The Game".
I do think that Zettel picking PSU was the one that hurt the most being such a Michigan fan that he was.
Zettel is hurting more now. I can't say I feel sorry for him.
Top level rival 4 stars are 5 stars on scout. But it balances out because everyone and the grandma (besides Chris Wormley) are 4 stars on rivals.
Brionte is a 4*-5* back, ... probably a 4* at Osu, but would be considered a 5* for us, with our offense scheme and O line.
iPhone app glitch, allows you to create threads w/ no points.
Don't give out the secrets to the trolls...
Can we stop this every time a recruit picks somewhere else? Let's not live in an imaginary world where we wanted this guy to come to UM but since he chose OSU we're not sad. Good riddance, people like to say, but that's asinine and juvenile. "I'd rather have 22 Nick Sheridan's out on the field than one person who doesn't truly love Michigan in their heart of hearts" is the next post in this progression of sour grapes.
Admit you wanted the guy and are disappointed he left, move on just like he's going to. There's no reason to pretend "Oh I didn;t want him to play for us anyway".
I'm getting really sick of the mods on this site nixing everything they don't agree with. Just b/c they don't agree with it doesn't make it trolling or flamebait.
The mods don't determine what is flamebait, the community does.
he doesn't value your opinion. Ty isaac is one of the main RB targets of this years class. IMO the best RB not commited anywhere and with interest in Michigan since Dunn reaffirmed, so please quit policing threads. If you have it all figured out write your own story.
is in this class....
...you're just not well informed on recruiting matters. Don't mean ya can't post your "opinions", but really, if u gonna take the time - find out which class guys are in at least. K?
I was replying to someone who was trying to say another users statement was not worthy of it being a part of the thread. Im just sick of people doing that, K? If you actually read and understood what I was trying to say you would have seen Ty Isaac as being an RB target. My morning before work routine includes WTKA recruiting roundup, gobluewolverine subscription, and a rivals and espn recruiting website visit. Not to mention, before his departure, my favorite recruiting analyst who is no longer with us TomVH. It has been like this for the last 5 years. Before you go and judge anothers knowledge make sure your facts are straight.
EDIT: My Ty Isaac take was directed at aaronwils123. If my reply was not put in the correct spot I prob didn't do it correctly. Still, I never implied Ty as being a commit.
Might be time to lay off the football recruiting news a little bit...
You must be employed by the freep. Typical freep move. An ignorant reply without having any clue as to where my initial reply was directed. My advice to you, take it or leave it, read the posts but leave the comments to others. You were doing so well having just 37 pts over a 3 year period.
may not be commited but he's very interested in UM.
The rollercoaster ride that was Dee Hart had a pretty disappointing ending. After being the early favorites, then out of it, then to having him commit, only to see him bolt for Alabama, that was pretty hard to take. Perhaps moreso because at the time we badly needed a RB like him for the RR spread, and he could have been a real impact freshman. Of course now his recruitment doesn't seem like a big loss because we need bigger RBs, and we won 10 games this year without him....
Hart was the first guy that popped into my head, but Fitz rushed for a thousand yards this season. No matter what Hart did, it would only be a marginal improvement over Fitz, IMO. Going by that criteria, I'm sure it was a DT or interior OL in...2008? 2009 maybe? We could definitely use a five-star redshirt sophomore or junior next season at either of those positions.
DaQuinta Jones wasn't an elite prospect, but he has seen plenty of time at Arkansas on their DL since he stepped on campus and UM could really use a good 3 Tech DT in 2012.
What in the world is wrong that we daydream about 18 year old high school recruits who have never played a down of college football, taken a D-1 hit, given a D-1 hit OR made it through summer camp. Brionte Dunn? BFD. He will probably be eclipsed by some 2 star back out of Texas who goes on to have a breakout year at Ole Miss or some run-down program. It's very difficult to forecast.
I think HS player ranking have their purpose, but gettting upset we lost a HS running back when the college level is so complex (o-line play, play calling, injuries, opposing players, coditioning, etc.) it's mind-boggling we are here.Plus, we're talking 18 year old kids who have a lot of growing pains - emotional issues, physical issues, home life, friends, coaches.
Do we not trust Rawls? Or the ability for some other under the radar player to step up? Give me an underdog with the drive to be the best and I will take him over Brionte (about to get some tats) anyday. Take your crayons, tat up your body, and enjoy your 400 yard rushing season your frosh and soph year. You won't be a feature back. "Be calm and Run Dave?" Hah. Those days are over, welcome to crack rabbits running slots in Uncle Urbie's world.
AND, Brionte, don't say we didn't warn you....
can I plus 1 this? Im not well versed yet on the different nuances this site has to offer. Great take!
We were in the running for Barkevious Mingo at some point, too, weren't we? Maybe not. But since we're on the DL topic, how did Pearlie Graves pan out?
If we're talking about disappointments in terms of how kids panned out, I had REALLY high expectations when we originally signed Kelly Baraka. Shame his time at U-M ended the way it did. Apparently, he's boxing now...
We did get a visit from Mingo, so I guess we were in his top group.
Graves played it seven games last year, but left the program this year after not cracking the depth chart.
Here is Baraka fighting Cage Combat MMA. What a talent he could have been.
Honestly the only name I can think of is Terrelle Pryor. That said... its probably better in the long run that he didn't come here
If for no other reason than we will all remember him in 20 years and most of these other guys will be forgotten. But you are also right that it was the best thing for Michigan in the long run.
Bad for RR, but good for Michigan.
Well, it could be said it hurt OSU the most. Question doesn't specify "who". Got their coach fired.
But I guess that still remains to be seen.
It was a db that went to LSU awhile back but i cant remember his name....it was around the time when Burgess, Crable, and Woodley were either Sophs or Juniors.....
Eugene and bitterness over his recruitment if the rumors are true, are a big part of why Carr vetoed Les Miles. Was a big recruit at position of need that was in the bag that may have altered the course of Michigan football.
having a legit nickel corner rather than chris graham over anthony gonzalez in the slot? now i'm going to have a cry and eat ice cream just for having thought of that.
If you look at his recruiting rankings, sure. But, try looking at his actual career (underwhelming, even when adjusting for the level of the competition at LSU). Saying that he would have significantly altered the course of UMich football seems like a reach.
Referring to Miles/Carr tiff.
He just had to be better than Chris Graham at covering a slot to significantly alter the course of UM football.
If I remember correctly, he already had a son, and staying close to him was a big part of his change-of-mind.
Ted Ginn Jr. was a bad loss. Yes I know he's from Glenville but damn if I recall it was between us and Ohio, and as it turns out we lost to him quite a bit.
If we would have offered Ted Ginn when he camped at UM (rumor has it he wanted an offer so bad he was distraught when he had a bad showing). No one knows what could have been, but it could have been Michigan rather than OSU that had command of the Glenville pipeline, which would have produced a lot more high profile recruits over the years.
We also missed pretty hard on Desean Jackson. Apparently we took LaTerryal Savoy over him. Oops!
The dustup between Glenville and UM actually began about a year previous to TG Jr's recruitment when Sr took exception to LC's use or misuse of former Glenville player Pierre Woods. Sr had taken in Woods at one point in HS when he was living homeless in a car and had a very strong bond with him. Woods would eventually end on a high note, but the damage had been done by that point.
Justin King - as has been alluded to on this blog, we win the 2006 NC with him playing instead of Morgan Trent.
While on the topic of DBs, Jai Eugine could have helped too.
Don't get me wrong -- Leon Hall could have used some help back there. Also, I'm not a huge fan of Trent (on or off the field).
As with Jai Eugene, though, look at the results. IIRC Trent was drafted just a couple of rounds after King in '08 and actually has a longer NFL track record.
I have to comment on the NC, too. As everyone knows, we lost to OSU that year and it wasn't as close as the final score indicated. (Aside: I love -- not really -- how everyone turns that single Crable boo-boo into "playing for the NC." Lots of contingencies involved there ...) OSU got throttled by Florida. How would Justin King alone have vaulted the Big Ten representative (OSU/Michigan) over Florida?
The biggest reason for our defensive struggles in that game (well, aside from Troy Smith being just flat out brilliant for most of the game) were that we only had two functional corners. Thus, once Jamar Adams went out, we had to put Englemon (our nickle back) in at safety and had no ability to match up with multiple WR sets (thus Chris Graham on Anthony Gonzalez). People kill English for his strategy that game, but he was in a box once Adams got hurt. Even with Eugene not living up to his recruiting rankings, you have to figure he could stick with Gonzalez longer than Graham could.
Really, poor corner depth was the only weakness of that defense.
On the NC game: OSU got throttled on offense because Florida could match up with their multiple WR sets, allowing the extra split second for their pass rush (in particular Derrick Harvey) to get home. They literally ran something like 30 offensive plays the entire game.
We would have been much more competitive with Florida. We wouldn't have had as many problems with Florida's pressure, which mainly came through the left side, and Jake Long>>>OSU's left tacke. We still would have had difficulty matching up with their multiple sets, but I think we would have been able to get more pressure on Leak than did OSU, and other than the OSU game, our defense had few problems getting off the field.
We ended up playing the best team in the country in the Rose Bowl that year. Apart from a totally inexplicable loss to UCLA, USC's in the championship game no question.
can you get video of both games and do a break down? that'd be great reading.
This idea that we somehow have Ty Isaac locked up needs to stop. A similar opinion permeated the Dunn affair.
Kris Frost was pretty bad.
Yea, we thought Frost was a lock for sure, then he turned out to like Auburn more even they don't have a scholarship for him.
Yea he was a lock for Michigan.....hell his fav player was MR WOODSON growing up....
He would have been a nice get for us. Like Dee Hart he had a season ending injury over the summer.
I would have said Terrelle Pryor, but if he had gone to Michigan, it may have been the Wolverines who would have become collateral damage in his wake.
In basketball, because one player can make such a huge difference, there may be some good arguments. In football, though, no one recruit really hurts the program very much, especially in the long run, by not going to Michigan.
I had the same thoughts about Pryor. At the time it seemed like a huge loss. Now, not so much.
The player that might have helped the program the most (Cannot believe I am saying this) might have been Jimmy Clausen. I cannot gaurantee Rodriguez wouldn't have started Nick Sheridan over him, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt...
had he stayed - we wouldn't have had to endure the Sheridan era.
In terms of missing out on recruits - Demar Dorsey on being eligible (though the emergence of Blake Countess has mitigated that)
I sure hope we go after Denards Cuz.....hope he gets his act together....
Brionte Dunn - Long battle and lost in the end
Kris Frost - Same as above
Dee Hart - Same as above
Sam Montgomery - Great player and we got a visit
Terrelle Pryor (at the time at least) - Long battle and lost in the end
Sammy Watkins - Great player and his second choice
Anthony Zettel - Seemingly lock that in the end wasn't
Valdez Showers - Look at that damn name. He HAS to make this list
Jake Fisher - Last minute switch
Nick Perry - Top in-state recruit that got out
Ronald Johnson - Ugh...
Joseph Barksdale - Pipeline school but we didn't even get a visit
Vernon Gholston - Great college player
Jonathan Hankins - We messed up big time here and now he's a starter for Ohio State
Dillon Baxter - Almost a last minute switch for the 5* recruit
Tony Jefferson - Got a visit and he's a pretty good player for Oklahoma
Kenny Stills - An even better player for Oklahoma...
Marcus Hall - Got a visit and he ended up going to Ohio State. Glenville kid as well.
Ted Ginn. Jr - Got the visit and was the 2nd best player out of high school
Was it Ginn as well or Troy Smith that wanted to go to Michigan but didn't get an offer or something? Can't remember
All I can remember right now. All of those players would have been great to get. Most of them were highly rated and the ones that weren't, turned out to be great players.
This thread is the best. Can't think of any other names that would have looked great in the maize and blue. Personally, I think Frost was a huge loss. His athleticism would have fit perfectly with Mattison's schemes.
Marquis Maze - the name and he is talented. He was committed for a short time, until the home state team called.
Nick Perry or RoJo...both great players in college who were all but UMs. that sucked losing both of them
Perry had a great season at USC this year - 9.5 sacks. Letting those two get out of state was a real sign of how recruiting had slipped at the end of Lloyd's tenure.
I wouldn't mind having DeQuinta Jones on the d-line next year.
Jones hasn't really done much at Arkansas. I would rather have Tommy Schutt, Sheldon Day, Devon Still, Tim Jernigan, and a bunch of other guys.
I believe he's missed this season due to injury. He had eight starts last year as a true sophomore.
CAREER SUMMARY: Jones has appeared in 24 games with 11 starts. He has recorded 62 tackles, 4.0 for loss with 2.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, two quarterback hurries and two pass breakups.
Regardless, I only mentioned him because he wasn't listed, not because I wanted him anymore than any other DT.
It was Ginn.
...in fact iirc was taking his official or unofficial during '03 ohio game. Supposedly he was trying to get guys to join him @ ohio even while standing on Mich sideline.
His dad just hated Lloyd for some reason. That's 1 reason getting Frank Clark was huge, whether he turns out to be a star or not... Glenville pipeline would not hurt!!!
Ginn Sr. thought that Lloyd gave Pierre Woods a raw deal, which, looking at his relatively long NFL stint (especially for someone who received little college playing time) may be true.
Ginn got offered, but not until later than he and his dad wanted.
We missed out on Ginn, but I see that as a blessing in disguise. As good as a player that he became that guy was dumber than a rock and had an ego that filled the room. I have a feeling he struggled to spell his name. I have met two student athletes in my life that were just completely uneducated people. Ted Ginn and Charles Rogers. There was no fixing these two men.
It would have been really nice to get Kenny Stills. Our WR depth wouldn't look so bad right now.
I don't feel bad about Dillion Baxter. He is having his share of issues at USC and was thinking about leaving because he didn't get playing time. He forced Lane Kiffin to meet with his family about the situation.
You might want to add Sean Parker to the list. He would have been a true centerfield type safety who was a last second switch to Washington.
Didn't RoJo end up playing receiver at USC? Our receiving corps was pretty loaded at the time, whereas USC was losing Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett. We were recruiting RoJo as a DB, but it seemed like his heart was set on WR.
Also, RoJo going to USC opened up the door for Donovan Warren, whose commitment to Michigan was somewhat unexpected. Warren might have gone elsewhere if RoJo came to Michigan as a DB.
Or a more recent basketball recruit: Alex Legion. At the time we thought he was going to save the program, and then he went and committed 4 other places and transferred 3 times.
Jai Eugene (LSU) and Cam Colvin (Oregon) both had me very disappointed at the time, but neither of them really panned out, so the loss really wasn't too bad.
Vernon Gholston is probably my choice for one that hurts the most. Beast of a player in college. Would have loved to have had him on our side.
VERNON Ghlolston? Who's that?!
One of the first big losses in the rivals era was Travis Johnson, I believe the original went to bed a Wolverine but changed his mind last minute after a trip to Bobby Bowden's house. Was a big time DE when Michigan had nobody at the position. That was back when I really used to get broken up about this kind of thing.
Charles Rogers didn't hurt as much you could see it coming, but I believe he ends up at Michigan if he was going to qualify. He knew he wouldn't and he knew Michigan wasn't going to prop him.
Dre Kirkpatrick, no doubt.
He was never really considering us.
Why is Dunn considered such big loss? Dee Hart, rojo, Pryor etc were unanimous 5 star, top 25 talent. I get that Dunn is underrated, but is still not even a top 100 player to rivals. Not to mention, we still have 2 years of Fitz, so he would have been little more than an insurance option in the near future.
I certainly would've taken him, but IMO the only reason he's a "big" loss is we lost out on an opportunity to take another high level recruit from Ohio and beat Meyer in one of the first head to head battles between him and Hoke for a top Ohio talent. And, we spent a lot of time on him that now in hindsight could've been better spent elsewhere.
Not that it matters, or anyone asked, but it is also my opinion that Meyer recruited Dunn so hard not because he would help Ohio that much, but rather because he would've helped Michigan more.
We went 3-9 with the Sheridan/Threet combo. Pryor wins us a couple more games at least (Toledo, maybe Utah, Purdue, Northwestern). Bowl streak maybe stays alive.
Just because he had a lot of issues at Ohio doesnt mean that he would here. It is pretty clear that they had a culture of issues there and young people can be easily swayed when "everyone is doing it". Michigan might have worked out better for him.
beyond elated he did not join us now. He is just a bad person. No thanks.
What about since we were under RR we had no shot at mark Ingram! Had we kept a pro offense... Mallet and Ingram running the offense would have been very nice...
We would never have had a shot at Mark Ingram. His dad played at MSU and is buddies with Nick Saban. If he hadn't gone to Alabama, he would have gone to MSU.
Or how about Ryan Mallett not staying?
But in retrospect I think the biggest disappointment would be the classes of 2005 - 2006.
At one time or another I seem to remember we were in on not only Justin King, but Tony Moeaki, Rey Maualuga, Nic Harris, Dace Richardson, and Mohamed Massaquoi in 2005.
The following year we had shots with Beanie Wells, Taylor Mays, Sam Young, Percy Harvin, Myron Rolle, Joe Thomas, Darrin Walls, Knowshon Moreno, and Thaddeus Gibson.
Add in Jai Eugene and chuck in Les as the coach instead of RR and suddenly you have a team that embarrassed Tressel more often than not.
Oh well, what might have been.
Bettis is my pick, too. My heart broke the day he pledged to ND.
Dammit, you stole my response.
Seriously though, didn't he visit? I think we were in his top 5.
Actually, he loved Loeffler. Michigan was his 2nd choice, albeit a very distant second. Had he been at Michigan, he would have definitely smoothed the transition from Carr to Rodriquez. He would have been a great fit in Rodriquez's offense.
Interestingly enough, it was Greg Mattison who recruited him to Florida.
Our defenses sucked during the RR years, but having a dominant pass rusher from the edge would have helped tremendously.
He's doing very well out in LA.
It wouldn't have mattered which defensive back(s) we got over the last few years, Tony Gibson would have made him suck.
I hate to say it, but Pryor was the biggest difference maker. We probably would have made it to a bowl game in 2008 with him at the helm, because our defense wasn't EXTREMELY horrible that season. You have to figure that we would have beaten Toledo (lost by 3 points), we might have beaten Utah (lost by 2), and we would have had a good shot at beating Purdue (lost by 6).
And even if we didn't make a bowl game in 2008, it would have happened in 2009. A sophomore Pryor would have been superior to a freshman Forcier.
I don't mind too much that Pryor didn't come to Michigan because he's a complete and utter jackass. Coaches can make a difference, but ultimately, it's his parents/home life that made him that way. Even with a better atmosphere at Michigan, Pryor would have found a way to embarrass himself.
Because he is fat, lazy and takes some plays off?
I'm OK with not getting him if he did not want to be here, you can't win every recruiting battle and Ohio (not Bobcats) is the school he grew up with. I get it. Ohio is always going to get great players.
But we targeted him and spent a lot of time and energy in his recruitment that could have been spent elsewhere. That always pisses me off.
Ohio is recruiting as if it has assurances that NCAA is not going to drop the hammer, which also pisses me off.
USC recruited in a similar manner in the 2011 class AFTER its penalties were known. I highly doubt Ohio State is going to avoid significant punishment.
We could have been putting more time in on someone we really needed like another DT, OL or WR
Wes Brown would have been a great pickup for UM, and he would have kept the Good Council pipeline open.
Not getting a GC kid in 2012 is not going to close the pipeline completely. We are showing early interest in some 2013 GC kids and they have several D1 prospects again.
It is going to be a battle to get Isaac .. He is a stud. His offer list is going to be huge, and we have to make a strong push and keep on him. We cannot afford to lose out on one of next years top 10 backs. The reason why Dunn was such a big loss is our lack of depth at RB. Losing out on Dunn means we need Rawls to step up in a big way next year.
Or, you know, rely on those guys who ran 1,000+ yards this year. Rawls needs to develop for sure, but he's not critical to next year.
I just really wanted to be able to say that name every week. Its effect on my quality of life would have been noticeable.
That, and Mingo is really, really good at a position we kind of definitely need.
Surprised nobody has mentioned Sam Bradford yet. Where LC apparently never returned his phone call and consequently thought we weren't interested...?
You're thinking of Janoris Jenkins, the cornerback from Pahokee. Jelani Jenkins was a 5 star linebacker from Good Counsel (Same high school as Blake Countess) who also went to Florida.
Jelani was a class of 2009 linebacker.
Janoris Jenkins was a class of 2008 corner who got booted
I think I read somewhere that Janoris Jenkins has been tearing it up at a lower level (FCS?) and is a good looking NFL prospect.
I don't think having Justin King over Morgan Trent in 2006 would have made a huge difference. And we were trounced in the Rose Bowl, so I imagine we would have been trounced by Florida in the NC game, too. King hasn't exactly lit it up in the pros (2 career interceptions) and was a 4th round pick. Trent (1 career pick and a 6th rounder) hasn't been great, either, but the point is that the difference between a 4th rounder and a 6th rounder is not a certain berth in the NC game.
I don't think the argument is for Justin King over Morgan Trent (unless they were competing for one spot, which I can't imagine, since Trent came in as a WR). It's for King and Trent, thus allieviating our glaring problem with cornerback depth.
Boom, I win.
And yes, KG was going to Michigan.
(Oh, and Tim Tebow for football, HANDS DOWN. Everyone would've ate that stuff up and had no problem had he been wearing a winged helmet and dominating Ohio for years).
Eric Lindros. Apparently Red almost had him.
The first battle we lost that I was pissed about was TJ Duckett. I wanted him bad. He was a man-child coming out of Kalamazoo. I lived a few blocks from his high school. Carr visited and tried his best but MSU won out.
Any status on him? There's still a chance, right?
I think Nick Perry and RoJo were the biggest ones toward the end of the Carr regime.
But if this thread is started about 9 months from now I think the answer might be Hankins. While we hope and pray that someone can play a decent DT for us next year he's going to be a 3-rd year starter for Ohio State after he really wanted to go to Michigan and the coaches slow played him for some reason.
RoJo was an undrafted wide receiver, and in his place, we got an undrafted cornerback. Both were upper echelon UFA types, but in the grand scheme of things...the RoJo-for-Warren tradeoff was basically a wash.
but your point holds
Hankins - RR's staff were underwhelmed with his conditioning. I'm not saying he's fat 'cuz I also need work in the conditioning area :)
He had all of 1 tackle and 2 assist in the game last month, plus 1 for loss, so I'm not concerned about him, it's not like he dominated. I am concerned about the Dline depth like everyone else, he would have helped.
without question. Our front 7 on D in 2006 was one of the best ever. It was on a Miami 2001 level. If we had Rojo and King commit (they were very close) and paired them up with Leon Hall, wow. That D would've been considered one of the best ever. Ohio State couldn't have spread us out and that defense would've killed Leak and Tebow.
that Rojo was a 2007 recruit?
A few years ago a top tier WR chose Oregon over us, I was shocked. You know what, I can't remember his name and haven't thought about again until now.
I had forgotten about him. He didn't become that good anyways
Nicely done Nick, you are right!
My point is it doesn't really matter all that much because a lot of factors play into whether a kid is successful or not. Colvin was a 5* recruit that really didn't do very much, 74 career receptions I just read. Dunn might be an all-american, but I think his chances for that level of success are less in Meyer's system, vs. Borges.
With Rawls, Fitz and Drake I think we're okay at RB. I'd still like another OL, CB and WR and lets call it good.
I'm going with Jonathan Hankins right now. Hankins would have been a serious tandem with Mike Martin, and would have also softened the blow we're going to take from Martin graduating. I'm worried about our DT's next year.
I have always said the same thing about Michigan talent. On par, just not as many recruits. Personally I think the sheer number of recruits comes from several factors. Michigan schools overall are not very large in population. ( average public school population around 700. I think that plays a role in the overall number of recruits. I also feel that population and the demographics hurt Michigan. We have one large city with surrounding suburbs. We have several nice size towns, but not nearly as many as ohio. Those 'towns' take football very serious in ohio. I often visit my friend who lives and works in a dump known as Findlay ohio and I laugh when I watch the news because they devote about 60 percent of the sports segment to hs football, 30 percent to ohio and about half minute to the browns, cavs, and any other bad team in ohio. Imo the basic demographics have a lot to do with ohio having more talent. Plus it helps osu that getting accepted to their 'public university' is like getting accepted to a community college. The standards are easy to meet, therefore you have entire families in which everyone has graduated from the same university. Call me hypocritical, but I think it's just low standards. Smart business though because they are getting their$. That's my rant. Take it for what it is.
Myron Rolle, kid would have been a perfect fit at Michigan.
I've seen us lose all kinds of great players (at least on paper) over the last 35+ years I've followed Michigan recruiting. A lot of them have mediocre college careers at other schools, so losing them doesn't matter at all. But, even the ones who end up good, you tend to forget about. It's always better to focus on the ones we got otherwise recruiting can drive you crazy.
That being said, I'll throw in Myron Rolle. A great 5* DB from New Jersey who we lost to FSU. He was a great student who wanted to study medicine. I never could understand given that, why he chose FSU over Michigan. Ended up being a Rhodes Scholar. Despite that, he seems to be doing very well and I'm happy for him.
For what type of medicine he wanted to study, FSU had the better program. Overall medicine school Michigan may have been the better choice but for his specific area of study FSU had the better program. My brother's best friend was in the same/similar program and had a few classes with him and said the kid was a total dork for medicine. Kinda funny how such a big nerd would be so good at football as well.
The same friend walked on FSU's football team as well but quit after a few weeks of being a human blocking dummy and not being able to lay a finger in anyone remotely close to seeing PT. The only reason he made the team was of his 4.0 gpa which looks good for team statistics and graduation rates. He said his final straw came when coaches would ask starters to do a certain drill/task and the player would respond to The coach literally saying, "F-you, coach. I ain't doin that sh!t." He couldn't believe some of the players on their teams.
If you are talking about Family practice/primary care with a sports med fellowship, I guess I can see that, but if you do well at a UMich residency, you should be able to take your pick of sports med fellowships as oppposed to a medical school that was recently created.
If you are talking about Ortho Sports Med, you're incorrect.
In addition to the Michigan teams, I know the Ortho staff have contracts with the U18 Hockey team out of the ice cube, as well as the US National Ski team for starters...
But I know the specialty he went to FSU for had the better program. Im sure the kid did his homework on the matter.
Not sure that we were ever really that close with him, but Markevious Bingo is an absolute monster now and has the greatest name in NCAA history.
I'm not sure which is better - his real name (Barkevious Mingo) or your interpretation (Markevious Bingo).
Markevious Bingo was a Star Wars era bounty hunter, no?!
That is a debate that could rage for awhile. Granted, Barkevious is traditional, but Markevious has a certain unique ring to it.
I haven't seen Percy Harvin listed. We were in his top 5 or so, although I think it was really a Florida/USC battle. What a game breaker. Imagine him lined up with Super Mario in the same backfield.
I still regret missing out on Munchie Legaux.... the name... would have been awesome.
Despite what happened at OSU, I've got to go with Pryor. He got OSU in trouble because he was a head case, but he had lots of company, and his coach was a cheater. RichRod was not a cheater.
Pryor would have made a huge difference on the 2008 team. Huge. With Pryor at QB, there's a good chance that we win a few more close games and go to a bowl game that year. The scores in the Penn State and OSU games are more respectable. RichRod is validated. More people buy in. History changes. Dramatically, I think. Pryor coming to Michigan would have changed the course of history ala Back to the Future. Pryor would have been to RichRod was Halo was to the original X-Box.
Pryor would have made a huge difference in 2008. Hands down. Regardless of the off the field stuff, he would have made that team instantly much better. I actually thought that the Michigan offense with RR better suited him as he could rely on his running ability and not so much on his passing. He was college-ready from day 1 and could have started instantly on a team that was desperate for a spread QB.
We win at least 7 games that year maybe even 8 because our defense was still some what good.... Crazy how one player can really change a TEAM sport
Pryor in 2008 would have been an ultra-special case. A perfect storm made the Michigan QB position in 2008 the single most critical point of failure for as long as I have been watching Michigan football.
Would I have enjoyed life a little bit more if we had landed Jonathan Hankins, Jai Eugene, or Ted Ginn, Jr? Possibly. But I think that a stud dual threat guy in Rodriguez's first year would have had more long term impact on the program than any other guy that Michigan has ever whiffed on. In 2008, there was probably some threshold win level at which Rodriguez would have had enough credibility to prevent the wolves coming out to feed. I think that 6-6 in the regular season plus a crappy bowl win would have been enough. That would mean no Freep jihad, more buy-in, and fewer defections.
The big theory when RR was hired was that his first year is usually not that great but a good jump occurs in the second year once the players know the system. However, that didn't happen with one of the bigger reasons probably being RR had a true freshman starting at QB and 2nd string. Had RR gotten Pryor then in 2009 he has a QB with a year under his belt in the offense and maybe that jump that so many envisioned actually would have happened.
A medicore 7-6 season in 2008 followed a 2009 with the jump that was anticipated probably finds RR in a comfortable position heading into 2010 instead of being on an extremely hot seat.
Beanie Wells - who was OSU all the way, don't get me wrong - may have tipped the scales in favor of Michigan in '06 and '07.
Joe Mauer, D J Williams, Jerome Bettis
To make up for the sting of not getting Dunn?
It is very close though
Love the post-Dunn reactionary threads. Always entertaining to watch people flip their opinions once a guy commits elsewhere.
If an 18 year old kid whom I've never met isn't going to go to the school that I think he should go to, he can't expect to have my support or even for me to be intellectually honest about his playing skills. That's fair, right?
Demar Dorsey. That one hurt for reasons other than the topic of the original post.
A solid DE can be a game changer. I would have liked both NIc Perry and Tom Gholston to be on the defense for Michigan.
because it was just such a stupid gambit by RR. We had an overwhelming need at DT and RR slow played the kid because he got tired at a junior camp. I guess he wasn't tired enough to play as a true freshman and start as a sophomore for our biggest rival. Just a terrible miscalculaiton amongst many by RR and his staff.
IDK. He's still uh, a bit heavy... and he had all of 3 tackles in the game. I'm not impressed.
EDIT: he also had a TFL.
The first two that come to mind are Nick Perry and Tyrelle Pryor. Both would have made a huge impact, imo. Also, I'm not convinced Pryor turns out EXACTLY the same because we don't harbor that kind of atmosphere in Ann Arbor.
The next two are Kris Frost and Dee Hart.
Jim Harbaugh 2008 recruit
Rick Mirer. We had a good chance at him and given that he won those 4 Heisman trophies like Beano Cook predict......wait, wut?
It was Ron Powlus who won the 4 Heismans. Don't you get ESPN Classic?
The real list is the kids we got and MSU wanted - - don't know where to begin.
Victor "Macho" Harris and Nic Harris are both guys who come to mind.
In theory, you can make the case that Justin stays, doesn't make up the family values BS, and now Hoke has a decent FB, and OSU is out 2 starters.
I think Watkins, but was curious to you all's thoughts!
RR's offense doesn't really utilize a fullback. Since Zach was never going to get an offer from RR not sure if that is one UM 'missed out on'. I'm guessing the OP is looking more at players/recruits UM was going after and failed to land.
ironically the guy who wrangled him away is now on staff
The most impactful misstep doesn't have anything to do with a particular recruit but rather with giving guys a 5th year in the 2006 season rather than signing new recruits. That year we only signed 19 high school players while offering a 5th year to guys like Carl Tabb and Darnell Hood who had little/no impact on the field the following season.
Essentially you are talking about 4-5 players who weren't around for the next four years. People have already mentioned the 2006 OSU game with respect to other players we missed out on signing, but having a couple extra freshmen DBs may have turned out to be the difference in that game. They certainly would have had a chance to see the field in the early part of 2007. Another option aside from Obi Ezeh at middle linebacker may have improved the defense going forward for a few years. One or two extra senior safeties on the roster could have prevented the disastrous depth chart we saw in the second half of the 2009 season (Mike Williams, guys you can round up on campus, air).
Just a handful of run of the mill 3-star recruits could have made a huge difference in any/all of those areas. While over-signing is really bad, you also have to be careful not to under-sign or risk doing serious damage to your roster down the road.
Darius Winston, Ronald Johnson, Nick Perry, Daquinta Jones, Mark Ingram.......been quite a few over the years......last few years in the carr era and the rich rod especially.
They all want to play for Michigan and we have good coaches in place to develop their skills! I'm sure we'll sign a quality RB who will help with depth and perhaps compete for starting time in a few years. If Dunn really wanted to play for OSU, then he made the right choice.
Not even close. Pryor has to be number 1. Not using hindsight to our benefit, this can not be argued (at least in the last 5 years or so - I haven't been paying attention to recruiting for much longer than that). Pryor's recruitment brought all this stuff to a whole new level. He was the number 1 recruit in the country, dragged it out til PAST signing day, and he played a position that was CRUCIAL to this new cool offense that our new cool coach ran.
Past that, others that hurt a bunch were...
ALL DT's in the last 5 years that we've lost out on - especially the 2 that switched on signing day in 08(?, or 09?)
Reggie Williams - WR Washington Huskies
Terelle Pryor, hands down-
UM could have used some character guys like Terelle.
Eats hard work and discipline for breakfast and shits out free cars and gold coins.
Personality plus, now hes ripping it up in the "L" - shine on, you crazy diamond...
Because it would have been nice to have that pipeline in recruiting for the past 10 years