What level of faith do you have in Warde Manuel to not screw this up?
Will he open up the checkbook and hire a Tier 1 coach or will he go cheap and cite ethics as the reason. I'm tired of hearing about "culture fit" quite frankly because Michigan's basketball culture is winning, not having a nice guy as a head coach. I have a bad feeling this is going to be similar to the lacrosse search which may have ended with a decent coach but by all accounts was a disaster throughout according to those inside the lacrosse world. The fact that Porter Moser's name is anywhere near this search is a sick joke in and of itself. According to Sam Webb Warde is not even showing interest in Billy Donovan even though Webb has a source that says they would have a legit shot at him if they did. This is trending towards being a massive disappointment. We don't pay recruits so we better pony up and pay for a coach otherwise what the hell is a the point in operating an AD with a $185 million dollar revenue stream.
He is going to make a solid hire. We are going to continue having a good to excellent basketball program.
Can’t you just go away?
Edit - Nevermind
I think this is valuable conversation to be had though. There has been some insider info released today that hasn't exactly sounded promising
Not for nothing, but all of these insiders were also completely blindsided by Beilein leaving and are probably scrambling and repeating rumors they've heard.
My guess is UM will sign a good HC, and names being thrown out right now are wild ass guesses as much as anything else.
I will gladly welcome Moser as our head coach if that means Maizen would give up and go away.
Almost none. I fully expect a mediocre to bad hire. The deck is fully stacked against him, and I don't trust his judgment to begin with.
Zero as well - he's just a guy in charge of things. The plugged in guys at 247 have all stressed that Moser is under heavy consideration and Sam explicitly said that he'd be very surprised if we show interest in Donovan simply because Warde doesn't think he's the right "fit". If he thinks someone who won two national championships at a major conference school isn't the right "fit" but Porter Moser is, then that tells you all you need to know. Rumors are it goes all the way back to a grudge over Florida getting Al Horford, which is so painfully believable.
EDIT: And wait, there's more! The poster Dotman on 247, who at this point appears to be merely a plugged in anonymous mouthpiece for Warde, posted the following (this is an excerpt):
Al Horford committed to UM. Then a couple of days later decommitted and immediately named Florida as his leader AND HE HAD NOT YET TAKEN AN OFFICIAL VISIT.
From personal knowledge, his decommitment was under duress i.e. wasn't him making the call.
The stain from that recruitment has never left those involved with the hoops program. Only way he gets considered if if somebody comes in with a nuclear powered power cleaner.
So embarrasing that this attitude actually pervades the current AD, and yet it is so Michigan. Besides the fact that nobody in a position of power 15 years ago is still around, weren't we just so gosh darn lucky that father Horford decided to not sell off Jon to Florida too? Because any time we lose a recruit it's because of an opposing coach personally handing over a pile of cash, right?
We need a Tennessee/Schiano style fan backlash if this type of talk continues out of the plugged in guys, and I already wouldn't mind ending the Manuel experiment early.
Ugghhh. If that is the reason that we aren't considering Donovan then we really are screwed. This is far less than even the supposed transgressions that got Les Miles blackballed from Michigan. We all know how well that coaching search turned out.
Reminds me of the time Michigan was above hiring Les Miles and Jim Harbaugh so they settled on Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke instead. Oh and that Tommy Amaker, what a great guy. Seems the only requirement to get a job at Michigan is to be considered a nice person. This is the most Michigan thing ever and it is truly embarrassing. The Board of Regents should fire Warde Manuel if he manages to botch this. Pick up the phone and call Billy Donovan dumbass.
Michigan was never above hiring Jim Harbaugh - Dave Brandon didn't like him and so he hired Brady Hoke. And that's because Dave Brandon was an out-in-front, "big time" AD that you're calling for, who swung his balls around and acted before he thought stuff out.
Warde might mess this up, but preemptively freaking out about it, while totally on brand for Maizen, is just wasted energy.
Dave Brandon and Michigan are/were one in the same, so please quit arguing semantics. There were a lot of people at Michigan seriously butthurt over Harbuagh's comments in regards to Michigan's academics. There were questions about his personality fit. It was more than just "Dave Brandon didn't like him." Leave it to UM to self sabotage for the pettiest of reasons. They did it with Miles, they did it with Harbaugh, and it sounds like they are doing it with Donovan.
Take my upvote dammit.
...or maybe Horford left because the coach he committed to was on shaky ground. Donovan has never been implicated in any NCAA probe and is actually friends with Beilein. This holier than thou act that goes on in the administration is getting worrisome. “Let’s cut the home run hire off the list...but that guy who had two decent seasons in the valley, is our choice!”
I’m honestly shocked there’s such a drumbeat for Donovan here... I’ve always felt his reputation was that he’s a slimy piece of shit. It WOULD feel like an out of character hire, IMO.
Tom Izzo covered up multiple rapes and you want to talk about slimy reputations?
Dammit, I can’t stop upvoting you today.
That's an amusing stretch. I thought this was supposed to be the smart people board, but I guess it's just as filled with blind homer rage as anyplace.
Nearly everyone in college basketball pays players, that doesnt make them a slimy piece of shit unless they harbor domestic abusers in their basements, blatantly ignore rapes committed by players, buy prostitutes for players, or any of that.
I could not give any less of a shit if Billy Donovan paid each of the players on his title teams a literal truckload of money. In fact, if it means well win back to back titles, I highly encourage it. I'll even donate.
Nearly everyone in college basketball pays players, that doesnt make them a slimy piece of shit unless they harbor domestic abusers in their basements, blatantly ignore rapes committed by players, buy prostitutes for players, or any of that.
I could not give any less of a shit if Billy Donovan paid each of the players on his title teams a literal truckload of money. In fact, if it means well win back to back titles, I highly encourage it. I'll even donate.
No thanks. I'm old enough to have been on campus during the Fab 5, and while that was fun, the wreckage left by Chris Webber wasn't worth it.
At some point, people are going to stand up and either allow the players to get paid or some programs are going to get curb stomped.
It's called cheat better. Because back to back title appearances mustve been a lot of fun. And we're at the point where it's happening everywhere, so as long as you're smart, nothing will happen.
You're thinking of Urban Meyer who was a coach at Florida at the same time and was in fact a slimy piece of shit.
I'm a Donovan fan but was never aware of anything seriously bad. Is there something that was under the radar (aside from that weird Horford story)?
Well he didn’t screw up the hockey hiring...How about we put the pitchfork down until the hiring is complete?
Red handed that to him on a silver platter, all Warde had to do was not fuck it up.
And he didn’t fuck it up. Brandon was handed Harbaugh on a silver platter and fucked it up. Martin was handed Les on a silver platter and fucked it up.
Look, I have no idea how Warde stacks up compared to his contemporaries. But the things people complain about with him are a bit comical to me, frankly. No, he hasn’t lowered ticket prices. Neither will the next AD or anyone else. No, he hasn’t openly ripped (insert person/ref/organization) we’re mad at. Honestly, what would ripping an official in public as an AD do for anyone? Do you think Michigan football has received better officiating since Harbaugh ripped the refs in 16?
If we end up with a garbage basketball coach, I’m all for being pissed. But the ‘Warde is clueless’ takes, as of today, get a bit old.
Warde almost screwed up the most obvious and easy hockey hire ever. I don't think he should get any credit for making the most obvious choice, and still almost fucking it up.
How did he almost fuck it up?
Didn't he almost hire the BU coach or am I extremely mistaken? Oh well fuck it, I don't care we can give him credit for Mel. He earned it I guess
You wanted Beilein gone, you got what you wished for. Now you've got to live with Warde making the call.
Literally half the fanbase wanted Beilein gone post-2014 during our 2.5 season swoon.
Can't hold that one against Maizen.
Literally, the 50% total is a complete revisionist myth. It's right up there with "No one wanted Brady to start over Henson."
The incredibly short-sighted, idiotic half the fanbase wanted Beilein gone post-2014 during our 2.5 season swoon.
FIFY
This is even more pitiful than normal, Maizen. You were the lead hater. You insisted that he would "never change" and that things would "never get better." Here, for example:
The recruiting, defense, and rebounding are issues that have been around 10 years and are never going to get better as long as he's still here IMO. Michigan hasn't won a true road game since February 2016. West Virginia has been better off since he left. Beilein had a nice two year run with a whole lot of "blah" before and after. Unfortunately, it feels like the program will be stuck in purgatory until a change is made.
But things did get better, and you have never had the integrity to admit that you were wrong or even that you were the one making those posts. And still (this past spring is representative) you never pass up a chance to take a shot at him.
And now you've gotten what you wanted and you're panicking.
For the last time I'm not Maizen you dumbass. Save that for 1201.
Of course you aren't.
Yeah, I'm not. Sorry.
Occam's Razor was my old account since you're inquiring. It got deleted on the transition over to the new site.
Huh.
Well, that's possible. I've been wrong before. But Occam's Razor was not deleted in the transition to the new site. Its last post was October 10. Your account now was started December 18...
The day after Diagonal Blue was axed.
hahaha..mic drop
This is quite entertaining...well done SJK
so you're saying that occam's razor would suggest that OP is not, in fact, occam's razor?
Oh my god this is probably my favorite mgocomment ever.
Look I know you’re a 50 year old that has the time to type monologues and internet stalk people, but I’m not Maizen. Full stop.
I figured my occams account either got banned or deleted since I couldn’t sign in anymore and took a break before getting back into it with the OC rumblings.
That’s the truth. Sorry, your creepy ass has an Internet fetish with Maizen but that’s 1201, not me.
I feel like there is a "Turbo" back-story coming.
Did Maizen go "Turbo"?
(sorry, been watching lots of wreck-it Ralph with my daughter)
"For the last time I'm not Maizen you dumbass. Save that for 1201."
That's exactly what Maizen would say
The only thing people won't hold against maizen is their bodies. That guy ain't getting laid anytime ever.
Wrong again. But you know who makes multiple appearances in this thread? Yourself.
Indeed. The first statement of mine that appears? "I think the argument for firing is a bit over the skis."
TBF, if Beilein had been fired, the timing presumably would have been much better and there would have been many, many more good options available.
This is not the situation that even Maizen wished for...
My confidence scale in him right now is about a 6/10
Edit: actually, now it's 4/10 after seeing that Sam is saying he's probably not going to call Billy
Unless he knows that Billy Donovan is definitely not interested and is going to avoid the public embarrassment he should be fired for not pursuing Donovan.