Week 13 Polls and Ratings - AP #12, Coaches #12

Submitted by Leaders And Best on November 17th, 2019 at 3:31 PM

Run down of the advanced stats after Week 12 and MSU win. As usual, FEI won't be out for a couple days so the F/+ (#15 before MSU) and FEI (#15 before MSU) are not updated at this time. Michigan made a slight jump in most of the advanced stats, but I doubt it will be reflected in the CFP rankings on Tuesday.

AP Poll #14:  http://collegefootball.ap.org/poll

Coaches Poll #14: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/football/polls/coaches-poll/

F/+ #??: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fplus

S&P+ #10: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28099946/sp+-rankings-week-12-battle-1-loss-teams

FEI #??: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fei

Massey Ratings #11 (#12 Power Rating): http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings

Sagarin Ratings #8 (#10 in Predictor): http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

ESPN FPI #10: http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings

SRS #8: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-ratings.html

538 #11: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-college-football-predictions/

Michigan's team statistical profile:

ESPN FPI: http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/fpi?id=130&year=2019

Massey Ratings: https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=4741&s=308075

 

- Despite dropping out of the Top 25 polls after their loss to PSU, Indiana looks more formidable in the advanced stats and rose in almost all of them despite the loss. Most of the ratings have Indiana rated around #30, but they have risen as high as #20 in S&P+ this week. S&P+ has Indiana almost equal to Notre Dame.

- Ohio State looks like a Death Star. Hopefully, Harbaugh and his band of rebels can find the single massive design vulnerability that will cause its destruction in two weeks. One can dream.

crg

November 17th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^

Everyone is fawning over OSU this season, but what exactly is their signature win?  Beating a Wisc team that lost to Illinois the prior week?  Or an AAC team (cinci) who hasn't really played anyone?  Sparty?

They are racking up video-game level points, but against mostly weakened competition.  I think they beat psu (since PSU has been lucky to pull off a few of their wins and is vulnerable), but if osu has to go against an actual elite team (which is not us just now, unfortunately)... I think they get an unpleasant surprise.

Leaders And Best

November 17th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^

It's not like OSU has been playing in the ACC or Pac-12. Big Ten is good this year, and OSU has run roughshod over it so far. Every game they have played has been pretty much over at halftime. Wisconsin gave them a scare for a fleeting moment.

OSU's two toughest games are the next two weeks, but it isn't like they haven't played anybody. Wisconsin is a #10-15 team. Cincinnati and Indiana are decent teams. OSU did have the good fortune of missing Minnesota and Iowa in crossover games this year, but I don't think that would have made much of a difference.

crg

November 17th, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^

Yet their "good" wins aren't even that great.  Wisc is the best item on their resume, but that was the same team that couldn't hold a lead against Illinois.  Indiana is Indiana - decent but but not really a great team.

Your claim of the Big Ten being strong us a bit misleading - the weakness of many of the lesser Big Ten teams is inflating the numbers of the rest (just like in the SEC).  OSU has a resume built almost exclusively on cupcakes and teams performing below expectations.  They will still probably win the Big Ten, but these conditions are not mutually exclusive.

charblue.

November 17th, 2019 at 5:04 PM ^

Clemson's best win came over  Texas A&M at home. And Clemson barely suffered a nick in the polls after escaping at Chapel Hill after Mack Brown went for two and the win instead of a tie. Reputation more than record is the reason Clemson rules nationally, albeit as a team way above the rest of the ACC.

Alabama is willing to play anyone as long as it's in their region of the country. But then none of the SEC teams look to play superior non-conference teams other than Auburn and LSU in recent years.

We've had Florida, Alabama in openers. Saban, as an old Big Ten coach, respects the game played up north and he will compete against anyone. But now he doesn't have to make any bones for his program, he sets the schedule and perpetuates his cycle of championship dominance on his terms. And that means don't put your season in jeopardy in Week 1-3.

Until playoff expansion wipes out the need for seasonal perfection, the bane of college football, even if it creates the anticipation that supercedes the same emotion on the pro level, perfection is a silly standard for any field of competition.

In the closing seconds of yesterday's game beteween Iowa and Minnesota, the play-by-play guy noted that the Gophers dream season was gone in loss, when all of its championship aims remain in front of them. Their performance at Kinnick wasn't perfect hence their loss of perfection in a game that romanticizes perfection as the standard for excellence, makes one lament their loss as even greater than its otherwise wonderful year --which continues.

jmblue

November 17th, 2019 at 5:19 PM ^

 Big Ten is good this year, and OSU has run roughshod over it so far

OSU certainly looks good, but they haven't actually faced most of the teams that make the Big Ten look good.  They haven't yet played their top two East opponents (PSU/Michigan) nor have they played Minnesota or Iowa.  Wisconsin has basically been it on their league schedule so far.

crg

November 17th, 2019 at 9:54 PM ^

LSU, for starters.

Has same record as OSU, but (as of today's Sagarin ratings) has played the 13th hardest schedule to date, while OSU has played the 51st.  Not only has LSU played better teams than OSU, they played them on the road.  The "toughest" games OSU has had this far (Wisc, Cinci) have been at home.

Leaders And Best

November 17th, 2019 at 3:52 PM ^

Why the arbitrary cutoff at top 4? I would argue that @Indiana on the road would be #5 right now, and that would have been laughed at before the season started. Indiana may not have the marquee win, but their play on the field has been around the #30 team in the country. That is nothing to sneeze at.

And I am not sure ranking the toughest games on the Michigan schedule means that much this year. Michigan is going to end up with a regular season SOS in the top 5. The schedule ended up being tougher than it even looked before the season.

gustave ferbert

November 17th, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^

Ohio is going to be our super bowl this year.  . . .

Prepare as best we can for Indiana obviously, but the season comes down to those cheating fuckheads in Columbus . . 

 

Muttley

November 17th, 2019 at 3:59 PM ^

If that had happened, then we'd have about a 3% chance.

  1. Michigan over @Indiana 77.0%
  2. Michigan over OSU 22.2%
  3. PSU over @OSU 15.7%

(My earlier post stating we'd win a three-way tiebreaker was wrong.  PSU would win via

(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 7 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.

https://btn.com/big-ten-football-division-tiebreakers/

 

rice4114

November 17th, 2019 at 4:23 PM ^

Michigan probably leads the nation with next week opponent being the top “also received votes” 

that #25 helps a lot. Although winning is all that matters from here on out. 

UM85

November 17th, 2019 at 5:32 PM ^

Ah, the craziness of CFB.  Mich has been playing well since the 2nd half of PSU and has a lot of talent.  But I was at the Wisconsin game and the interior of our D line just got caved in by the Badgers.  Maybe we've fixed that problem?  Please? Don Brown?  But I think being ranked 2 spots ahead of a Wisconsin who has the same record is so ... College Football.  And I love it. 

Bones032

November 17th, 2019 at 5:47 PM ^

Is anybody else annoyed that UF is ahead of us in the polls? Both teams have 2 losses, and both teams losses are against top 15 teams. 

UF beat Auburn at home, Auburn is ranked 1 spot behind Notre Dame. Our 2nd best win is against number 19 Iowa. UFs 2nd best win? That ugly ass opening week game again Miami, who is 6-4. 

Also their only game remaining is against FSU, so they will probably finish 10-2