Video for Mike and Mike why Michigan deserve to be in CFP Playoff
December 1st, 2016 at 8:04 PM ^
December 1st, 2016 at 9:17 PM ^
...but with an ever changing CFP committee and no public statements by individual members, this is basically a shot in the dark. They're no better than Mike Valenti putting us #7 or #8 in his BS rankings.
December 2nd, 2016 at 10:32 AM ^
But there have been public statements, and by the chairman. 538 is just way the fuck off on this one. Oklahoma has a better chance than we do? Colorado? Penn fucking State, who we smashed to tiny unrecognizable bits?
Okay, Adam, okay...
December 1st, 2016 at 8:06 PM ^
December 1st, 2016 at 9:12 PM ^
Do you follow 538? They actually gave that recent event a far higher likelihood than anyone else, and did not write the possibility of it off at all. That said, I'm a huge fan of Nate Silver--but I think the expansion to the new 538 has been lackluster.
538 could, of course, be right in predicting how the selection committee will behave, but the numbers seem pretty far off from what I would expect. I think there's a decent chance there's just not enough data on what the CFP selection committee will do to make any kind of reasonable model (they use the AP for a lot of the examples of how people vote, but we've seen some definite differences between the selection committee and AP voter behavior).
One potential problem with the model, specifically related to Michigan is with head-to-head comparisons. When describing their Elo portion of the model (which represents the committee's decision making) they don't mention weighting head-to-head games at all (hopefully there's some in the model, but it's at a minimum not a factor they consider as highly as others, and it may be hard to do in a large simulation since you're really comparing all the teams collectively, rather than any two individually). Head-to-head games is really Michigan's strength here--if the committee doesn't care about them, it's easy to see Michigan being jumped from behind. If they're important to the committee, then it's hard to jump Michigan since the main potential teams have lost to Michigan.
December 2nd, 2016 at 10:45 AM ^
If you predict a thing to be 35% likely, and everyone else predicts said thing to be <10% likely, and said thing happens...
That prediction wasn't "wrong". 35% likely means just that - it will happen sometimes (probably 35% of the time, in fact). Giving 6.5 points to Michigan against wasn't "wrong" - Michigan outperformed that, but that's expected variation. It's why you play the game.
But I do think 538 is underrating Michigan's chance here - they are going off of insufficient data and not weighting the particulars of this year highly enough.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:18 PM ^
I think it's basically 92% for the Buckeyes getting in is probably too low. Also, they said that if Bama loses they only have a 44% chance of getting in. I can't honestly see Bama dropping below #4 (probably #3) even if they lose.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:44 PM ^
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December 1st, 2016 at 9:34 PM ^
I agree they are trying to get clicks(That is the point of making a website, right? You want to make money), however, they have consistently been one of the best sites in predicting future results in political races and sporting events. Nate Silver is known as one of the smartest minds out there in terms of probability and statistical analysis. 538 as a website has lost a lot of respectability due to the most recent election, but if you listen to Nate Silver, he explains that all of his numbers were actually accurate, but his team decided to use "common sense" in giving the president-elect a lower chance of winning than the numbers suggested. Before then, 538 was probably the most accurate in predicting previous elections(as well as sporting events). Definitely not a random website
December 2nd, 2016 at 11:53 AM ^
December 1st, 2016 at 8:53 PM ^
How in the world are they supposed to project that? It's a comitee decision.
They can't even appropriately asses things they have actual data for.
And their "ELO" ranking puts Penn State, Colorado, and Wiconsin in front of Michigan. I want my click back.
December 2nd, 2016 at 6:03 AM ^
which means they're wrong. They're rapidly descending into Sports Science territory for me. They throw numbers around and hope everyone stands in awe and doesn't question what in the world they did to get there
December 1st, 2016 at 7:56 PM ^
video is funny though
December 1st, 2016 at 7:56 PM ^
Cool video thanks for sharing
December 1st, 2016 at 7:58 PM ^
Is anyone else worried about the number of trolls that are supporting us right now? Cowherd, Bayless and now Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dumb.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:01 PM ^
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December 1st, 2016 at 8:04 PM ^
Yes but this many blind squirrels finding a nut at the same time seems statistically unlikely.
December 1st, 2016 at 9:19 PM ^
Their paychecks rely on pissing people off so they pay attention and they generate clicks/views. What's the best way to troll the most college football fans right now? Supporting that Michigan should be in the playoff now basically devalues Clemson, Washington, Ohio State, Colorado, OU, Okie State, Penn State and Wisconsin.
So many clicks
December 1st, 2016 at 8:54 PM ^
I don't necessarily think they are wrong either, and I am sure I am a bit biased but the fact that I find myself actually agreeing with something Skip Bayless said this week, just as an example, is a testament to the very weird place I am in as a Michigan fan right now. What's even stranger is that it is a place I wouldn't complain about, being able to touch the floor of the CFP from our current position.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:11 PM ^
Trolls like to stick a finger in people's eyes.
It's a controversial thing to say that 2 teams that did not even win their division should get in over the conference champion . . . so they are jumping on the bandwagon to say it and hopefully piss off a bunch of people.
Whatever works for us. They will still be trolls with or without us in the CFP. Might as well get some publicity out of it.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:27 PM ^
At the same time, the whole meaning of "conference champion" has changed now that leagues have unbalanced divisions and the title comes down to a single game in December.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:29 PM ^
is that half of 11W is even talking us up.
December 1st, 2016 at 10:12 PM ^
Whaaa??? Are you serious? That doesn't seem right - they must be planning something. They can't seriously think they'd beat us on a nuetral field...
December 1st, 2016 at 10:19 PM ^
Overall, they don't think that we get past Alabama...but...they seem to be on the page of Colorado and Penn state wins + TV Ratings from The Game gets us in
December 2nd, 2016 at 10:55 AM ^
I don't think we get past Bama either (and won't till I see it happen), but I am almost 100% certain we'd give them a better game, win or lose, than Wisky , PSU, Clemson, Colorado, or Oklahoma would.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:02 PM ^
Should have eaten a lemon.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:02 PM ^
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December 1st, 2016 at 8:41 PM ^
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December 1st, 2016 at 9:03 PM ^
December 1st, 2016 at 8:05 PM ^
Don't know how you fix it, but the Big Ten needs to find a way.
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December 1st, 2016 at 8:10 PM ^
Eight team playoff.
All 5 P5 champs get in, plus 2 worthy at-larges, plus the top G5 team for political correctness / anti-trust reasons.
Still lots to argue and gripe about with the 2 at larges and the G5 team, so everybody will be happy.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:17 PM ^
That's fine for national titles, but it doesn't fix the Big Ten's problem. Divisions worked well enough when they were 5 teams, OK when it was 6, but with 7 teams in each division its just not a good way of figuring out the two best and determining a champion. Especially when the divisions get imbalanced. Has the Big Ten had either of its top two teams in its championship the last two seasons?
I mean, look at the championship game matchups this weekend. Four of the teams in the game are one of the top two teams? That's dumb.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:52 PM ^
December 1st, 2016 at 8:58 PM ^
I would much rather the B1G goes to a system where each team plays 8 regular season conference games. Then have a 4 team playoff for the championship. The four teams with the best conference record, using the current tie breakers are in. Home field would go to the top two teams for the semi-finals and the team with the best overall record gets the championship game at home. The other 10 teams are scheduled against each other and seeded by conference record. Top 5 are awarded home field advantage and they play thier 9th confrence game.
This system awards teams with better records the additional home game(s) opposed to the current system of every other year getting the extra conference home game.
This year it would have been.
#4 Wisconsin at #1 Penn State
#3 Michigan at #2 Ohio State
Never mind, this idea is garbage. Just take the two teams with the best confrence record and they play in the championship game. (K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid)
December 1st, 2016 at 9:54 PM ^
December 2nd, 2016 at 1:19 AM ^
The argument is much more valid this season, but doesn't really apply to last year.
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December 2nd, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^
Last year is another good example because Iowa played absolutely no one and kept skating their way through undefeated. The one good team they played, MSU, beat them. And then the second good team they played, Stanford, kicked the shit out of them so bad the game was over in the first quarter.
MSU I'm fine with, because even though the two key wins were kinda flukey, they still won. But I don't think its a stretch to say they were the third best team in the Big Ten and the Big Ten probably has a different champion if they are playing OSU or Michigan in the championship game. Ohio State was clearly the best team in the conference, but didn't get a chance to play because of dumb divisions.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:30 PM ^
I don't see why the winners of these conference title games deserve an automatic playoff bid. If an 8-4 team pulls the upset, it doesn't suddenly become an elite team, worthy of national-title contention. College football has never functioned that way. It's always valued the entire season.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:37 PM ^
Now get off my lawn.
December 1st, 2016 at 11:20 PM ^
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December 2nd, 2016 at 10:41 AM ^
I think you two are essentially saying the same thing.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:09 PM ^
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December 1st, 2016 at 8:35 PM ^
I do think they should get rid of divisions and go by best overall conf record
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December 1st, 2016 at 11:05 PM ^
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December 1st, 2016 at 11:24 PM ^
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December 1st, 2016 at 9:18 PM ^
Perhaps conferences should rank its teams not on record but rather SOS, quality wins, quality losses, etc, in the same manner as the committee, AP, coaches rank teams nationally? This is just an absurd thought but whatever it's all a crapshoot anyway.