ZooWolverine

December 1st, 2016 at 9:12 PM ^

Do you follow 538? They actually gave that recent event a far higher likelihood than anyone else, and did not write the possibility of it off at all. That said, I'm a huge fan of Nate Silver--but I think the expansion to the new 538 has been lackluster.

538 could, of course, be right in predicting how the selection committee will behave, but the numbers seem pretty far off from what I would expect. I think there's a decent chance there's just not enough data on what the CFP selection committee will do to make any kind of reasonable model (they use the AP for a lot of the examples of how people vote, but we've seen some definite differences between the selection committee and AP voter behavior).

One potential problem with the model, specifically related to Michigan is with head-to-head comparisons. When describing their Elo portion of the model (which represents the committee's decision making) they don't mention weighting head-to-head games at all (hopefully there's some in the model, but it's at a minimum not a factor they consider as highly as others, and it may be hard to do in a large simulation since you're really comparing all the teams collectively, rather than any two individually). Head-to-head games is really Michigan's strength here--if the committee doesn't care about them, it's easy to see Michigan being jumped from behind. If they're important to the committee, then it's hard to jump Michigan since the main potential teams have lost to Michigan.

gbdub

December 2nd, 2016 at 10:45 AM ^

If you predict a thing to be 35% likely, and everyone else predicts said thing to be <10% likely, and said thing happens...

That prediction wasn't "wrong". 35% likely means just that - it will happen sometimes (probably 35% of the time, in fact). Giving 6.5 points to Michigan against wasn't "wrong" - Michigan outperformed that, but that's expected variation. It's why you play the game. 

But I do think 538 is underrating Michigan's chance here - they are going off of insufficient data and not weighting the particulars of this year highly enough. 

Cali's Goin' Blue

December 1st, 2016 at 9:34 PM ^

I agree they are trying to get clicks(That is the point of making a website, right? You want to make money), however, they have consistently been one of the best sites in predicting future results in political races and sporting events. Nate Silver is known as one of the smartest minds out there in terms of probability and statistical analysis. 538 as a website has lost a lot of respectability due to the most recent election, but if you listen to Nate Silver, he explains that all of his numbers were actually accurate, but his team decided to use "common sense" in giving the president-elect a lower chance of winning than the numbers suggested. Before then, 538 was probably the most accurate in predicting previous elections(as well as sporting events). Definitely not a random website

lhglrkwg

December 1st, 2016 at 9:19 PM ^

Their paychecks rely on pissing people off so they pay attention and they generate clicks/views. What's the best way to troll the most college football fans right now? Supporting that Michigan should be in the playoff now basically devalues Clemson, Washington, Ohio State, Colorado, OU, Okie State, Penn State and Wisconsin.

So many clicks

LSAClassOf2000

December 1st, 2016 at 8:54 PM ^

I don't necessarily think they are wrong either, and I am sure I am a bit biased but the fact that I find myself actually agreeing with something Skip Bayless said this week, just as an example, is a testament to the very weird place I am in as a Michigan fan right now. What's even stranger is that it is a place I wouldn't complain about, being able to touch the floor of the CFP from our current position. 

M-Dog

December 1st, 2016 at 8:11 PM ^

Trolls like to stick a finger in people's eyes.  

It's a controversial thing to say that 2 teams that did not even win their division should get in over the conference champion . . . so they are jumping on the bandwagon to say it and hopefully piss off a bunch of people.

Whatever works for us.  They will still be trolls with or without us in the CFP.  Might as well get some publicity out of it.

I Like Burgers

December 1st, 2016 at 8:05 PM ^

I'm just mostly annoyed the two reps for the Big Ten champ game are a combined 1-3 vs the clear top two teams in the conference. On top of that, the clear best team in the conference the last three years (our dear Buckeye friends) have played in just one conference championship game. That's dumb.

Don't know how you fix it, but the Big Ten needs to find a way.



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I Like Burgers

December 1st, 2016 at 8:17 PM ^

That's fine for national titles, but it doesn't fix the Big Ten's problem.  Divisions worked well enough when they were 5 teams, OK when it was 6, but with 7 teams in each division its just not a good way of figuring out the two best and determining a champion.  Especially when the divisions get imbalanced.  Has the Big Ten had either of its top two teams in its championship the last two seasons?

I mean, look at the championship game matchups this weekend.  Four of the teams in the game are one of the top two teams?  That's dumb.

TruBluMich

December 1st, 2016 at 8:58 PM ^

I would much rather the B1G goes to a system where each team plays 8 regular season conference games.  Then have a 4 team playoff for the championship.  The four teams with the best conference record, using the current tie breakers are in.  Home field would go to the top two teams for the semi-finals and the team with the best overall record gets the championship game at home.  The other 10 teams are scheduled against each other and seeded by conference record.  Top 5 are awarded home field advantage and they play thier 9th confrence game. 

This system awards teams with better records the additional home game(s) opposed to the current system of every other year getting the extra conference home game.

This year it would have been.

#4 Wisconsin at #1 Penn State
#3 Michigan at #2 Ohio State

Never mind, this idea is garbage.  Just take the two teams with the best confrence record and they play in the championship game.  (K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid)
 

s1105615

December 2nd, 2016 at 1:19 AM ^

I don't know how you can argue against an undefeated team and a 1 loss team that won all of its division games, but ok...the imbalance is there, but both teams (minus one minor miracle) earned their spots last year.

The argument is much more valid this season, but doesn't really apply to last year.



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I Like Burgers

December 2nd, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^

Last year is another good example because Iowa played absolutely no one and kept skating their way through undefeated.  The one good team they played, MSU, beat them.  And then the second good team they played, Stanford, kicked the shit out of them so bad the game was over in the first quarter.

MSU I'm fine with, because even though the two key wins were kinda flukey, they still won.  But I don't think its a stretch to say they were the third best team in the Big Ten and the Big Ten probably has a different champion if they are playing OSU or Michigan in the championship game.  Ohio State was clearly the best team in the conference, but didn't get a chance to play because of dumb divisions.

jmblue

December 1st, 2016 at 8:30 PM ^

I don't see why the winners of these conference title games deserve an automatic playoff bid.  If an 8-4 team pulls the upset, it doesn't suddenly become an elite team, worthy of national-title contention.  College football has never functioned that way.  It's always valued the entire season.

 

 

 

teamteamteam

December 1st, 2016 at 8:37 PM ^

The real problem is that these championship games (one random game) decide conference champions. NCAA should have conference champions in their playoffs and put it to their conferences to figure out how to do a better job of deciding their conference winners. Can you imagine if a Bo team won a B10 championship but another team went to the rose bowl because some Very Important People thought the other team was "better". Just because conferences screwed the pooch doesn't mean the NCAA should start picking teams out of their asses. The best playoff is a championship of champions. The real issue is the champions as currently being determined are crappy because the conferences broke themselves trying to get all the Cable Subscribers.

Now get off my lawn.

UMAmaizinBlue

December 1st, 2016 at 11:05 PM ^

Isn't a popular opinion, but so what? Does the SEC care? No. I say adopt their formula. Schedule a weak game in the middle/near the end of the season as a breather. Who the hell thinks Alabama isn't the best team in college football because they played Chattanooga? Nobody, and if you're good enough, the rest takes care of itself. No divisions, best conference record teams play for the conference title on neutral field, adopt SEC-esque scheduling.