Urban Meyer is "scared of Harbaugh"

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I'm inclined to think he might have been hacked but come to think of it who isn’t afraid of Jim Harbaugh!!!

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PIJER

February 28th, 2015 at 10:40 AM ^

LC was notorious for sticking with his game plan for too long and not adapting! Jim Herrmann made me want to pull my hair out! (I'm a black man with very short hair, tweezers would definitely have to have been used) You are correct, Michigan was considered to be the place where superior talent came to die! But this is the polar opposite, we have talent on this roster! Coaching will get all we can out of that talent and translate in onto the field.

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STW P. Brabbs

February 28th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^

If that's true, then the nation is fucking stupid. If you look at Carr's overall career he's one of the top 20 coaches of the last fifty years. 75% career win percentage, 19-8 vs. top ten opponents, six 10-win seasons, five conference championships, one national championship. If the Hoke and Rodriguez era still haven't convinced people that what Lloyd accomplished is in fact really fucking hard to pull off -- yes, even at Michigan -- then those people have their heads up their ass.

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Jason80

February 28th, 2015 at 8:10 PM ^

You mean the nation that recognized Coach Carr with the Bobby Dodd COY in 2007? No the loss to Appy St is most often remembered by Michigan fans that will forever have an axe to grind with Lloyd Carr and seek to minimize his accomplishments while happily pointing out his failures. If that loss had never happened we'd be hearing about the next item on the Lllloyd sucks grievance list.

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UMxWolverines

February 28th, 2015 at 3:20 PM ^

Come on. We had the talent to win at least one more national title and the entire country knew it. Instead we could only manage 10-3 as a ceiling (and 11-2 once,9 years later). Plus 4 BCS games in 13 years is really not that impressive. What was his record in those BCS games? Shouldn't it say something that our best season after 1997 still included a loss to our biggest rival?

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Perkis-Size Me

February 28th, 2015 at 9:22 AM ^

That made me laugh a little bit.

I'm sure Meyer isn't really scared of Harbaugh, but to all the OSU fans out there who say they're not even remotely worried about Harbaugh, all I've got to ask them is the following:

If almighty Meyer struggled the last 3 years to beat a Brady Hoke-coached team, do they think it just got any easier now that we actually have a great coach roaming the sidelines?



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andrewgr

February 28th, 2015 at 2:29 PM ^

I'm not overly concerned with Harbaugh for three reasons:

1) I don't expect for him to recruit to OSU's level.  He never showed particularlly strong recruiting skills at Stanford-- he wasn't bad, but he didn't set the world on fire.  He hired several people for his staff that are from the NFL who don't have relationships with high school coaches or much experience in dealing with kids that age, and he's competing with people that have been building those relationships for decades.  It's Michigan, so of course he's going to have top 15 classes, but I very much doubt if he'll be consistently top 10, and shocked if he ever manages a top 5.  That's going to be a significant talent gap.

2) He's running the pro style offense.  I don't know what college football will look like in 10 years, but right now, in 2015, that's an enormous handicap.  It works okay if you're Alabama and have an absurd talent advantage over almost everyone you play, but it simply won't win you championships otherwise.  It's the perfect offense for scoring 27 points on a blustery November day while pinning your opponent inside his own 20 four times.  Which isn't going to win games against good spread teams, who don't care in the slightest whether they start at their 10 or their 20, and are going to score 30+ points on a bad day.

3) He has worn out his welcome to an almost unfathomable degree at his last two jobs, and to a lesser extent at the one before that.  There's going to be needless friction and drama because of his personality, he's going to slowly lose the backing of his superiors, and he's going to be gone within 6 years.

I'm pretty confident in the first two, and they're sufficient even if I'm wrong about the third.  The great thing is that we'll actually get a factual answer with the passage of time; it's not like arguments over things that can never be proven or disproven.

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MGoBlue96

February 28th, 2015 at 4:13 PM ^

1. Stanford was an absolute wreck before Harbaugh arrived, even a great recruiter would not be able to walk into that place and bring in top 10 recruiting classes. Stanford's recruiting classes in 2009 and 2010 (after he had established himself) were both significantly better than anything Stanford had brought in prior to Harbaugh arriving. Before arriving at Stanford he was also not on most people's radar as a great coach, that is clearly not the case this time around. Given the fact that Hoke and his staff were able to bring in a couple of top 10 classes I think you are being somewhat delusional, if you don't think a guy with Harbaugh's pedigree and his staff can't do the same.

2. You can win with any style. Harbaugh didn't have Alabama like talent at Stanford either, but that didn't stop him from going 12-1 in his final year. Offense regardless of what a team runs still ultimately comes down to execution and having a good gameplan. Acting as though a defense can't slow down a spread offense with a good gameplan and execution is also silly. You are also assuming that Harbaugh is more rigid than he actually is, his teams at Stanford while being heavy pro style also utilized some spread elements and SF was also one of the first teams in the NFL to start using the pistol. Harbaugh is not Hoke, his staff will call the game in the manner that it takes to win. 

 

3. If he wins more games than the previous two HC's here none of that will matter. Winning solves everything. I am also not sure where you getting that he wore out his welcome at Stanford to an unfathomable degree, he left for he thought was a better job. Do you really think Stanford would not have wanted him back? He led them to a level of  success, which was a pipe dream before he arrived

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CoachBP6

February 28th, 2015 at 4:15 PM ^

Lol. Your first point means nothing because before he arrived Stanford was a shit box. Jim is one of the best coaches at both levels and kids want to go to the nfl, Jim Harbaugh can get them there and knows what it takes. Meyer does not. Harbaugh is now at a place where Brady home was able to recruit very well. Harbaugh is going to kill it in recruiting and likely will recruit as good or better than osu every year. Your second point is just stupid. The pro style offense is anything but a handicap. The pro style offense is so much more diverse than the spread. Jim Harbaugh runs the pro style offense as good as anyone, and he's not afraid to throw some spread principals or pistol principals at you as well. You obviously don't know much about offense with your statement. Brady Hokes shitty pro style offenses always put up points giants osu...imagine what Harbaugh's will do. Your third point, is also just stupid. Jim didn't wear his welcome out in San Fran. All of his players were publicly and privately lobbying for him to stay. Jim Harbaugh was fired from San Fran bc he wouldn't let the owner control or micromanage him. Everywhere he's went he has won,it will be no different hear. You're wrong about all three, you shouldn't talk football when you don know anything about it. Typical osu troll.

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andrewgr

February 28th, 2015 at 6:16 PM ^

We'll see.  Other than Michigan fans, the rest of the football world is pretty much united in being stunned by how *little* public support he got from any of his players at San Francisco.  To say that "all" of his players lobbied for him is a statement so disconnected from reality as to make me question whether you get your news from anywhere other than mgoblog.

And we'll also see how well that pro style offense does for you.  The evidence is super clear: for the rules that are in college right now, with the way those rules are being enforced, the physical limitations of the players, and the limited number of hours they can practice, the spread offense that so many schools are moving to is just clearly superior.  You can thank the fact that Texas is moving to it for your QB: a 4* they no longer wanted because he runs an outdated system.

The most that Harbaugh proved at Stanford recruiting-wise was that he could be above average.  He didn't wow anyone with his recruiting, and to pretend otherwise is wish fulfillment fantasy.  Then he went and selected a coaching staff based on how well they could scheme and teach, with little apparent regard for recruiting experience.  He might wind up being great, but there's no evidence at this point to believe that he will be; you're pinning all of your hopes on "but he coached in the pros OMG!!!", which shouldn't mean anything more to a recruit than "4/5 of our offensive line was drafted and played in the NFL their rookie year", or any of the other impressive evidence that other top coaches can give to high school students that they are able to develop and place players in the pros.

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UMChick77

February 28th, 2015 at 7:03 PM ^

These posts and those who post them always crack me up. They come seek us out just to post how irrelevant we are in the football world. Sorry bud, but if you truly felt like we're a non-threat, you wouldn't even bother. So why are you even here? Actions speak far more loudly than your empty words.

Thanks for the laughs.

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CoachBP6

February 28th, 2015 at 9:18 PM ^

Exactly!! I find it both funny and reassuring. Pete Carroll is a better coach than Meyer and Jim had no problem beating him with a much lesser team. I'm not worried at all, I believe Jim will beat Urban just as much or more than he beats Jim. It's a rivalry again and osu fans can't handle it bc the last time it was a rivalry consistently we beat them more than they beat us and they were often ranked higher in those battles.

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xtramelanin

February 28th, 2015 at 4:28 PM ^

he was recruiting to stanford.  you might be unfamiliar with that school, but they are likely employing many former buckeyes, as janitors and such.  stanford is like northwestern, a private school with a ripping good academic reputation unlike...ohio.   so he recruited smart, talented football studs.  ohio players on the other hand didn't 'come to play school' and it shows.   credit to your football team, but please don't mistake that for who can recruit to an exceptionally difficult school to qualify for, a fine academic school. 

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xtramelanin

February 28th, 2015 at 7:49 PM ^

as to your post above, i guess you could find a survey that says that (i never have), but most put michigan as one of the top 25 schools on planet earth, the top public university on the planet (with occasional shifting with berkley and/or ucla), and ohio is somewhere in the coach section, if they can be found at all.

please tell me what school you graduated from.  for that matter, please scan and post your diploma.  i guess it could be true but then it seems that much more strange that you would care about tattoo-land. 

and on your comment above about the 49'ers not loving harbaugh, you missed many a discussion on this board during that time.  i can assure you that not only did the players love him, but so did the 49'er legends like lott and montana - friends of our family and who have weekly contact with my oldest brother who played at northwestern.   as for me, i haven't spoken to them since i gave the eulogy at my sister-in-law's funeral.  i had time to speak with them afterwards, at the wake.  they had no problems with harbaugh and they think the 49'ers were fools to let him go. 

 

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xtramelanin

February 28th, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^

while it should be recognized that ohio had a great run this year and good for them (as far as i'm able to try and say that), they would be fools not to have fear and trepidation over harbaugh. 

we know that nobody has it better than us, and so does ohio!

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