Two Notes from Bama-Clemson

Submitted by SC Wolverine on

Two glaring things stuck out during last night's CFP semi-final: 

1.  To be a non-Bama contender, you must have elite quarterback play.  The difference between this year's game and last's year's Bama-Clemson shootout was Deshaun Watson.  Kelly Bryant is pretty good, but not elite.  So Bama could stuff the box and jam the receivers. . . game over.  The number one priority for Michigan, then, is to get elite QB play and until this happens we will not really contend.  Yes, this is more important than a better O-Line (which I think we can anticipate) -- QB play affects everything offensively.  Clemson has an excellent O-Line, but with average QB play they could not score on Bama.

Fortunatey, we have lots of young talent and Harbaugh is not likely to whiff on them all.  So whoever has the moxie, the arm, and the brain should start next year, whether it's Shea or Joe Milton or Dylan McCaffery.  (As an aside, notice how many of the qb's who played last night started as freshmen.  It's not about youth, but talent.)  (As another aside, does anybody think Patterson would have slid short of the first down late in the fourth quarter?  Our dudes will have noticed.)

2.  Neither Saban nor Swinney seemed all that buddy-buddy with their coaching staffs, at least during the game.  Here's to Jim cutting to the chase to pursue real excellence.  (I think we can count on him to do this very thing.)  A family environment really is great, but shaking things up has a tendency to clear peoples' minds.

Heads up, boys!  Things are never as bad as they seem when you are down.  This loss may be just the thing to drive us to a championship.  In the meantime, we all suffer at work together today.

klctlc

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:28 PM ^

I agree 100%.  Based on what we saw yesterday Peters had his audition and failed (UMbig11 said it first).

Thank god Shea transferred or it would only be McCaffrey.  Competition is good and I think next year is the first year we have two "good" qb to actually compete.  

Peters may be a solid Qb with time, but man he had the jitters early on some throws and it seemed in the second half he had time and just did not have much.  

More bad news. My Domer buddies texted that crap out of me yesterday with "sympathy".  Not sure on the math but it seems legit, yesterday's loss by M and ND's win gave ND the all time winningest % in CFB.  Now we can take it back next year in South Bend. Which BTW I already promised my stupid fucking domer friends we would!!!!

Please don't let me down.

lhglrkwg

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^

Dude is probably 2 years away at best. The QB competition will hopefully be a 3-way battle between Shea, Peters, and DCaff. If Shea isn't eligible, then you're praying either a) the light miraculously comes on for Peters or b) Dylan is great

Perkis-Size Me

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^

Milton probably has the most upside of any QB on the roster, but he's a big-time project who will need at least 2-3 years in the system before he's ready. In fact, depending on how his progression goes it wouldn't surprise me if Harbaugh asked him to switch positions at some point. Whether or not he pans out at QB, he's a big athlete and I know Harbaugh would find a place for him in the offense. 

KC Wolve

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^

Ah, the youth excuse again. You may be correct with Milton, but at some point it has to be about talent and getting on the field. If the O is too complicated for the guy with more talent to play, then the O is too fucking complicated. Peters looked like he had three plays at his disposal yesterday and even then he didn’t look off his first read. Is that his fault or are his options way to complicated and confusing. Freshman play all over the country. Get talent, coach talent to their abilities, and execute. UM is lacking in the last 2 way more than the first.

SC Wolverine

January 2nd, 2018 at 1:17 PM ^

The youth argument can't be made anymore.  There are true freshmen QB's lighting up for a large number of programs.  We have to be open to the best talent as soon as they step on campus.  This said, I do realize that the word on Milton is that he's too raw.  We'll see.

Jonesy

January 2nd, 2018 at 8:27 PM ^

not all freshmen QBs are the same, Milton is a project, and most freshman QBs who do OK (they almost never do really well) do so because of their running more than their passing.

trueblueintexas

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^

This kind of comment about X player being so many years away is a dated way of thinking. Bama is the only team I can think of where they have years of experience waiting to step forward every year at the majority of positions. Almost every other team in college football has coaches who have figured out how to win with Freshman and Sophomores in key roles.

Don

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:23 PM ^

On defense, sure. On offense, there's no proven evidence on the field, beyond a nice catch or two by Black. Sparkly SPARQ scores and jumping on top of boxes is fine off-season stuff, but it doesn't mean squat in terms of on-field production. All we have on offense are a bunch of guys with glowing recruiting profiles who haven't yet proven they're difference-makers.

* I don't give a shit about downvotes, but obviously there's somebody here who does think that we have young, proven difference-makers on offense. What players have provided such proof beyond perhaps Black?

WorldwideTJRob

January 2nd, 2018 at 1:08 PM ^

Exactly! If you looked at this board before yesterday, Ppl were on here talking like BP was the answer to our QB prayers. 24 hours later, ppl want him to transfer. This offense is nothing more than a bunch of “hype”. Outside of flashes from Higdon/Evans, no one on that side of the ball has proven to be a difference maker. We all bought into Crawford/McDoom taking large steps forward this season, now it looks as if they’ll be behind all the Freshman next season.

SC Wolverine

January 2nd, 2018 at 1:19 PM ^

Well, there actually is a lot of talent on offense.  Black and DPJ have real talent.  We have talented TE's.  Big Mike and Ruiz are talented.  (I hold out judgment on Bredeson.)  Higdon and Evans are talented dudes.  I think that there is every reason to think the interior of the O line will be quite good next year.  Admittedly, tackle is a question mark.  But that' why we have coaches.  What we really need is a cocky, laser-eyed QB.

DrMantisToboggan

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:09 PM ^

I usually feel as the “Shea wouldn’t have done that there in that specific moment!” kind of claims are a bit dramatic...but I think this time it’s actually a decent point and I now feel it’s somewhat indicative of BP’s nature. I felt as though the more he became entrenched as the starting QB, the more personality and moxie we would see out of him...but I can tell now that that’s just not going to come. He doesn’t have the fire in his belly that Jim knows you need to win, that’s why he hasn’t really curried Jim’s favor to this point.

I truly believed we would see Brandon blossom yesterday and that he would keep that momentum going to the starting job next year. Now, I think that if Shea can get even mostly to Brandon’s level of mastery of the system (not necessarily even with BP), that he will be the guy by the end of spring ball. I think BP has all the talent necessary, but the second half yesterday makes me think he just doesn’t have the mindset to be THE guy.

trueblueintexas

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^

Unfortunately, I thought BP looked a lot like Speight did to start this season (not last year) and O’Korn did as well. He locked on his first target, hesitated to throw if it wasn’t wide open, and then the pressure got to him and he had to run around. For three guys to perform that way over the course of an entire season tells me there are problems with QB coaching. This is not what we saw in Harbaugh’s first two years. This is specific to this year.

conradb42

January 2nd, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^

Yes, however, I would have expected Speight to improve with the offense, and probably help them mature more/quicker. 

We can only look at Wilton's season through those first few games and he wasn't good. But the O Line and WR were better in the back half of the season and having JOK and BP only stalled that progress. 

But in the context of the entire year, I agree with you. It feels like Harbaugh should have a few pages in his playbook to make some chicken shit into chicken salad.

SC Wolverine

January 2nd, 2018 at 1:20 PM ^

Which brings us to Pep.  It really may be that his pro offense was just too complicated for college players, many of them just out of high school.  I'd really like to see a college-specific passing scheme for next year.

DrMantisToboggan

January 2nd, 2018 at 2:11 PM ^

After the fact that we just didn't have a QB who was healthy and ready to run a power five offense, I think the team's biggest issue this year was Pep insisting that a crazy-young WR group run advanced, NFL-style route combinations. I thought the OL was actually sufficient to win 2-3 more games. I thought the talent on O was there too. The defense was obviously sufficient to win every game. Pep should be held accountable for such a bullheaded season (and he doesn't give us much in the way of recruiting, so what is long-term benefit here?).

trueblueintexas

January 2nd, 2018 at 1:36 PM ^

None of us know what the QB’s are being taught in practice. The history of data says players get better as they get older and as the season progresses. We did not see that this year. There are a few things which stand out to me about the QB play this season. 1) When they threw deep, often times it was way over thrown. Are they being coached that if you miss deep, miss long instead of short to avoid interceptions? If so, that removes any chance for a receiver to make a play. That’s a lost opportunity. Added risk, but lost opportunity also. 2) Hesitation throwing. Are they being coached to not throw unless their first read is absolutely wide open? Again, it avoids a potential interception, but it also creates more sacks and rushed decisions. 3) All three QB’s played this way. It would be amazing if somehow Michigan acquired three QB’s who would naturally exhibit the same tendencies consistently. The next logical answer is coaching. As I said before, I have no idea, but it was noticeable.

Whole Milk

January 2nd, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^

I think so too. I would like to see a birdseye view on all of the routes run by our receivers to see what is actually there. It is easy to criticze Peters based on yesterday's game, but how many times were there open receivers that were missed? I surely didn't see many. Whether it is the receviers not getting open (Young WR's are notoriously a recipe for disaster in college football), or the playcalling is simply subpar, we have got to find a way to get more receivers open. I am not saying Peters is blameless, but no matter who the QB is, we will have to be better going forward at getting WR's open if we have hopes that the offense will improve.

DrMantisToboggan

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^

Depends how you measure the distance. In terms of quality of team on the field this year? Yes it’s a big gap. In terms of the personnel we need and don’t have going forward? It’s not much of a gap at all. We’re a couple starters (QB and OT, most important positions no doubt) away from being on that level as soon as 09/01/2018.

WorldwideTJRob

January 2nd, 2018 at 1:19 PM ^

We have no receivers in the same ballpark as Renfrow, Cain or Ridley. Higdon/Evans are not in the same league as Anderson, Michel & Chubb. Not to mention the OL’s that all 4 of those squads have. This team is WAAAYYYY more than just a QB or OT away from getting to that level. We severely overrate our talent, because our recruiting gurus(Webb, Lorenz, etc.) tell us these guys are great. However in reality Pro evaluators are not looking at any of our guys right now as first couple day talents in the NFL. We all “hope” they are talented, but the results are severely lacking.

WorldwideTJRob

January 2nd, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^

That’s true but what those players do at the next level is all that matters! Results in college get you to the NFL and helps your team achieve in the present time. No one on our offense is producing yet the backs, receivers, and OL that they have successfully recruited are! We can pat ourselves on the back for recruiting players that they wanted or start competeing with them on the field because as I stated before, we are far away from them in that respect.

DrMantisToboggan

January 2nd, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^

I think an S&P Rushing Offense rank trend of 61st to 49th to 9th in 3 years is pretty telling of progress on the OL, at least in half of their duties. The two positions in the worst shape when Jim took over were QB and OL - they were total projects. The OL has gotten better, even if its not close to where it needs to be.

StraightDave

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^

Better recruits. Harbaugh had a couple nice classes but Michigan is not going to win a NC with three star recruits from the Midwest.

Don

January 2nd, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^

Maybe not, but MSU and WIsconsin have proven they can win division titles and conference championships with lots of players from the midwest. Maybe we should start there first.