Two Michigan players in "PFF’s 2023 All Returning Team: Offense"
Blake Corum
Drake Nugent
February 27th, 2023 at 10:56 PM ^
Thanks for sharing. Zero surprise to see Corum here. Nugent being viewed in the same tier as Olu is awesome. Leaving Zinter off the list is knee-deep BS
February 27th, 2023 at 11:29 PM ^
Zinter is the number 3 returning interior lineman, higher than Nugent. But Nugent is the top Center.
The tweet was just the #1 at every position. Also included (from memory) in PFF’s top ten for every position;
McCarthy #8 QB
Edwards #9 RB
Zinter #3 IOL
Kris Jenkins #4 DL
Will Johnson #3 CB
Rod Moore #4 S
February 28th, 2023 at 1:59 AM ^
JJ and the Don will be top 5 by the end of the season
February 28th, 2023 at 11:37 AM ^
Stacked.
March 21st, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^
Stacked and stoked.
February 28th, 2023 at 12:09 PM ^
Impressive, thanks for sharing! Nice to see Rod Moore getting some props as well. This fall should be fun.
February 28th, 2023 at 9:41 AM ^
Leaving Zinter off the list is knee-deep BS
Please remember that PFF's OL grades make little to no sense. If you're a OL with a high PFF grade, you're likely a good player, but PFF also gives absolutely questionably low PFF grades to good players that make no sense
February 28th, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^
that was more or less my point - if their grading made any sense, he'd be top-2.
February 27th, 2023 at 10:57 PM ^
Super good baseball/softball content!
(Sorry. Good post. Funny tag.)
February 27th, 2023 at 11:23 PM ^
I’m bias and I get it’s statistically generated but it sure seems like Zinter should be in this team.
February 28th, 2023 at 9:00 AM ^
A biased bias?
February 27th, 2023 at 11:44 PM ^
We just need McCarthy to make even a tiny leap to be right back in the mix. Just cut down a few of those errant throws. He got away with a few (that Penn State throw over the LB for one) but it caught up to him vs Purdue (ugly int) and TCU (two horrors). If JJ can improve his decision making just a hair, we'll be a force.
February 28th, 2023 at 12:55 AM ^
McCarthy threw 5 INTs in 322 attempts and needs “cut down on a few of those errant throws.” In 2021, McNamara threw 6 in 327 attempts and was seen a smart QB who really took good care of the ball.
February 28th, 2023 at 2:03 AM ^
Cade also threw 5 picks in his final 87 attempts in a winged helmet
February 28th, 2023 at 8:12 AM ^
Bingo.
in the final three games of their respective seasons, both QB beat OSU, won the BTC game, and lost the playoff game. The difference?
McNamara accounted for 1 TD and four picks in his three games.
McCarthy accounted for 10 TDs and three picks in his.
February 28th, 2023 at 4:46 PM ^
None were pick 6's.
February 28th, 2023 at 8:53 AM ^
J.J. had a higher completion percentage, more TDs, and more yards (on fewer attempts, as you note). He also ran the ball for almost 300 more yards and 4 more TDs than Cade in 2021.
Truth is, though, that J.J. can absolutely get better, and I expect he will this year.
February 28th, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^
Fair but having 3 of those INTs as pick 6s makes them more painful. Probably why they stand out a bit more.
February 28th, 2023 at 4:49 PM ^
Alsi, both puck 6's came from neglecting basic QB 101 guidlines.
February 28th, 2023 at 10:25 AM ^
I think what he means is that 3 of the 5 INTs by JJ were pick-6s (the worst kind of INTs).
I don't think McNamara had any pick-6s.
February 28th, 2023 at 10:50 AM ^
JJ and Cade comparisons and juxtapositions seem counterproductive to me. No one on this board wants Cade's 2021 performance to be the bar (or even optimistic 2023 Cade projections). Most seem to believe JJ's ceiling is much, much higher.
I think most of us agree JJ needs to improve for UM to reach its goals. Comments about Cade devolve into comparisons that most/all seem to agree with. JJ making better decisions and taking care of the ball are good topics for improvement. He got away with putting the ball in harms way a number of times early and yet paid the ultimate price 3 times. Regression to the mean is all I'm looking for on the pick-6s.
February 28th, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^
I get what youre saying CLord. McCarthy is Michigan's Achilles heel. He does need to learn to be more careful with the ball. I have a fear he may be what stops the team from getting a National Championship.
But i want to believe he is very sorry for the 2 pick 6's, and really went to work on learning to read defenses, and being careful where to throw . That LB was right in the same place the whole time on that second pick 6. JJ should have not thrown it .I wouldn't mind it if he went a whole game never throwing one longer than 15 yards but all the while was super careful .
February 28th, 2023 at 12:51 AM ^
Is Drake Nugent really returning? Not to get into semantics but... **gestures at dictionary**
February 28th, 2023 at 6:28 AM ^
Nugent is clearly returning to college football.
February 28th, 2023 at 8:54 AM ^
He played college football last year, and he's returning this year to play college football once again.
February 28th, 2023 at 12:06 PM ^
Yes, in this context Nugent is returning having a stranglehold on the center position.
February 28th, 2023 at 12:23 PM ^
I'm glad he moved, it's dog eat dog down there on the OLine.
February 28th, 2023 at 8:23 AM ^
Looks like another year in which OSU will have lots of frosting, and very little meat. Ryan Day will play his video game offense until Nov. 25, when the controller will suddenly seem broken again, and he'll throw it at the TV and pout off to the loser's podium.
February 28th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
Hoping your assessment / perspective is, as the Brits say... "Spot on".
February 28th, 2023 at 8:26 AM ^
Pretty easy to get excited when you have the kind of talent and depth Michigan has on both the offensive and defensive lines. Stay healthy gentlemen.
February 28th, 2023 at 8:35 AM ^
Thanks for posting. Go Blue!
February 28th, 2023 at 9:09 AM ^
Seems like the transfer portal brought us some solid additions again this year. Looking forward to seeing these guys play in the fall.
February 28th, 2023 at 9:09 AM ^
Back to being OL University!
February 28th, 2023 at 10:53 AM ^
Could the Joe Moore trophy be saying - "I really like the accommodations in Ann Arbor, and want to spend at least one more year here."
February 28th, 2023 at 11:43 AM ^
One more year? Spend the next 20 years here.
February 28th, 2023 at 9:11 AM ^
can osu just have qb problems for once? just like... a controversy where one guy sucks, then the next guy comes in and looks good, but then sucks too.. and they vow to play both guys and they both suck?
can they? just one year for fun.. can they go 8-4. of course i want to ruin their season, but i like a little variety. I'd love this year to be a nail in the coffin type of game. Last year was a complete punch in the mouth. The year before was a 10 round bout.
Let them have the WRs, and let the WRs check out because their QB cant get them the ball.
February 28th, 2023 at 9:33 AM ^
I'll believe it when I see it. I remember in Week 2 in 2021 when OSU lost Oregon there were a lot of people unsure about Stroud; some going as far as to question if Ewers would be ready to go after being on campus for only a month. They will unfortunately have a dude at QB this year; but I don't think he will be as good games 1-11 as Stroud (hopefully he matches Stroud in game 12).
As far as the WR position, if I was an OSU fan I would be very worried about any slight injury or getting banged up to those two WRs; especially Harrison Jr. As we saw with JSN, the risk might not be worth the reward when you have already proven to be a Top 15 player (as Harrison Jr. has).
February 28th, 2023 at 10:41 AM ^
TSRV, The Buckeyes have six (6) road games this season.
They open on the road at Indiana - Labor Day weekend - I assume that it "week one".
They travel to South Bend to face ND in week four.
Continuing in conference play - they will travel to face Purdue, Wisconsin, & Rutgers. As we know, they'll finish the season in Ann Arbor on November 25th.
The Buckeyes host both Penn State (October 21st) and Michigan State (November 11th).
It will be interesting to see just how effective their QB play is - and, the degree to which "QB mobility" is a characteristic they display on the field.
February 28th, 2023 at 12:46 PM ^
One thing to note. We, as Michigan fans, cringe every time we have to go to Iowa. Strange things seem to happen. For OSU, its Purdue. Purdue is the house of horrors for OSU...
Whoever is the starting QB next season (McCord??), he will have to grow up in a big hurry as the schedule does have some potential pitfalls leading up to Nov 25th...
February 28th, 2023 at 9:47 AM ^
I know that Egbuka has put up some video game like numbers, but of all the great OSU receivers over the last 5-8 years, he has to be the least intimidating to me. I understand these are based on their PFF scores, but the ceiling and current ability that MHJ has relative to Egbuka is insane. I will never not take OSU's talent seriously but heading into the 2023 season I'm not as concerned as when they had combinations of guys like Olave-Wilson-JSN, or the teams that had legit NFL guys like Paris Campbell or Terry Mclaurin. I guess this is really just a long way of saying that despite OSU returning MHJ and Egbuka and Henderson, the collection of guys on their offense right now seems much less intimidating than it has been. This could be described as a general optimism for the 2023, if you will.
February 28th, 2023 at 10:32 AM ^
not gonna lie i watch a TON of football and had no idea who cooper beebe was. everyone else was a familiar name
February 28th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^
People have noted positions on defense as well.
Is there a single slide that captures this view for defense? If so, could it be posted? (I checked into PFF, but couldn't find this information on a single slide / view.)