August 2nd, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^
Is this four games + redshirt see the field or burning redshirts seeing the field? Because the latter for the two OL would be weird, no?
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:47 PM ^
Correct, this list will definitely see the field for the four games. Now, as far as the OL you mention, Rumler is the most physically prepared and technically sound and is viable option to play in more than 4 games.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:24 PM ^
I wish michgian could get to a place where even elite OL redshirt their first year. Wisconsin had such good OL and they never really had elite guys, they just always let them mature.
Truly elite players rarely redshirt anywhere, OL or not.
Michigan is already in a place where they can afford to redshirt all of their OL. As prepared as Rumler may be to play, he's unlikely to do more than get his feet wet.
I doubt any of the OL see action other than some extreme blowout to get their feet wet, but not at the expense of the red shirt. If they do have to rely on FR OL this season, team will not be what we think they are, especially with OL depth.
This is where the new redshirt rule is beneficial. If a freshman OL burns his redshirt it will be because he is really good now, not to get him ready to start the following season.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:45 PM ^
Trente Jones is a talented OL beast-likely the best of the new gang. He will very likely be ahead of both Rumler and Carpenter-Carpenter for sure. I believe all the OLs will redshirt.
Edit: I am really curious...what could possibly be neg worthy about my post? I love this OL recruiting class...am very optimistic. I love Rumler. Trente's tape is damn good...playing against the best in Georgia. Yeah, tackle is the more challenging OL position. With the strength of the Michigan OL room, barring some utter and unforeseen disaster, I cannot imagine there will be any redshirts burned from this stellar in-coming class. What's not to like, here?
Jones might have more upside and be better long term, but Rumler is probably the most technically sound and physically ready to play of the bunch at this point.
If we're talking about this year, Michigan has three pretty darn good tackles in Runyan, Stueber, and Mayfield. I think Jones needs to work on his body right now and get stronger.
Long-term, you might be right that Jones has higher upside.
It's mind-boggling to look at Jones and come away with the comment "needs to...get stronger". I am not disagreeing at all. I am just amazed because that dude is huge.
Stueber and Mayfield are pretty darn good?
That remains to be seen.
Stueber was pretty average last year and Mayfield hasn’t played a meaningful down yet.
I like Ryan Hayes’ ceiling. It will be interesting to see how he performs this fall.
I negged after you questioned why you were negged, it was an impulse I’m sorry
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:38 PM ^
I'm sure this list has the potential to grow...
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:42 PM ^
Possibly, especially on special teams.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:01 PM ^
Hope so - last class was a good one. Fine with all the OL redshirting and hope the WR get some run
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:43 PM ^
If Erik All sees the field that would be a wonderful shock. He's behind a ton of proven talent no matter what position he plays.
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:53 PM ^
McKeon is proven, and an OK talent. Eubanks has potential I think, but not proven. Then no one. All has already established himself as a guy who works like a dog, catches absolutely eveeything, and will block anyone. He's going to play. He'll be a stretch the field TE, crack block people like crazy, catch some RPOs.
"All has already established himself"
After two days of no-pads practice?
Welcome to the Internet!
All's got it all. Or least in the last two days.
Well, he did enroll early and earn a bunch of praise. Not sure that equates with "established," but the assessment was based on more than two days.
I'm not walking it back in any way, because I said everything above in the recruit profile.
But I said All is a guy who has "established himself as a guy who" does this thing, does that thing. And because of that he'll play.
I did not say he's an established player on the team.
Or, since January given he early enrolled. Harbaugh beams every time he talks about him, multiple coaches and players have talked about what I noted above. There was probably more spring chatter about All than there was about Eubanks.
So like 7 months. +2 practices.
I think we can generally take it as genuine when the coaches are giving nonstop praise to freshmen who aren't expected or needed to do much this year. Very likely All is going to have a good career here barring injury or off the field stuff.
In for spring. Had pads on. May not be "established" but certainly has more than 2 unpadded practices under his belt.
All hasn’t even put the pads on yet. I doubt he’s established anything at this point.
All has been here since January. He has been in pads for the entirety of spring practice. He has been working out for months. He has been talked up by the coaches. He's been here for 7 months. It's not 1983 anymore guys.
Established himself as the type of player who catches everything, blocks anyone, works very hard. Yes he's done that.
Is he an established player? That's not what I said. My post is arguing that he'll play this year, and he will.
Never claimed he was Verlander.
But now you will remember this post, and that you lol'd, and when All is one of the most productive freshman this year for the exact reasons I describe above, you will shudder at the name bodogblog. And I will enjoy saying "Suck it Don."
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:54 PM ^
As a TE his skill-set may mesh better with the scheme than others ahead of him.
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:43 PM ^
I'd say only Sainristil, Charbonnett, Hill, Smith, & Hinton will be the only ones to compete on the 2-deep.
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^
Tend to agree with the potential for two deep comment.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:47 PM ^
I would add Giles to that group.
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:46 PM ^
Everyone: I just don't see Rumler or Carpenter or any of the freshmen OL playing, given our depth on the OL.
depends if they think those guys will need to step up next year. theyre losing 2 interior OL, possibly all 3, and may need some of those dudes to be ready. if thats the staffs projection then they should def play a few. honingford has looked promising, they know what they have with spanellis and filiaga will be around but i could see them wanting 1-2 guys ready to roll and reps this fall would really help
Yup, we’re looking at a situation where we’re likely losing 4 starters. Tackles are likely set with Mayfield/Stueber, but the entire interior could be up for grabs. I wouldn’t be surprised at small to see some true freshmen OL get a few series at least of live reps.
Definitely Rumbler burns, since we only have Filiaga and Honingford at guard, Carpenter is listed as a center so he would also burn unless Rumbler takes over C and than Barnhart might be the guard apparent.
You're leaving Spannelis out. He's likely to start in 2020.
August 2nd, 2019 at 10:59 PM ^
Won’t they all see it? Or did I miss the blind kid we signed? I’ll “see” myself out...
August 3rd, 2019 at 12:17 AM ^
Thank you. I'll remember to tip my server.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:06 PM ^
Other than the two OL, pretty obvious list.
I hope, though, that we don't burn a year of eligibility for any of the OL unless absolutely necessary. Aren't we finally deep enough there?
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:18 PM ^
I'd be very surprised if we see ANY OL get more than their allotted 4 games. We have a lot of OL depth. I'd also like us to keep the frosh OL off the field for a while, that way if we have a couple injuries, we could play a frosh OL AND maintain his RS.
August 3rd, 2019 at 11:00 AM ^
Eh idk. If you have to play an ol in a decent game due injury, you really hope the guy already saw decent snaps vs weaker opponents, hopefully 4 games worth.
If Rumler is as much of a dude as we expect, I don’t see him being here for 5 years anyways. I’m not really that concerned about his redshirt.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:12 PM ^
My sleeper is still Quinten Johnson.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:27 PM ^
Good sleeper pick. He's a hell of an athlete.
Solid bet to play a bunch of ST and perhaps burn a 'shirt with Metellus graduating and the Harbaugh era track record of getting "next up" DBs PT as freshmen.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:13 PM ^
Is the Sainristil hype legit?
I mean he balled out in spring and there’s been one day of fall camp. So... yes?
We'll find out in a few weeks.
August 2nd, 2019 at 11:17 PM ^
Charbonnet, Sainristil, Jackson, Smith, Hinton, and Hill. Besides those 6 guys everyone else should be garbage time 4 games and a redshirt which is great.
August 3rd, 2019 at 10:41 AM ^
I heard a lot of good things about All too.