Tressel's emails between him and this lawyer character
Here is a link to the release by OSU and copies of the emails between Tressel and, apparently, this lawyer guy. It sounds bad to me. He obviously knew several specific details. His comments about pounding the guys to grow up (that's what he said), and about holding the BigTen rings from certain players, are weak as hell.
anyone else notice the first email tress receaved said nothing about confidentiality, and at that point he should of passed the information on.
I was thinking the same thing. I also want to know what Tressel meant by 'pounding' his players.
At least Hoke only touches players.
you know what he meant. Don't play coy Mark from Novi.
These emails might as well say, "Hey Coach, just wanted to let you know some of your players may be violating NCAA rules. Just a heads up!"
And Tressel's response may as well be "LOL!! Those crazy players! What will they think of next?!? Have a blessed day!!"
The university's legal dept. found the e-mails? Tressel never voluntarily brought them forward.
It was tOSU's legal department that found the emails. Tressel did not bring them forward.
I think Smith said that at the start of the news conference as well.
Am I an idiot, or did John Bruno not sign in the right space?
You are not an idiot, John Bruno is. Either that, or he was trying to distance himself from Gordon Gee as much as possible, can't blame him.
These emails are fascinating reading. Does anyone understand what he means when he talks about having "some collateral" at the bottom of the chain?
Also, I love how Tressel thinks you put a space between the last word of a sentence and the punctuation. So cute -- it's like a child learning to write.
I think he's saying he would withhold giving certain players their Big Ten championship rings if their names came up, as "collateral" for violating NCAA rules. My interpretation at least...
I interpreted it the same way. And in that case...if you're threatening to reprimand the players, how can you possibly not know that they have done something that may make them ineligible? If you're going to punish them, doesn't that men your bosses and the NCAA should know about it?
This looks extremely damaging in my opinion.
Dear Jim,
I have recently learned that ################################### ############# ####### ############ ################# upon which they were deported to ###### ###### #################### inside of a car trunk ###################### Big Ten Championship rings with cocain residue ########################## My father was a Janitor for ## years at ################# didn't perticularly care for ####, ####, ####, or Canadians.
I may also be in trouble because I let ####### take pictures of my ####### while they both ####### in the back of a conversion van. ######### ####### ########## ##### ####### ##########
Mike.
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Dear Mike,
thx for the heads up !! go bucks !! - jt
I tried to post this as a Facebook status update, giving you full attribution, but it was too many characters.
You win this thread
Who retained the attorney/how did he get access to all of this confidential information about the drug dealers case? Is he violating a client's confidentiality in sending this to JT?
I thought the same thing. Did the attorney have an attorney-client relationship with the tattoo artist guy? What did he tell tattoo artist guy to get him to come to his office for 1.5 hours? Did he divluge attorney-client communications? Did the attorney interfere with the ongoing investigation (at one point, it looks like he says he may try to get the rings back).
Tressel writes e-mails like my mom.
ok willget on it. love you!! jt
his lawyer buddy is a bit over the top with bullet points though as well lol. who is this guy anyway? some alum?
... it's The Knowledge.
"Non-Bullet Points that are actually Bullet Points"
And doesn't know how to write a proper postscript, either.
Ok, just read the e-mails, and they are pretty damning I think. Hell, the attorney didn't even ask for confidentiality until the 3rd e-mail. And it seems more because he is breaking his privlage and not even for the sake of the investigation. I'm not gonna lie, to me, this looks real bad. Also the report even acknowledges that Tressel only told the truth when the university caught him with his pants down.
To top it off, the school's report even admits that Tressel lied to the NCAA multiple times, even after the story became public and confidentiality wouldn't matter to the investigation.
Also, did anybody else notice that Rife had a NC ring? Well, this had to have been going on for some time, but I guess Pittman already confirmed this...
They blacked out the to/from on the emails, but they left the name on the header...Achie Doug aka the Associate Athletics Director for Compliance and Camps at OSU....hmmmmmm
I think Archie Doug is just the dude that printed out the emails for OSU. I'd assume they were eventually forwarded to the Compliance Department.
Dont ruin my fantasy
Archie Doug is the originator of the Dougie.
And yes, he will teach it to you if you so desire.
Moral of the story: Do not retain this lawyer unless you want Jim Tressel to learn about your business.
I would not be surprised to see this lawyer in a lot of deep, deep shit for this. Sending those emails was highly unethical, and likely illegal.
Many 3Ls took the MPRE this weekend, and if this scenario was on there, this would be the hilarious free-points-because-it-is-so-obviously-unethical gimmie question.
"X hires an attorney Y when X is arrested for various crimes. X informs Y of some dealings he had with several football players. Attorney Y e-mails this information, unsolicited, to the players' coach, including information presumably collected as part of his representation of the client such as plea negotiations between the client and the government. He also confirms to the coach that he represents X in the matter. However, he includes a line in his third e-mail stating that the information is confidential, so could he please not share it. How screwed is Attorney Y?
a) Screwed
b) Screeeeeeeeeeewed
c) Proper fucked.
d) Get the fuck off my court"
I "LOL"d at "d)". And, for the record, this is not the typical internet situation where one claims to LOL when one actually did not. This was an honest to God OL L.
My dad's a retired attorney and I enjoy armchair legal debate. This is pretty much what I was thinking after I read the first e-mail. "Hey, heads up, my client has stuff from your players. Have a blessed day! DERP!" "Thanks! Go Bucks! DERP DERP!" That lawyer's going straight to the gas chamber for this.
Well that's a buzzkill, I was hoping more for a lawsuit/disbarment for him, and maybe a shiny new show-cause penalty for Tressel as well as some vacated awards for Pryor.
Killing people is some serious business...
My man, you are in for a treat. It's a great movie to watch with cocktails and friends.
Those emails are very damning. Excited to see them try to contain this ever growing brush fire
and press Send? This is Kwame-level stupidity if you're going to try and keep it quiet. And he saved the e-mails? This is not a wise man, or he's someone who believes he's above even needing to cover his tracks.
Happy Easter !! !
If it was done on university servers I'm sure they keep backups.
If you get an e-mail in your inbox and delete it that day, the servers won't back it up, even if your inbox folders are stored on the server. If you leave it overnight, it's backed up, but probably is overwritten the next evening when the back-up runs again (but more likely they keep several days or weeks of back-up). It's often possible to retrieve deleted files, but it takes a lot of effort.
But even if it was backed up, the lawyers likely weren't looking through the back-up servers. They were "reviewing information on an unrelated legal issue." This wasn't a forensic exercise where they were looking for deleted e-mails in a cover-up. Weren't even looking for this issue
Actually, most large companies or institutions likely scan all emails coming in and going out and log them for this exact situation. Two companies I worked for were audited for various reasons and we had to pull a couple years worth email records. Large institutions don't take chances and a lot of the logging is mandated for compliance reasons.
I've also known friends that got fired for applying to a jobs via email at work b/c their employer scanned all emails sent and received. Safe bet to assume anything you send/receive on the internet will be logged and saved somewhere. Paranoid? Probably a little.
My question is why doesn't Tressel (or any D1 coach for that matter) just have an automatic setting where emails to their public address go to some graduate assistant in the compliance department? Wouldn't this have solved the entire situation?
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that all those e-mails are backed up and archived.
I don't think I am, but see my reply below. You only archive and back-up e-mails you want to save. If you get a piece of spam and delete it, that won't be saved or archived.
On a private email server for a company, or in this case, university, not so much Emails deleted from your inbox on these servers are already backed up on tape drives and backup drives and everywhere else simply so nothing vital or irreplaceable is ever lost.
Publicly, it's hard to get a warrant to access a public email server, but usually the same backups and protection are in place. It's almost impossible to get rid of emails permanently unless you can actually get unrestricted access to the server room where your account is hosted.
my company. I find it hard to believe it would be true in others - if nothing is ever deleted, space is never freed up. Companies are forever trying to get employees to delete old files to free up space. And why would any organizations want to keep useless (e.g. spam) files in perpetuity?