Tom Izzo quotes on rivalry with UM

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January 16th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
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Tom Izzo quotes on rivalry with UM

Some quotes, courtesy of Joe Rexrode's twitter account:

Izzo on first ranked game since 1998: "It's hard to believe. ... It's been kind of a rollercoaster for both teams. Good for rivalry, state."

Izzo said Burke is different than Morris in that Burke does a bit more scoring than setting up.

Izzo: "I don't like anything about Michigan and they don't like anything about us, that's the way it should be."

Izzo: "Do I respect John Beilein? Tremendously. Do I respect U-M? Tremendously. Do I like them? Not one bit."

Izzo said Duke-UNC is a great rivalry because it's a coin flip every year. "I'm cool with that," he said, "I just want to win more flips."

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January 16th, 2012 at 2:26 PM | Sorry.  I have a difficult (Score:5 Normal)
CRISPed in the DIAG
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Sorry.  I have a difficult time disliking Izzo.  Do I want to beat his team/school/alumni/fanbase? Absofrigginlutely.  But he doesn't create the bile in me that his collegue on their tackle football team does.  /ducks

January 16th, 2012 at 2:35 PM | No need to duck I think a lot (Score:5 Normal)
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No need to duck I think a lot of people agree with you.  This could very well be because the football coach is such a massive tool-bag it makes Izzo look good by comparison, but I think it's a common sentiment.

Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought.  It always defeats order because it is better organized. 

January 16th, 2012 at 2:56 PM | Izzo runs a clean program.   (Score:5 Normal)
jtmc33
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Izzo runs a clean program.   And overall the players he has recruited have stayed out of trouble and not embarrassed the program.  Mostly because they know if they get one strike Izzo will show them the door.  

He also does not pander to one-and-done rented players like other "elite" programs (Kentucky, Memphis, Ohio, etc)

And most importantly, he always saves one schollarship for a little-to-no-talent red-head in an attempt to give them a chance in life.    So you know he has a heart too. 

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January 16th, 2012 at 3:58 PM | Uh, right... (Score:5 Normal)
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Izzo "runs a clean program?"  How would anyone really know?  Izzo used the Ed Martin Fiasco for negative recruiting against Michigan for at least ten years before it stopped working.  Tom Izzo became a star because the Martin Fiasco gave him carte blanche in what used to be one of the best states for basketball talent.  If it wasn't for Ed Martin, Tom Izzo would have been just what he has been the last couple of years: Jud Heathcoate v2.  

As for that "clean program," what about the Wonders Hall coverup?  Both players involved are starting for Sparty.  We're not talking about a DUI or smoking some pot here; we're talking about making a student suffer something nobody should ever suffer and getting away with it.   

Then, there is the "Spartan for life" hypocrisy.  Izzo was one LBJ "yes, I'm coming back" away from being a "Cavalier for life."  If there is anything Tom Izzo has proven, it's that he will say whatever he has to to cover his own ass, whether or not it is actually true.

Tom Izzo made his reputation by beating the University of Michigan's program down for over ten years.  Tom Izzo had one of the most talent-rich states in the country literally to himself for over ten years.  During all that time, he has won exactly as many NCAA Tournaments as Steve Fisher did after six games: one.

Tom Izzo doesn't like the University of Michigan one bit.  

I don't like Tom Izzo one bit, either.

 

 

 

January 16th, 2012 at 4:06 PM | I don't blame you for this (Score:1)
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I don't blame you for this sentiment.  He was also close to leaving for the NBA after the 2000 title (was reportedly convinced to stay during his *final* team meeting). But w/r/t negative recruiting - do we have evidence that Izzo used negative recruiting against UM?  Quotes...anectdoes?

January 16th, 2012 at 4:08 PM | You don't really have any (Score:-1 Normal)
January 16th, 2012 at 4:12 PM | 1) Please link to legitimate (Score:0 Trolling)
January 16th, 2012 at 4:33 PM | Not touching 2 or 3 (Score:5 Normal)
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But #1, call in sometime and ask Sam Webb about Izzo and recruiting against Michigan.

4 (and maybe 2 and 3)....You're sounding an awful lot like an MSU fan...which you can be on here, but it really brings into question your motivation for posting a thread on MSU's coach and what he's saying about Michigan, and then defending it, over and over, on a Michigan board.

Edit:  A little detective work, and seeing you joined right after a game against MSU, and all your posts are on MSU...you're not sounding like, you obviously are an MSU fan (should have guessed if you're following Rexrode's twitter).  So what's the motivation behind posting Izzo saying he doesn't like Michigan on a Michigan board? Other than stirring the pot.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

January 16th, 2012 at 4:34 PM | I've always admitted that I'm (Score:2 Normal)
gebe659
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I've always admitted that I'm an MSU fan and twice graduate.  I'm not here to flame, as you can probably tell by my points and how long I've been here... but when people start ripping on a man that I respect above almost everyone else in sports, I'm not going to be quiet.

Izzo is one of the most respected coaches in college basketball, both for his performance and his integrity.  There's a reason Beilein and Izzo like and respect each other.

January 17th, 2012 at 12:34 PM | Your Last sentence- (Score:0 Flamebait)
January 16th, 2012 at 4:44 PM | gotcha; good work (Score:1 Normal)
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January 16th, 2012 at 6:22 PM | I'm not sure you'll ever find (Score:2 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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I'm not sure you'll ever find published articles on coaches negatively recruiting.  Journalists don't write stories about that.  But all the insiders have acknowledged that Izzo was a shark in the waters during the Ed Martin scandal.  Likewise it's generally acknowledged that Les Miles used some dirty-pool tactics when he recruited a couple of players away from us, but I don't think you can find a published article on it.

January 16th, 2012 at 4:13 PM | Accuracy (Score:4 Normal)
Asmith1912
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Just for accuracy sake- Izzo didn't make a name for himself beating Michigan, he made a name for himself by winning a National Title. In addition in the last 3 years he has 2 Big Ten Championships and 2 Final Fours.

 

Michigan isn't actually that rich in talent, and Amaker recruited well, his teams just never got better.

January 16th, 2012 at 5:16 PM | Not anymore, but it certainly (Score:1)
blueblood06
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Not anymore, but it certainly was one of the most talent-rich states for the majority of Izzo's tenure.  I think that was the point. 

January 17th, 2012 at 1:04 AM | This guy.... this guy has no. (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 17th, 2012 at 1:12 AM | clean program? (Score:0 Flamebait)
January 16th, 2012 at 4:05 PM | I was in the same situation (Score:5 Normal)
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I was in the same situation as he is with us until last year, didn't like him but respected him. However, his hypocrticial whining after we beat them lost a lot of respect in my eyes.

January 16th, 2012 at 2:27 PM | I've always liked and (Score:3 Normal)
Oscar
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I've always liked and respected Tom Izzo.  commence negbomb...

January 16th, 2012 at 2:30 PM | Respect is a key part to any (Score:5 Normal)
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Respect is a key part to any rivalry, imo. I hate MSU more than I do OSU, but OSU has a tradition of winning that can be respected, at the very least. That's why it's still a better rivalry than UM-MSU.

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January 16th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | Absolutely no problems with (Score:4 Normal)
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Absolutely no problems with Izzo here as well.  All of those quotes are professional and he respects the hell out of the rivalry.  If you flipped all of those quotes around I'd believe the quotes came from our coach.  Shame about the football side of things.  A model for respectable professionalism is right under their nose.

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January 16th, 2012 at 2:33 PM | Izzo and Beilein are two of (Score:0 Trolling)
January 16th, 2012 at 3:04 PM | whoh whoh whoh (Score:3 Normal)
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Lets not go overboard and start saying nice things about Duke too. Coach K looks like Satan and that's all I need to know.

For the record, I'm not a eugenicist.
January 16th, 2012 at 4:46 PM | come to think of it, he looks (Score:1)
MGlobules
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likes Duke's mascot; has anyone ever photoshopped him up, mit horns?

January 16th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | Its hard not to respect Izzo. (Score:5 Normal)
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Its hard not to respect Izzo. He seems like a genuinely good person, and he actually disciplines players when they screw up unlike some other coaches there. To me Izzo is exactly the type of coach you would want to send your kids to. 

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January 16th, 2012 at 2:32 PM | He's way more palatable than (Score:2 Normal)
Wendyk5
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He's way more palatable than Dantonio. 

There's a time and a place for spontaneity. 

January 16th, 2012 at 10:09 PM | To be more palatable than (Score:1)
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To be more palatable than Dantonio isn't saying much.

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January 16th, 2012 at 2:33 PM | You won't be (Score:5 Normal)
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You won't be negbombed.

Why? Izzo is respectable.

If you said the same thing about Mark Dantonio? Negbombed.

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January 16th, 2012 at 3:04 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:5 Normal)
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Do I respect and like Tom Izzo? Absolutely.

Do I respect and like Mark Dantonio? Absolutely not.

Is this post irrelevant? Possibly, but I really fucking hate Dantonio.

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January 16th, 2012 at 3:08 PM | Sometimes the MGoBlog (Score:1)
Oscar
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Sometimes the MGoBlog community can be a little overxealous with their homerism, so I am a little surprised that Izzo is respected as much from us.  And since you brought it up I will address it, I definitely do not like Dantonio.

January 16th, 2012 at 2:36 PM | I respect and admire Coach Izzo as well (Score:2 Normal)
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but I find myself caring less and less on how respected and admired he is; perhaps familiarity breeds contempt...

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January 16th, 2012 at 7:55 PM | You are entitled to your opinion, I think.... (Score:3 Normal)
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But I don't like him.   Thought he was a jerk last year after claiming we ran the score up on him after running the score up on us at least two times that I can think of...A bit of a hypocrite. 

January 16th, 2012 at 2:33 PM | Yea- I too (Score:2 Normal)
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have a very hard time not liking Izzo.  He's a great ambassador of our State.  He's done nothing but great things for Michigan.  Guy is so passionate and blue collar.....everything I would want for a coach.

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January 16th, 2012 at 2:36 PM | As a fellow yooper and having (Score:2 Normal)
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As a fellow yooper and having done my undergrad at NMU I like Izzo.

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January 16th, 2012 at 2:38 PM | You can respect him, because he's on the up and up (Score:5 Normal)
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You don't have to like him. He's still the same guy who left his starters in to bomb us by 50; who guaranteed victory over us last year; and the guy who bad mouthed us on the recruiting trails for going on 20 years.  Clean, great coach.  But as Izzo says, I don't have to like him back either.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

January 16th, 2012 at 2:43 PM | Thank you for a good dose of (Score:1)
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Thank you for a good dose of reality, M-Wolverine. Our elephantine memories of past transgressions need to be prodded every now and then.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

January 16th, 2012 at 2:50 PM | I know that many people here (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 16th, 2012 at 2:59 PM | Izzo's a jackass.  He (Score:5 Normal)
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Izzo's a jackass.  He re-inserted Cleaves into that game so he could set the single-game assist record.  I don't think you're ever going to see John Beilein do that.

Also, the year before Izzo's guys threw an alley-oop in the final seconds of a lopsided game at Crisler.  Izzo never apologized, but then when the same thing happened to him by Wisconsin a couple of years later, Izzo threw a fit and vowed to "remember it".  

And yes, Izzo milked the Ed Martin scandal for all it was worth on the recruiting trail.  Any longtime recruiting analyst can attest to that one.   Recruiting's a dirty game and I don't think Izzo's necessarily worse than other coaches - but I don't have to like the guy for it.

January 16th, 2012 at 3:14 PM | Cleaves left the game for (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 16th, 2012 at 3:23 PM | There was a definitely a game (Score:4 Normal)
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There was a definitely a game where MSU threw an alley-oop in the final seconds, because I saw it live.  It was in Crisler, not Breslin.  I don't remember if it was in 1999 or 2000, but it was one of those years.  MSU could have dribbled out the clock but decided to rub it in our faces instead.  Now I don't know if Izzo called for it or not,  but it was pretty lame of Izzo to throw a fit when Wisconsin did the same thing to him later on.

 

January 16th, 2012 at 2:59 PM | Didn't cleaves throw a half (Score:5 Normal)
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Didn't cleaves throw a half court alley-oop to richardson with around 10 seconds to play with none of our guys really running down the court? Yeah, fuck that. If that isn't running up the score, I don't know what is

January 16th, 2012 at 3:06 PM | No.  Cleaves left the game (Score:0 Trolling)
January 16th, 2012 at 3:23 PM | The pass and dunk still happened, even if it wasn't Mateen. (Score:5 Normal)
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Check out The 7:58 mark.  That is Richardson on the receiving end.

And as the poster pointed out above, it wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't such a flaming hypocrite about it when it was done to him.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

January 16th, 2012 at 6:20 PM | Whoever designed our jerseys (Score:3 Normal)
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Whoever designed our jerseys for that year was an idiot

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January 16th, 2012 at 3:40 PM | How does his post get marked (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 16th, 2012 at 3:47 PM | Because he's saying people's memories are bad (Score:5 Normal)
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When he's remembering the game erroneously too.  And using the fact that it was someone else throwing the pass to Richardson for a last minute, running up the score dunk to obscure the point that's actually being made, that he was running up the score, while at the same time denying it ever happened.  Which it did. That's why.

Multiple times defending  51 point victory against Michigan as "good sportsmanship" on a Michigan board probably isn't a great strategy either.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

January 16th, 2012 at 3:51 PM | I'm not saying it was "good (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 16th, 2012 at 4:06 PM | And again, we're talking about Izzo (Score:4 Normal)
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Not whether Chappell is a good sport, or likeable. Don't suddenly make like Izzo doesn't have control of what his team does for the last 4 minutes.  I'd love to hear any link of what "punishment" was ever given out by Izzo over that.

Starters were in there up 50, with 4 minutes left. They hadn't run it from 25 to 50 in the previous 3 minutes or anything. It had been 40 or more for a LONG time. 30 something since the half.  If someone had given Cleaves a hard foul, or heck, someone just twisted any ankle with say, 7:00 left (or 9..or 13), Izzo would have had a hard time convincing anyone the starters were still in there because he was afraid our starters were going to mount some gigantic comeback.  He was running up the score, that's all. He's not required to keep it down when we haven't pulled. But he doesn't get to claim the "classy mantle" after he does it too.

But he DOES earn the hypocritical mantle when he complains about it happening to him later.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

January 16th, 2012 at 9:46 PM | This might be too old school, (Score:5 Normal)
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This might be too old school, but I had a much bigger problem with Ellerbe and the M players in that game than with Izzo or any of the MSU players. The M players just flat out quit playing in that game. I don't see why the MSU players have to as well. If you're playing hard, that alley-oop either doesn't happen, or Richardson winds up in a pile of limbs on the floor. Either one is acceptable in those circumstances, IME.

Frankly, I haven't seen much fire in an M player after the Fab Five except for Darius Morris and Zack Novak. Ellerbe and Amaker (and Beilein to a lesser degree) always seemed like they brought knives to gunfights. I'm guessing that will change when Sherrif McGary comes into town.

January 16th, 2012 at 3:48 PM | Because anything not agreeing (Score:0 Trolling)
January 16th, 2012 at 4:02 PM | You are missing the point. I (Score:5 Normal)
BigBlue02
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You are missing the point. I said it was cleaves and it wasn't. Great detective work. Does that mean shooting 3's and throwing half court alley-oops under a minute while up 50 is not running up the score?

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