True Blue Grit

July 13th, 2016 at 10:48 AM ^

At this point it's probably bust.  The Supreme Court is highly unlikely to hear the case.  He can always try and pursue some non-judicial options like a social media scorched-Earth campaign against Roger Goodell (fuck him BTW), but that is probably not going to be worth it. 

bluebyyou

July 13th, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^

I have always wondered if this issue was big enough for the NFLPA to threaten to go on strike notwithstanding the language of the contract.  The Court's earlier decision did not address the substance of the case but only the power of the commissioner.  

I also wonder whether Brady might be able to prevail in a slander case.

The NFL owners only understand one thing and that is money.

bluebyyou

July 13th, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^

One player?  Not hardly.  It's about Goodell acting as judge, jury and executioner regardless of the evidence or the agreed upon punishment, with the players having no recourse until the next contract.  In this instance it impacts one player, but every other player in the NFL is subject to similar treatment by Goodell.

UM Fan from Sydney

July 13th, 2016 at 10:51 AM ^

stop with the "gate" garbage

dumbest thing ever and we can thank the idiots in the media for it

DMill2782

July 13th, 2016 at 10:56 AM ^

standard rules of arbitration are all irrelevant in the NFL. Goodell can suspend someone for sneezing too hard in a meeting. That's really neat.

Great work 2nd Circuit. Really setting a wonderful precedent for arbitration going forward!

GoBlueInNYC

July 13th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^

As I understand it, the "evidence, truth, science..." stuff is irrelevant in this case. I think the ruling is strictly on whether or not Goddell has the authority to hand down punishments. It's not a ruling on the actual legitimacy of Goddell's punishment, just whether or not he has the authority to punish.

DMill2782

July 13th, 2016 at 11:34 AM ^

However, Tom was punished based on lies by the NFL and the "science" expert they hired in Exponent. The whole thing is bullshit.

This gives Goodell authority to do whatever he wants in arbitration. That includes making up new grounds for the punishment after an arbitration hearing has concluded. That goes against everything arbitation is about.

Wide sweeping power granted by the CBA does not give any arbitrator the right to change the grounds for punishment without giving notice to the person being punished. 

NRK

July 13th, 2016 at 12:32 PM ^

Your last sentence is the real issue - and the larger issue that comes from this. The appeal was really based on a review of the arbitrator's power, not on the power granted Goodell (since he was acting as an arbitrator when he upheld the suspension).

That's why you saw so many people/groups with a vested interest in arbitration (arbitrators, unions, etc.) file briefs in support of an en banc hearing.

NRK

July 13th, 2016 at 7:27 PM ^

I was in the exact same boat. It was one of those "while these are rarely granted, this is THE type of case that could be the 1%." 

I was definitely surprised today by the decision. Even if he didn't win en banc, I actually expected it get to that hearing so they could clean up the record a little bit and answer some of the criticisms. Then again it's the Second Circuit so I suppose I shouldn't have been shocked with them siding with an employer.

03 Blue 07

July 13th, 2016 at 8:29 PM ^

Cosign. I am surprised as well. I thought for sure they'd get the en banc, for the reason you state, as well as because the chief judge of the 2nd Circuit is the one who dissented in the original 2-1 decision. By denying en banc, I think the 2nd Circuit has more or less put the final nail in this coffin; I can't see much of a chance that SCOTUS accepts cert for this one.



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PopeLando

July 13th, 2016 at 10:58 AM ^

So it appears that Roger indeed has the authority to hand out punishment basically because he wants to, lack of evidence be damned. If there's a better situation for our "cum on the mirror" saying, I haven't seen it...

uferblue

July 13th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^

You can blame the players union for agreeing to that. They really miss Gene Upshaw, Winston and Smith were taken to the cleaners by the owners last time around. Hell, NFL players practically put their life on the line every time they take the field and they don't even have guaranteed contracts. Timofey Mazgov is gonna make more money than most NFL players and that's an utter joke. Especially for a league that is expected to top $13 billion in revenues in 2016.

grumbler

July 13th, 2016 at 11:14 AM ^

So it appears that the Players Association gave him exactly that authority.  Brady being a player rep makes this a bit ironic, but the players should not have been so naive about the incompetence and lack of judgement of the commissioner.  The NFL commissioner is owned by the owners of the teams, and the NFLPA was foolish to agree to grant him any power of discipline at all.  All discipline cases should have been sent to an outside arbitrator.

charblue.

July 13th, 2016 at 12:43 PM ^

him, it was a compromise deal that finally led to the last players union agreement with the league. The players have been fighting Goodell over this for sometime and were hopeful that the courts would give them something to go on. Not that deflategate was the best case to challenge commissioner disciiplinary control.

grumbler

July 13th, 2016 at 9:11 PM ^

Of course the NFLPA  agreed to this authority.  It us in the CBA.  It was dumb of them to agree, but, yes, they did agree.

If the NFLPA couldn't get the courts to agree that Goodell was being arbitrary in this case, there Goodell imposed a six+ million dollar fine when there is no evidence that any rules violation occurred, let alone that Brady was the culprit, Goodell couldn''t lose any suit over his authority.  The NFLPA fucked up big time, and they'd be foolish to allow the NFL Commisiioner to have any disciplinary authority in the next CBA.

markp

July 13th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^

My knee-jerk reaction was "Yeah, stop this GATE stuff. It's lame!" but after thinking about it for a second, it's a very convenient way to refer to things.

Sure, someone could type "The Tom Brady ball-inflation incident and subsequent litigation" but DeflateGate is much a tidier way to say the same thing.  Lame and effective are not mutually exclusive.

lilpenny1316

July 13th, 2016 at 11:09 AM ^

There's a Watergate hotel, but no Deflategate stadium or footballs made by the Deflategate division of Riddell.  It was very convenient for the origin of this "gate" phrase to happen in a place that allows for easy linguistic manipulation.

Too bad those folks back in the 70s couldn't have broken into the Mandarin Oriental.  I don't think anyone would've touched that one.