wildbackdunesman

June 10th, 2023 at 1:43 PM ^

I had a class in the basement of Angell Hall and in the hallway there was some sort of a math award that he had won while at UofM with his name among others on the plaque.

Enough people complained and the whole award was taken down or relocated. Not sure if it ever went back up minus his name.

Clarence Boddicker

June 10th, 2023 at 2:51 PM ^

Mooseman and the Material Girl. 2021. Dir. Nora Ephron. Starring: Tom Holland; Jenny Ortega.

A young Madonna (Ortega) longs to drop out of college, move to New York City, and star in music videos. Then she meets Mooseman (Holland), a backwoodsman who teaches her the joys of hunting, fishing, and chewing tobacco. Will Madonna's love for Mooseman derail her dreams? Lifetime, Sunday 9pm.

XM - Mt 1822

June 12th, 2023 at 11:31 AM ^

i'm not going to start a new thread, but i saw this and thought it was pretty darn funny:

Sad: Invitations To Unabomber's Funeral Mailed Out, But No One Wants To Open Them

BUTNER, NC — In a tragic development, invitations to the Unabomber's funeral were sent out via mail, but no one has yet been willing to open one.

"Seems like a bad idea," said former neighbor Daniel Jones, as he laid the invitation aside. "One more bomb in the mail would just be so like Ted."

BlockM

June 10th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^

Not a fan of the death penalty, but I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over him passing away...

Who's got the top spot as worst alumnus now?

ShadowStorm33

June 10th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^

Not to defend Guiteau, but shitty and extremely unsanitary doctors had about as much to with Garfield's death as Guiteau's bullet. It wasn't so much the bullet that killed him as it was the infection caused by doctors continually probing for it with dirty fingers and tools; honestly there's a decent chance he would have lived if they just left it alone. 

Alexander Graham Bell invented the metal detector to try and find the bullet, but his attempts were thwarted because Garfield was lying on a metal spring mattress that distorted the signal (and no one seemed to realize the problem). 

All in all it's pretty fascinating stuff...

WCHBlog

June 11th, 2023 at 12:13 AM ^

Many doctors at the time had started to adopt it. Garfield's doctor was both of an older school and staunchly territorial in terms of protecting his prestige as the President's doctor.

The bed spring story is only partly true. Bell was only permitted to search the right side of Garfield's chest where his doctor insisted the bullet was lodged, and not the left side of his chest where the bullet actually was.

XM - Mt 1822

June 10th, 2023 at 3:04 PM ^

here's something you don't read every day...

"In other incidents, Duvalier ordered the head of an executed rebel packed in ice and brought to him so he could commune with the dead man's spirit.[25] Peepholes were carved into the walls of the interrogation chambers, through which Duvalier watched Haitian detainees being tortured and submerged in baths of sulfuric acid; sometimes, he was in the room during the torture.[26]"

i had no idea who papa doc was.  wow. 

MgoBlaze

June 10th, 2023 at 3:11 PM ^

This is the correct answer, I think.

HH Holmes, even if he was Jack the Ripper, killed about 30ish people. Not great, of course.

But that was literally just the night of March 14, 1908 for Duvalier.

"1908 (March 14): At least 27 political opponents or alleged opponents, most of them from the intellectual and social elites, were arrested and executed in the evening of March 14; some were also mutilated. Massillon Coicou, one of the most prominent Haitian poets of the early 20th century, was the first victim of the killings (his death inspired Le Poète assassiné by the French poet Apollinaire.) Coicou’s body was decapitated, then thrown into a mass grave."

All of the political and military leaders of that massacre were subsequently "tried" and pardoned.

Incidentally, the US Army's actions in Haiti while putting down a peasant uprising for Duvalier were... not great either.

"In addition to executions and violence against unarmed combatants, the US Army and its Haitian auxiliaries (the gendarmerie) allegedly committed massive killings and acts of violence against the civilian population. According to oral testimony gathered by historian Roger Gaillard (1981b, 1983), these included summary executions, rapes, setting houses on fire after gathering their inhabitants inside them, lynchings, and torching civilians alive; one local public figure was buried alive. The names, in Créole, of the US officers who committed acts of violence against civilians, are still present in collective memory in the affected areas: Ouiliyanm (Lieutenant Lee Williams), Linx (Commandant Freeman Lang) and Captain Lavoie (Gaillard, 1981: 27-71). H.J. Seligman (in Gaillard, 1983), a US journalist who investigated the occupation, asserted that US soldiers practiced “bumping off Gooks,” (shooting civilians) as if it were a sport or a shooting exercise. A 1922 internal US army report recognized and justified the execution of women and children, presenting them as “auxiliaries” of the Cacos (in Gaillard, 1983: 259)."

Yikes. Like the old saying goes, wherever there's a dictator in central or South America, the US Army is what keeps them in power (Panama, Nicaragua, Chile, etc). If HH Holmes had lived in Bolivia during the times of Operation Condor, he probably would have been given a government position by Kissinger and done a lot of the same things.

Papa Doc had somewhere between 50k and 100k people killed, many tortured before death. Unless Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Leopold, Hirohito, Mao/Xi, or Kissinger himself did a year at U of M, he's hard to beat.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-07-17-mn-21669-story.html

 

MgoBlaze

June 10th, 2023 at 4:19 PM ^

Linky link for that 70k number?

Both were definitely repressive dictators, but both were also put in a no-win situation by US foreign policy. The hostility against communism as an ideology and communists/socialists has tended to create more problems than it's solved.

If they were CIA puppets like Pinochet (3-4k killed in the coup against the democratically elected Salvador Allende) or Videla (13-30k dead/disappeared) instead of socialists, I don't think they'd have anywhere near the notoriety that they do.