Semi - OT: Ted Kaczynski kicked the bucket
He died in his cell. I'll venture to say he should have been given the death penalty for murdering 3 people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-found-dead-prison-cell-rcna88702
I had a class in the basement of Angell Hall and in the hallway there was some sort of a math award that he had won while at UofM with his name among others on the plaque.
Enough people complained and the whole award was taken down or relocated. Not sure if it ever went back up minus his name.
HH Holmes photo is displayed clear as day at UMHS tunnel connecting the Cancer Center to the Main hospital.
Now that tunnel problem is a killer!
As a fellow CAUP grad, I think we shoulda reclaim the HHH plaque
It's the Sumner Myers Award that is still awarded by the math department. The plaque is in East Hall.
At one point, he lived in East Quad (3rd Prescott) like Madonna and me.
You roomed with Madonna, wow!
Oh yeah. Like a virgin, my ass.
Mooseman and the Material Girl. 2021. Dir. Nora Ephron. Starring: Tom Holland; Jenny Ortega.
A young Madonna (Ortega) longs to drop out of college, move to New York City, and star in music videos. Then she meets Mooseman (Holland), a backwoodsman who teaches her the joys of hunting, fishing, and chewing tobacco. Will Madonna's love for Mooseman derail her dreams? Lifetime, Sunday 9pm.
To be honest, I had an exploding package as well. It just went off too early and without the desired result.
I thought Madonna lived in Stockwell, aka The Virgin Vault. Apparently what a misnomer.
If she had, that'd be a fun coincidence that Dean Stockwell (Al from Quantum Leap) played her dad in the made-for-TV movie about her.
I didn't live in East Quad but I spent all my time there. It was way more my style than MoJo which is where my room was.
Madonna never lived in East Quad, sorry. She did live at U Towers. I knew her in high school and was living in East Quad when she came to A2. Just no.
I know she lived at U Towers as a sophomore. Are you saying she got a freshman exemption to live off campus?
I guess when you're Madonna...
I did not realize she lived there. I lived for a year in University Towers, so that will be a new fun fact to share during party games.
In terms of the main thread, being a math grad student at UM when the Unabomber was caught definitely made for interesting times.
You sound too old to say “just no”
i'm not going to start a new thread, but i saw this and thought it was pretty darn funny:
Sad: Invitations To Unabomber's Funeral Mailed Out, But No One Wants To Open Them
BUTNER, NC — In a tragic development, invitations to the Unabomber's funeral were sent out via mail, but no one has yet been willing to open one.
"Seems like a bad idea," said former neighbor Daniel Jones, as he laid the invitation aside. "One more bomb in the mail would just be so like Ted."
Not a fan of the death penalty, but I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over him passing away...
Who's got the top spot as worst alumnus now?
Madonna in her 60s.
Madonna in her 20's was much worse. Now she's reaping what she sowed and is a wonderful example of the bitter fruit of a debauched life. Long may she live!
'Debauched.' Wow. We do have some Puritan scolds here. At least 11 of them at present count.
Debauched is a French term. But how else could you describe Madonna's life? She not only personified it, she preached it.
object lesson for the price paid to try and hang on to beauty and youth.
she could scare the buzzards off of a garbage scow right now.
well. that’s weird.
We also had HH Holmes and Leon Czolgosz at least attend UofM.
Czolgosz didn’t attend UM. He was born in Detroit and raised in Alpena.
My bad, I was thinking of the wrong presidential assassin.
https://brewminate.com/charles-guiteau-crazed-assassin-of-president-james-a-garfield-in-1881/
Charles Guiteau, the assassin of Garfield, attended both Pioneer and UM.
Not to defend Guiteau, but shitty and extremely unsanitary doctors had about as much to with Garfield's death as Guiteau's bullet. It wasn't so much the bullet that killed him as it was the infection caused by doctors continually probing for it with dirty fingers and tools; honestly there's a decent chance he would have lived if they just left it alone.
Alexander Graham Bell invented the metal detector to try and find the bullet, but his attempts were thwarted because Garfield was lying on a metal spring mattress that distorted the signal (and no one seemed to realize the problem).
All in all it's pretty fascinating stuff...
I've read that before! I guess nobody thought about the metal spring mattress because they were newer.
In their defense, the doctors at the time hadn't really adopted the germ theory of disease (Lister's practices weren't widely adopted yet and Koch hadn't published his work, IIRC). Unlike later charlatans that deny science they had good reason for their ignorance.
Many doctors at the time had started to adopt it. Garfield's doctor was both of an older school and staunchly territorial in terms of protecting his prestige as the President's doctor.
The bed spring story is only partly true. Bell was only permitted to search the right side of Garfield's chest where his doctor insisted the bullet was lodged, and not the left side of his chest where the bullet actually was.
The sad thing is that during this period British doctor Joseph Lister was making headlines with his discoveries about how proper antiseptic measures like wearing gloves and using sanitized instruments helped prevent life threatening infections during surgery.
Oh my - Had an idea of HH Holmes and the murder castle in Chicago. That HH disappeared from Chicago with no trace for the same dates that Jack The Ripper was doing his work in London and that there is an HH Holmes signature on a boat over the water for that time...LORD!
Still a toss up between he and Madonna.
I had to refresh my memory re HH Holmes. I always mix him up with GG Allin.
Deep cut, bro.
Dave Brandon?
HH Holmes has that by a fair stretch. Serial killer who murdered seven people three of whom were children. Two of the children were gassed to death in a trunk.
Should have been more specific, was wondering about the worst living alumnus.
I would agree, H.H. was probably in the top spot while he was alive.
I'm not sure what basis we ought to use for comparison, but I would like to nominate Papa Doc for consideration for a top ten list.
Good call.
here's something you don't read every day...
"In other incidents, Duvalier ordered the head of an executed rebel packed in ice and brought to him so he could commune with the dead man's spirit.[25] Peepholes were carved into the walls of the interrogation chambers, through which Duvalier watched Haitian detainees being tortured and submerged in baths of sulfuric acid; sometimes, he was in the room during the torture.[26]"
i had no idea who papa doc was. wow.
The Michigan difference.
He was also leader of the Free World and got owned by Rabbit in a rap battle.
This is the correct answer, I think.
HH Holmes, even if he was Jack the Ripper, killed about 30ish people. Not great, of course.
But that was literally just the night of March 14, 1908 for Duvalier.
"1908 (March 14): At least 27 political opponents or alleged opponents, most of them from the intellectual and social elites, were arrested and executed in the evening of March 14; some were also mutilated. Massillon Coicou, one of the most prominent Haitian poets of the early 20th century, was the first victim of the killings (his death inspired Le Poète assassiné by the French poet Apollinaire.) Coicou’s body was decapitated, then thrown into a mass grave."
All of the political and military leaders of that massacre were subsequently "tried" and pardoned.
Incidentally, the US Army's actions in Haiti while putting down a peasant uprising for Duvalier were... not great either.
"In addition to executions and violence against unarmed combatants, the US Army and its Haitian auxiliaries (the gendarmerie) allegedly committed massive killings and acts of violence against the civilian population. According to oral testimony gathered by historian Roger Gaillard (1981b, 1983), these included summary executions, rapes, setting houses on fire after gathering their inhabitants inside them, lynchings, and torching civilians alive; one local public figure was buried alive. The names, in Créole, of the US officers who committed acts of violence against civilians, are still present in collective memory in the affected areas: Ouiliyanm (Lieutenant Lee Williams), Linx (Commandant Freeman Lang) and Captain Lavoie (Gaillard, 1981: 27-71). H.J. Seligman (in Gaillard, 1983), a US journalist who investigated the occupation, asserted that US soldiers practiced “bumping off Gooks,” (shooting civilians) as if it were a sport or a shooting exercise. A 1922 internal US army report recognized and justified the execution of women and children, presenting them as “auxiliaries” of the Cacos (in Gaillard, 1983: 259)."
Yikes. Like the old saying goes, wherever there's a dictator in central or South America, the US Army is what keeps them in power (Panama, Nicaragua, Chile, etc). If HH Holmes had lived in Bolivia during the times of Operation Condor, he probably would have been given a government position by Kissinger and done a lot of the same things.
Papa Doc had somewhere between 50k and 100k people killed, many tortured before death. Unless Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Leopold, Hirohito, Mao/Xi, or Kissinger himself did a year at U of M, he's hard to beat.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-07-17-mn-21669-story.html
Except for Castro and Chavez of course.
US actions in the Philippines were not great either.
Do you think Castro and Chavez are on the level of the others on that list? If so, why? Please support your answer with links.
I haven't found anything to conclusively support genocide by either, let alone the level of murderous cruelty of Papa Doc or Leopold.
Castro murdered at least 70,000 people. Castro is essentially the Cuban Mussolini.
Chavez isn’t quite as lethal, but a dictator nonetheless. I wouldn’t say he is at their level though.
The Cold War compounded the issues left over from European colonialism in Latin America.
Linky link for that 70k number?
Both were definitely repressive dictators, but both were also put in a no-win situation by US foreign policy. The hostility against communism as an ideology and communists/socialists has tended to create more problems than it's solved.
If they were CIA puppets like Pinochet (3-4k killed in the coup against the democratically elected Salvador Allende) or Videla (13-30k dead/disappeared) instead of socialists, I don't think they'd have anywhere near the notoriety that they do.