FauxMo

June 22nd, 2017 at 9:33 AM ^

Cool! Now when a student inevitably gets hit for wandering into the street with a, "but I'm a UM student and we have the right of way at all times and are immune to thousands of pounds of fast-moving metal" attitude, there will be far less driver guilt! Unless these self-driving cars have human emotions and are self-aware, in which case it will soon rule the world... 

LKLIII

June 22nd, 2017 at 10:26 AM ^

I fantasize about a life rewind button for this very scenario. Even if the rewind button is only good for one rewinding of 5 minutes once per 24 hours, I'd use this on almost a daily basis driving around for this exact purpose. Just to see the utter shock and dismay on their face as they get hit. Then rewind so no long term consequences. It's not just students. I also see certain jaywalking individuals see a car and almost SLOW DOWN to exert power/get under the skin of the driver. I don't mind people jaywalking. But do it when it's safe & jog across. Don't bolt in front of cars or slowly walk across in a passive aggressive way.

blue in dc

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:38 AM ^

I have equal anger for drivers who don't yield when they are clearly required to. If you can't stop behind the friggin line and instead wait at the light in the middle of the cross walk, make a left turn without slowing down as a pedestrian is obviously begining to cross the street or don't stop when there is a friggin sign tht says "yield to pedestrians", you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Being in a car doesn't convey the right to be a total asshole who endangers the lifes of pedestrians. Thank you for the opportunity to vent.

FauxMo

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^

I have no doubt there are two sides to this, and lots of a-hole drivers on campus. But man, I creep through campus when the students are in town (I worked on Central Campus for 8 or 9 years, FYI), and it's still really hard. You get to that corner at East U and State, and even if you're going 4 mph and have your head on a swivel, you're still going to encounter a student leaping out between two parked cars. You slam on the brakes, and they stare at YOU like you're going 75 while texting. It's annoying as shit... 

LKLIII

June 22nd, 2017 at 1:19 PM ^

Don't disagree, but logic & prudence would suggest that the person not enveloped in 2,000 lbs of metal should be the person more alert, simply becasue if they screw up it could be their life or limb.  Legal liability is always that the pedestrian has the right of way, but as a practical matter, I'm not sure most folks should be willing to risk their life or limb just because they'd win a legal battle.  "Right" is not the same thing as "Happy."

But it seems like the attitude of a lot of the students around the central campus is:

 

blue in dc

June 24th, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^

All those asshole pedestrians ensure that all those asshole drivers are on good behavior. Try walking most other places and the asshole drivers definately outweigh the asshole pedestrians. With the privilege of driving a 2000 lb vehicle comes some friggen resposibility. It ain't that hard. Stop-sign/stoplight - come to complete stop before the crosswalk Making left turn (particularly in an area where you should expect pedestrians) - come to a complete stop and look for pedestrians before turning. Crosswalk without a light - look for pedestrians Yes, a prudent pedestrian should realize they lose, even when they are right, that doesn't mean that the person driving the car is not being a complete asshole. I've literally had to jump on the hood of a car to avoid being hit while walking on the friggen sidewalk because some asshole driver sped out of a parking garage. I also almost got hit, when a car yielded to me in the crosswalk (that had multiple yield to pedestrian signs) and some asshole driver coming down the road behind them swerved to pass them instead of also yielding.

Greg McMurtry

June 22nd, 2017 at 10:38 AM ^

I don't mind so much the people with some disregard of the rules. The people who lazily, arrogantly veer diagonally across the street--now they're assholes. The proper etiquette is to begin a slight hop/jog and put one arm up as to say "whoops, my bad, didn't see you," even though we both know you saw me and you're somewhat of a dick, but I'll forgive you.

crg

June 22nd, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^

Relevant story (bro?):

Back in my undergrad days (early 2000's), I was walking back from a UM home game that just finished a few minutes earlier.  I was on the sidewalk along Hoover street, which was mostly full of other people also leaving the game.  There were a few cars queued up in the street, all of them basically crawling along the way as best they could.  I heard somewhere behind me one of the cars start honking a bit, clearly in frustration.  I didn't pay it much attention and kept going (being on the sidewalk).  Less than a minute later I hear a noise and look to my left, just in time to catch this car plowing into the back of a group of about 3-4 people. They were right in the middle of the street and the car was only going 10-20 mph, but still they all basically bounced off the car in various directions.  The car slowed to a crawl (I assume the driver and at least one passenger inside, from what I saw, looked to see if the people were ok) and then proceeded to continue on to the intersection of State street and leave.  I and about 10 other people were able to catch the plate ID (easy since it was an out-of-state plate and a very unusual custom plate ID).  Ambulance showed up very quickly and police several minutes later, and we all stuck around to give statements.  The group of people were a few guys and a girl (all students from what I could tell).  The guys looked like they were ok, but the girl had some significant injuries to her leg and/or ankle - taken away in ambulance.  Time passes and I get a call from AAPD asking if I would testify in court (conveniently sceduled during my final exams the next semester).  More time passes and on the day before trial I get another call saying the defendent made a plea bargain: I don't need to testify and can take my exams on time.  Story over, right?  Years later I read/hear about a prominent name of someone connected to the program that rings a bell - it takes me a minute, but I recall exactly where I saw that name: the same defendent from the trial.  And to this day, this person is still there in a very public role.  Not to say that justice wasn't served (I'm sure the victims got a nice payout), but this should have been felony level hit-and-run.

Long story short (too late), everyone needs to just follow the rules - safer for all.

 

ChuckieWoodson

June 22nd, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^

I've always been fasinated with the legal implications of autonomous vehicles.

Do we know what happens if this thing runs over a kid, breaks his leg - who is at fault? Can the kid sue the U, software company, etc?

lhglrkwg

June 22nd, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^

It''d be nice to have these things going 24/7 so when us poor engineers are leaving the Dude at 4 am, you don't have to wait around forever for that taxi service (assuming that's still a thing)

Though I don't think it said how exactly these things run. With all the hacking stuff going on globally, I'm leery of how susceptible self-driving vehicles are to getting 'hacked'

LSAClassOf2000

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^

Well, you know how it is in research engineering....teething issues, that kind of thing. Either an adjustment to the sensors or a much larger human being has to stand there before we test it again. It's definitely one of those two things. 

ijohnb

June 22nd, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^

Has the world reached the point of diminishing returns with regard to technological advancement?  Is a self-driving shuttle a "good thing" and/or a development to be applauded?  Is innovation mere for innovation's sake really innovative at all, or merely gratuitous?

I don't know anymore.

UMProud

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:26 AM ^

No...technology is acccelerating and driving cultural change. The main factie us reduction in labor costs which is not a good thing for future generations. Think Rome where you had the rich, the poor and the slaves. Automation will replace many middle class jobs. Our wealth strata will resemble Rome I fear. The people who claim that automation jobs will offset the middle class implosion do not understand automation.

ijohnb

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:42 AM ^

I have a ten year old right now, and his future..... frankly his future looks pretty bleak.  He was not born into wealth and is from a historically working class-middle class family going back generations.  I am not quite sure what to tell him.  Invent some shit, fast.  Become a doctor.  That is about it.  I can't see him on my life or my father's life.  I don't think that life will exist 20 years from now. 

It seems like that is the fundamental question at issue in the political divide in the country.  How to cope with how quickly society is changing and what that means for future generations.  You have the "turn back the clockers" v. "redistribution of wealthers."  Except for the fact that you cannot turn back the clock and that redistribution of wealth has historically only resulted in more intense and widespread poverty than the inequality it purports to address.

So, usually I just shrug..... and start drinking early.

UMProud

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^

My suggestion would be a trades related occupation such as plumbing, electrical or HVAC. I'm not sure it will be possible to automate goimg to someone's home and replacing their furnace for instance. Better yet he owns the business. Even anesthesiologists and brain surgeons are being threatened by automation. Mutual fund managers are being replaced with software...as are accountants. Young people need to carefully research a career choice in the light of it being possibly automated in the near future.

ijohnb

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:52 AM ^

why all of the political discord is so frustrating right now.  There is an obvious and inevitable problem on the horizon, coming fast, and instead of trying to look at it as a problem that people need to work together to solve, most people are simply calling each other names because the problem does not have an easy solution and is a real genuine threat to everybody.  That is scary, and it is kind of understandable why people are beginning to freak out a little bit.

BlueWon

June 22nd, 2017 at 12:03 PM ^

Making sure the children of coal miners are educated in automotive cybersecurity is.

Too political?

BlueWon

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:42 AM ^

hurtling down the road whilst eating a Big Mac is some sort of advanced driving system.

Or that guy who just drank eight beers and hits the road.

UMProud

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^

Actually a human brain is an incredibly powerful advanced CPU. If you draw a logic diagram of all the human activities within a 10 second span while driving on the freeway it would be eye opening. I still do not believe automation is ready for high speed autonomy in human environments.

BlueWon

June 22nd, 2017 at 11:57 AM ^

should not have anything to do with directing a car (but it does).

Respectfully, you're wrong. The new NVDA chipsets are incredibly powerful and don't drink.

The efficiencies to be wrought from automation and, in particular, AV, are immense. Ten years from now you'll be able to hail an AV from an Uber-like app and it will be at your door in a few minutes. Transportation as a Service.