i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Schad: Patterson receives new contract extension @ TCU
Simultaneous FML post! Win!
I wish it were a win :(
If DB doesn't pull out a magical jackrabbit not names Hoke or Miles, then he has seriously lost a lot of credibility with me. He promised something not expected, but great. Niether are they.
DOOM on all fronts. The Pimp Hand was a lie.
The legend (now myth) of the pimp hand was our only salvation. The curtain has been drawn back and Oz is revealed. Devastating. Can Barwis coach?
I already told everyone what Brandon's "pimp hand" was doing in a previous thread. . . It was down my pants most of the day.
With each passing day the next best coaching option goes up in smoke. It is looking more and more likely that my former high school coach has a legitimate chance at landing this job.
You mean he hasn't already lost serious credibility with you? Even if he has a master plan that ends up brilliantly, three weeks looking like we have no idea what we're doing seriously hurts whatever brand he wants to establish. This makes two straight coaching searches in which we've looked like idiots, under two consecutive ADs, and I can't imagine what coach would be stupid enough to volunteer to be DB's rabbit à la Rich Rod for Bill Martin.
Let the hilarity ensue. I am guessing the "firm" DB is using to find candidates is getting thin on candidates, as is my patience with DB.
I am going to Vegas to find the American Dream....and maybe a corch. My attorney will fill you in with all the details. Going to go take odds on DB's length as AD. Any takers?
Does Brandon have a boat?
Best. Post. Ever.
That is absolutely classic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is the best thing I have seen all day.
That's excellent. Trying to laugh through the pain...
When I saw BOFINDER I also thought "Bowfinger", Eddie's great in that one.
of the spot in that movie where steve martin says he wants the best film crew money can buy. Next scene is him driving the van to pick up illegal aliens to be the film crew. I think we are headed in the same direction with this search.
+1 million points for this post
Get your beer goggles ready for the slump-buster!
.....and RR was the pretty cute chick who would have done anything to be with him, including dropping 20 pounds but he didn't want anything to do with her. He'll regret that in 3 years when that sleezy chick bangs another dude.
you finally decide to go back to the "sure thing" fat chick only to find she's already hooked up with some other dude. Now you're desperate and you end up with some crack whore (fill in loser name of choice) and you're destined for at least 3 more years of taking what you can get from this skank before starting all over again. BRANDY NOOOOO!!!!
I think DB would be going by himself and doing the five-finger-shuffle. There is desperation on both sides(UM for Harbaugh, Hoke for UM). We need to hit a home run with the choice but only have the ability to hit singles. I really like Patterson and Mullen, maybe Fitzgerald, but we'll probably end up with Hoke.
This is true for both girlfriends and coaches.
Boise State just lost their OC. It would be a good time to go after their HC. Peterson is the best out there right now. Les is too old, Hoke is too fat.
Boise State can play some D, so bring the DC with him. He has run a successful program for awhile.
chris peterson does not have a cell phone....
1) no ties to the midwest
2) plays questionable competition
3) the last two BSU coaches who have gone on to bigger programs have been utter disasters.
nice coach, but i'd rather have Hoke.
GOD DAMN YOU HARBAUGH
Damn you Rodriguez haters!
Above all, of course, damn Dave Brandon!
Shit Fuck Poop
Received a contract extension. Brady Hoke has received a contract extension too. Wouldn't the news be if he signed the extension?
he did sign it, read the release
I could read it two ways. Either he has no intention of leaving, or TCU's perhaps a little concerned that he might try. I'm not usually an optimist so I'd lean towards the former but you could be right and it doesn't say he's signed it. Worth keeping track of though...
Well it is time to....CALL THE MOTHER FUCKER THEN, ISN'T IT DAVE??!!!!11!!!1!!
Get off your Dominoes yacht and DO WORK SON!
How long was Brandon CEO of Dominos whose main product was pizza which even by their own advertisements sucked? I think it was close to 10 years. How bad was Dominos pizza? My kids hated it.
So this so called "genius" CEO who ran a food company, again whose primary product people thought tasted horrible, took nearly 10 years to make a change to its recipe. I hope that he blows everybody away with an awesome pick but I think you are right, he is wallowing away on his yacht. Maybe not literally but figuratively.
Also literally, for all we know.
I think this corporate history is incorrect re: DB. Wasn't he brought in by the buyout firm to turn them around in the, you know, making money way, and did just that in only like 3 years? Also, the commercials were his idea, and I think he saw a problem with their product and swiftly rectified it. By all accounts, he did a good job. So. . . yeah.
The goal of Dominos is to make money, not make good pizza.
Well, the same can be said for Michigan, the goal of Michigan is to make money, not necessarily to win football games. Granted it's much easier to make money by winning football games, but the primary goal of teams/universities is to make money, much like Dominos.
Right now, Michigan's pizza sucks, they need to pull a Dominos and re-invent themselves and make better pizza. I have 100% faith that they will do this.
Valid points, the change's to the pies occured after DB left. His public perception is well very poor at this point,
Actually the change was started before Brandon left. Profits did go up after the change:
The question remains why did it take so long?
The change was precipitated by a decline in sales in 2009 of 6% - a time when cheaper meals (remember the Great Recession was causing people to go to lower cost foods):
Edit: Forgot to add: Good pizza = good profits. Bad pizza = lower sales thus lower profits.
Pizza is an inferior good, so it makes sense for them to do well when everyone was hurting.
on a semi related note, who is the new coach and possibly new A.D. in 2014?
I was wondering this too. Also, has Schad proven to be reliable on his scoops?
I take a Schad in the morning after a cup of coffee every single day. Very very reliable. I would never scoop it though.
no. He's rarely right.
Hopefully the contract extension was given because DB is expressing interest. As pointed out above, the extension may not have been taken yet. More importantly, even if we do lose Patterson, there are still other candidates on the board. Wasn't there an M plane near Dan Mullen earlier today?
Keep panicking on Harbaugh. But don't panic on the fact that it's down to just Hoke and Miles. Yet.
Didn't Dan Mullen sign a contract extension too? They talked ab it at Gator Bowl, for like 2.65 mil/year...?
But it was before our job was open (back when we thought it was JH/RR). Also, his DC just left for Texas. I think we've got a shot at him. But it's definitely a longshot.
Someone else already said this another thread, but allure of Mullen was that he would bring Diaz with him. On the upside, Mullen's offense would work well with the talent we currently have.
According to one of the sirius sports stations today, Mullen has not signed that contract yet. They've "agreed in principle" but the paperwork isn't done.
doesn't mean a thing. Buyouts are written in for a reason.
So in two days we just went from 10 guys to 2? Hoke and Miles? Is there anyone leftthat is reasonably still in the running?
Two days ago the search had just started.
Well this hasn't gone well.
per Schad: Chris Peterson isn't headed to Michigan but don't be shocked if he listens to Stanford
Well, Michigan is now a job that no outsiders want to touch because of the factions and what happened to RR. Spoiled alums, fans and administrators can thank themselves for putting Michigan into this precarious situation.... Now, Les Miles and Brady Hoke are the only two who are a viable option because they would come to Michigan.
First, Michigan couldn't even get an interview from a coach from NW. A Nebraska coach went out of his way to show disinterest in a rumor. The most prized alumnus working turns down the keys to the kingdom. And now an MWC coach might spurn Michigan for Stanford. Stanford!
When will the DB realize what a toxic environment the Michigan coaching job is immersed in?
Or we could look at reality and realize that Fitz wouldn't leave his alma mater for anyone, let alone another Big Ten team, Pelini went to Ohio State (and according to some Nebby fans views OSU as his dream job), and Harbaugh, like, really? The dude wants to make money and prove that he can coach in the NFL. He failed as a NFL QB, he probably thinks he can be a great NFL coach.
all reasons we should have kept RR
Let it go.
Harbaugh had a 13 year career and accounted for nearly 150 TDs._
Would you want him for your pro team? I'm a bears fan and the guy didn't live up to his first round pick.
How did he fail as an NFL QB? He played for what, 13 years?
If he pulls a Hawkins, the folks at Stanford will be a lot more understanding than we would. They just had their first 10-win season since 1992. They aren't exactly used to success, or even invested in their football program. That makes for a safer job and better mental health on the job.
You read my mind. I picked a piss poor time to quit drinking!
I took off work (in advance) yesterday and today, and have been on a whiskey bender since the press conference. I also had quit smoking, yet have plowed through a pack. God, this needs to end soon- the coaching search- or I may end up like Gary Busey. Or something like that.
Damn son, I love a dedicated drinker! Keep up the good work.
I bet season tickets will be pretty easy to come by this year.
because the race is already over.
See my avatar.
Damn bus around. That'll put an end to your PRECIOUS field trip pretty damn quick, huh?"
"That is cor-RECT!"
Patterson was always a long-shot, but until he signs the extension with TCU I won't read much into it being offered.
Don't call this doom until he signs. Many coaches have been offered extensions, but they are purely symbolic until signature. JH was offered an extension...
I have hope!!!
Saying/Knowing this, but is this Duck Phone you refer to the same one from the Shore House in the 1st and current/new season of Jersey Shore? (God, have mercy on my soul, but I can't stop watching that damn show!)
It is the duck phone from the Jersey Shore. I am full of shame to admit that I cannot stop watching either.
I can see for Miles and Miles (and Miles and Miles . . )
I would LOVE to us trade head coaches with LSU!!!
LSU fans would be laughing their asses off!!!
this would depress me....I am glad Harbaugh isn't coming because I thought we would then take a shot at Patterson, but if he signs this.....
Hoke = fail
Miles = crazy fail
Seriously, if we are going to end up with Hoke (whcih I am fine with, actually), can we freking sign him now and try to ssalvage recruiting? Otherwise, we could be in a situation where Les Miles tells us to take a walk (or worse, comes to M) and Hoke ends up at Stanford. Then who?
Note to Brandon: THIS IS NOT CORPORATE AMERICA - YOU NEED TO ADJUST YOUR APPROACH. THESE THINGS MUST BE DONE QUICKLY.
I don't understand your urgency to signing him so quickly. None of the recruits have decommited. Who are we trying to salvage. Three or four days isn't going to dramitcally change the class but could have a huge effect on who is the coach of this team.
Any word on the date the recruits that were coming Jan 7 weekend were rescheduled to? I saw they were being rescheduled, but would love to know the date for obvious reasons. I think we'll have a coach by the middle of next week.
As long as we do, recruiting shouldn't be very different than if we'd had a coach ready when RR got fired.
If a new coach signs tomorrow, which is not happening, he would need upwards of a week to solidify and sign his staff--the staff doesn't immediately start recruiting for us--they don't even know who our commits are. A week from today is the 14th. So signing day is roughly two weeks from the day the coaching staff is in place. So we would have two weeks to 1- solidify and keep our current recruits, and 2- sign another 7 guys (since we have approx 12 committed, but room for 20). Does two weeks--at a maximum- sound like enough time to do that to you?
Between the two, would rather have Hoke, who could as mentioned earlier hire Loeffler and Moeller as offensive coaches, defensive staff could include T. Austin and the fired EMU coach (dude, i am getting old). Miles looks crazy as a bat.
I will find it incredibly hard to root for Les Miles. I don't know if I can do it.
You root for the uniform, not the coach or any one player. I'll support whoever they bring in, though obviously would like some far more than others.
I should root for Delaware?
I can be ok with Miles.. I see him as a way to keep recruits interested and keep the program relevant for a few years. Replace him in 5-6 years when we are a perennial top-25 team, and replace him with a younger long-term coach.
How exactly do you imagine that we get rid of him after 5-6 years? You can only get rid of a coach if he retires or he sucks for several years and you fire him. You don't cut him after 5-6 years as a top-25 team.
but I can't root for someone who'd hang his players out to dry. Or an administration that would hire him, after all the shock, shock, I say, about the over-stretching debacle bringing shame on a pristine program. I'd simply stop watching and make better use of my time.
Unless he can prove that it was his evil twin. I believe in giving a guy a chance to tell his side of the story.
But that uniform is supposed to be symbolic of some other shit. Said shit does not include oversigning and lying to 18 year olds, as far as I know.
I agree. If it is down to Hoke and Miles I know which way I lean.
Then DB is a terrible athletic director with no imagination who deserves to be fired immediately. I can't believe there is no buffer between Miles and Hoke.
He practically broke out his checkbook during the press conference. The apparent lack of interest throughout the country coupled with DB's evident lack of acumen is very disheartening at this point.
got new jobs weeks ago?
also, Brandon is fooling himself if he thinks firing RR after only 3 seasons isn't going to negatively affect the decisions of any future coaching prospects.
We look like premature ejaculating idiots. You may be more familiar with the laymen's term: Notre Dame
Before Hoke and Miles, we still have:
Dan Mullen (I know, pie in the sky)
Dungy/Gruden (also pie in the sky)
We don't need to panic any more than before Patterson was offered this contract. He was always a longshot, we've got a couple of longshots still left, and a couple of guys who we still have a pretty dang good shot at.
Your not rooting for Miles and if your allegiance lies with who the coach is please don't root at all.
Isn't that the attitude that helped run RR out? Just support your coach, whoever that is.
What the fuck do you know? I'm sure that almost every tOSU fan would root for Bernie Madoff if he could beat Michigan, but there are still a few Michigan fans who think there's a fucking balance between loyalty to the school and doing things the right way. Get to your own fucking board and go tell yourself that Jim Tressel does everything above board. I'm sick of this shit.
yet fits this situation quite nicely...
Brandon and MSC are batshit crazy if they think Miles is a good fit for Michigan at this point in his career.
There is still room on the Jon Gruden bandwagon. May not be realistic, but it beats the hell out of running to M-Den to buy a Hokeamania t-shirt.
Keep hope alive!
Okay, but I'll need someone to pilot my lunatic Jeff Fisher bandwagon in the meantime.
But Ira Weintraub, a Baltimore guy and Ravens fan, said on WTKA that John Harbaugh might come if the Ravens lose their play-off game... I'm pretty sure he was joking, but it's that kind of hmmm, why not, kind of joke. Hmm... Why not?
Having gone to grad school at USC, I was on that bandwagon last year hard (him or Del Rio). That ended with Lane Kiffin.
Amen. Keep hope alive; let hoke die
How do we get there? Start crazy rumors, or maybe we can do like "Celtic Pride", and just go bring him up here?
i don't mind having an X and O type head coach with some cache. even a figurehead. this would be a boon for recruiting. he would just need to hire assistants with UM ties who can actually coach and teach.
hell, tell me how much paterno has coached the past decade. or even bowden in the fsu hey dey.
Someone please give me some good news, please, pretty please?
Nope, that's just more bad news...
Not to pile on but I can't make my own posts since the site blew up. Per Rivals ITF "cross your fingers on Frost. Things have changed a ton since the start of the week." That is in the negative not in the positive...
So there's that.
Remember though, this process had no effect on recruiting. -Morons
That Magnus is now their top choice...
That's it. I am applying for the job. You all better be all in for me, or else.
Well, if it's down to you and Miles, you can count on my vote!
Under my leadership all student athletes will have dorm rooms. Also, I know how to count.
You're sounding better and better!
We haven't heard JBE's stance on the human nutritional value of grass yet.
I am a gum man myself, and I rarely throw it. Hire me now, and I will construct a physical defense and a hybrid spread and power run offense. Additionally, I will sew up the recruitment of Frost.
You're more qualified as a DC since you obviously have no aversion to putting your hand up a stuffed animal and using them for motivation. Welcome, GERG 2.0!
/work on the hair
Is there any place for me withing your regime?
Sure. I will need that LSD when I'm breaking down gametape. "God didn't do it, you did it." Also, depending on your expertise you can be either OC or DC or cheer coach.
Save the blotter sheets for the long plane trips to the Rose Bowl. We'll break out the mescaline for game tapes.
And to hell with "Basketball on Grass"!
TRESSEL! YEAH I"M TALKIN TO YOU! YOUR ASS IS GRASS!
Les is eating Tressel's ass? CFB just got super kinky.
that the UM job has become less attractive than the Notre Dame job was last year after the disaster that the ND program had become?
We just fired a BCS winning coach whose record got better every season he was here after just three seasons. Why would Patterson want to emulate Rich Rodriguez's career arc right now?
Worst decision I could have imagined. That was still with Harbaugh on the table. If we legitimately fired RR in order to hire Hoke I may have to take a step back. At least until DB is sent packing.
I can't imagine Brandon is dumb enough to make that move without a legit shot at a home run hire. I also think he wasn't able to do anything concrete until Harbaugh had officially moved on (otherwise fans freak out that we didn't go harder after him).
A buddy of mine (CU fan) is convinced Brandon is retarded. I really hope he is wrong.
At this point I have to agree with your buddy. The environment for an "outsider" coach is toxic. They fired RICH RODRIGUEZ after three fucking seasons. It's really incredible to me. After the season Denard had... from a strictly professional perspective you would have to be insane to leave a successful job to come here. It's sad that I type "they" now with regards to Michigan (I graduate in May), but this decision makes me feel like I need to take a step back from this for a while. I still love M, but the decision to fire RR was cronyism all the way. If Hoke is hired... I mean think about that... what a fucking nightmare. The toxic environment we have created here for an outsider coach will severely limit our potential to grow.
I don't know why nobody is even considering Magee. I haven't heard his name come up once.
I feel like many years in the future people will be talking about how Michigan used to have an epic program the way people talk about Rice and Harvard having been good a long time ago. Seves us right.
And then pretty soon applications will go down, and we'll talk about how we used to be better a better academic institution than MSU, but then nuclear engineering and sheep research became the hot job sectors and we were left in the dust. We're all going to die anyway, and for many of us we'll be impotent long before then. Plus my ex-girlfriend was the best I'll ever do.
WHY BRANDON WHY!
... and my dick is small. Probably gonna get smaller, too. FML.
I'll take a wild guess that our AD is not "retarded" so you can all exhale. Can we all relax? This notion of shock over RR's firing "after three fucking seasons" kind of ignores a lot of shit that even those of us like myself who were ok with giving him a 4th year must acknowledge. It's not like some magical pimp hand from the sky suddenly cold-cocked a coach who was kicking all forms of ass on the field. I wont go into all of the infamous records that RR broke in his 3 years with M--we all know them by heart. I would've been happy if he could find one frick'n guy to kick a 30 frick'n yard field goal.
I understand that a lot of folks who are current M students or who are graduating in May are acquainted with RR in a way that others of us are not. He's the only coach the current students have known. For others like myself, it's different. Bo & Mo coached while I was on campus and I've seen Lloyd and RR since. Lots of different action there--lots of success too. It's a perspective that lends itself to less surprise and disappointment over the RR outcome.
The decision to fire RR was not cronyism...actually, I couldn't give a crap if it was. May the best coach guide the team,
Rest assured that the M job is not toxic. M is not the Detroit Lions organization whose coach, Darryl Rogers once asked, "What does a coach have to do around here to get fired?" That, my friend, is a toxic job. Not the M job where the standards are sky high...not by a long shot.
Have a little faith that a man with the extraordinary life accomplishments, education and intelligence of our AD is not "retarded" (may that term burn in hell). And have faith that the moment M starts winning again we'll all forget about our past adolescent-chick, freak-outs about whether the M job somehow lost its luster. We'll be fine.
As they say in St. Lucia, "No Problems."
I totally opened myself up for that one.
It is toxic when you give a BCS winning coach three seasons to change the offensive system and after a 7 win season you fire him. That is a toxic environment to walk into as a coach.
I'm really glad you got to see winning football in your lifetime. News flash, so did I. I am older than 14 years old.
This situation DB has put us in makes us a fucking laughing stock nationally whether you like it or not. You know what I saw on ESPN today? A lot of "Harbaugh did what was best for Harbaugh." Tony Dungy literally laughed at the prospect of himself coaching at Michigan. A mediocre coach at NW told us no thanks. A fairly new and unproven coach at Nebraska said no, there is no way we are pulling the Oregon coach (which I would love). This environment created by DB after giving a coach only three seasons to win more than 7 games is toxic whether you think so or not.
DB has done a lot of robotic corporate speaches, but rest asured he has never been an athletic director before and he has been a complete failure so far in his first major decision making process. This, that is happening right now, is a failure. Our coach was given an impossible task, not given nearly enough time to accomplish it and our golden boy, alumni replacement just told us to go fuck ourselves. Not to mention the timetable will leave this recruiting class a steaming crater in the side of the future of this program. We have all seen how horrible one missed recruiting class can be *cough* 2007! *cough*
Pelini was never contacted about the Michigan job according to rivals. It would seem he said no because he wanted to be special like everybody else.
Your point on the merit of RR's firing is well taken--I get it. We could spar all night about his judgment with the defense and special teams or we can focus on the offense only.,,which had its own struggles against better teams down the stretch. Maybe more time would've ironed this all out--maybe more time would've have RR eventually asking the same question that Darryl Rogers did. Either way, it's moot. He's gone. I thought that DB was pretty clear about the red letter game priority that he placed on the job duty. You can disagree with his emphasis on this priority but if you're an incoming coach, you know what's expected of you from this AD to keep your job. If that nugget of up-front clarity counts for anything, it counts to make the job a worthwhile challenge--not toxic.
Did Fitz, a Chicago boy, former player for NU, married to NU gal, self-professed NU lover taking himself out of consideration surprise anyone? Is it a surprise that JH has NFL dreams? Dungy's remarks could be interpreted in a couple of ways.
I'm just not ready to flatline the M job just because every guy whose face the media chooses to thrust a mic at doesn't gush about us--at least publicly.
Let's just relax--your remark about stepping away from the computer is a good idea--we should all do it for a little during this whacked time. Enjoy your upcoming graduation and rest assured that the successes that the guy on your avatar enjoyed will make their way back sooner rather than later.
(and I'm relieved that you're not 14 years old or else I'd have felt wholly inadequate for graduating at the ripe old age of 21)
The person who has made Michigan into a laughing stock is RichRod - he brought this on himself.
You want to point the finger somewhere he deserves as much blame as anyone
Harbaugh won only two more games over his first three years than RR did here. 3 years is not enough time and the university turned its back on the coach so quickly that no coach in their right mind "Michigan Man" or not would come here to that sort of treatment.
A quote from Patterson about TCU:
"TCU let me grow as a coach"
"They gave me an opportunity to be a head coach and to do what we've been able to do. We've come a long way in 13 years and it's been fun to be a part of it. I feel like I'm just a member of the staff."
Those are things Michigan gave RR neither the time nor the acceptance to do.
We are down to the bottom of the barrel this morning as far as coaches who want to come here and you know what? We deserve it.
If you were a successful coach at another program without any ties to Michigan, would you:
A) Continue on at your current position in which you are worshipped and will likely be able to coach as long as you want to.
B) Switch to Michigan, where the last outsider was never completely supported by the fan base, and only got three years to prove himself, despite there being an argument (no matter how weak you think it is) that a 4th year was warranted.
The only advantage for Patterson would be that the situation left behind by RR is better than what RR had after Carr, at least in terms of some established talent and an offensive system in place.
True, but the fan base is still the same. He won't fit the "culture" any more than RR did.
We are talking about a coach who has just gone 46-4 including an undefeated season (with a good defense).
Any "culture" that can't appreciate that needs to be changed.
and the defense got progressively worse. I get it Rich Rod is a great guy and a very good offensive coach but some people need to face the damn facts. He does not know or seem to give two nuts about defense. As a head coach that is absolutely unacceptable! I know most fans are aware of this but maybe some people forgot our defensive rankings the past 3 years:
Total FBS Big Ten
2008: 66th 9th
2009: 82nd 9th
2010: 110th 11th
That is a total joke! A 3 - 3 - 5 in the Big Ten??? Come on now . Hoke, Miles, anyone who knows a lick about defense will be a step in the right direction for this program.
pretty sure Buddy Ryan or Dom Capers couldn't make Avery, Vinopal, Kovacs, Ezeh, Banks and Rogers into world beaters overnight anymore than Rich's staff could. You do realize we lost 11 potential starters in the secondary in a calendar year to AMSHG right?
Did you know Hoke (along with defensive coordinator Rocky Long) runs the 3-3-5 at San Diego State?
Not saying Rodriguez's defenses didn't suck, but it's worth noting.
This is an AIDS-worthy comment.
Because I'm HIV positive.
See, this isn't even a joke. I don't know what this is.
I hope that somehow I am misunderstanding that comment. Otherwise, really weak.
It's from south park, I'd embed but I'm on the telephone.
Harbaugh's defense at Stanford year 3 was 90th in the nation. Why is it that we hold RichRod completely responsible for having a horrible defense in year 3 with no excuses acceptable but Jimmy gets a pass because the team went 1-11 3 years earlier and he has a tougher time recruiting and blah blah blah. If RichRod can be held responsible, lets hold every coach to the same standard.
While Miles is eating grass and pushing himself closer to a cardiac episode, the coach we should be pursuing is leading his team towards his second FCS championship in his third championship appearance. Nobody seems very happy about the idea of Les Miles, so I submit that, FCS aside, Keeler has the qualities we're pursuing, and would be more acceptable to the masses. And to anyone who dislikes his FCS pedigree: Tressel. Booya.
All this web traffic over the last 3 years has to be good for Brian right?? I know I've been clicking on this site way too frequently throughout the day recently.
It's a two year extension... it's just about raising his buyout. Totally a panic move. He was already under contract until 2016.
Panic mode is easier though considering the circumstances and that at least 3 coaches listed among potential targets have brushed us off without a second thought.
it was buyout-free.
there you go. all about getting that buyout in a last ditch effort to keep him. nothing about Patterson suddenly deciding to bleed purple forever.
TCU issued a press release confirming the extended contract
DB: Hello rita, is Rich home
Rita: Sure he is Dave, hold on a sec while i get him for shug.
RR: Hey Dave hows it goin', just got back from zingermans
DB: Hey Rich i was wondering What you were doing for next couple years, i might have been a little hasty.
Funny, I was just imaging that conversation during my hour-long commute earlier today. (not that I expect it to actually happen)
You dudes know he signs one of these every year, right?
He would be crazy to sign a contract extention that increases his buyout if he thought there was even a chance he would have to exercise that buyout later this month.
what does he care? the school usually pays the buyout.
What kind of school offers their coach who has a contract for 6 more years an extension for 2 more? This is a panic move by TCU, plain and simple. I'm not saying we're getting Patterson, I'm just saying this isn't the end of days scenario.
Guys don't sign extensions and then immediately bolt for another job. It just isn't how it works. If he signs now he aint leaving this year for any other position.
PurpleStuff, I've already addressed the fact that you're an asswipe in the past but just for kicks...
"These are for show, conveniently timed so that no one can FOIA the contracts and find out the buyout provisions that really establish how much of a commitment is being made both ways. Stanford's a private institution and isn't vulnerable to the FOIA either but still, if Harbaugh sticks around it's not going to be because of anything the Stanford AD can offer but chooses not to."
Well, there you go. Brian Cook has no idea how "it" works!
coaching salary, but see my post above: Dan Patrick reported that there was no buyout.
I have no idea what you are talking about. But thanks for the insult. Feel free to point out a coach who signed an extension and then bolted a few days later. Or you could just call names.
keep feigning ignorance... Brian's post was written when it was assumed Harbaugh would sign it. Why don't you go look it up?
I don't need to provide examples, that's irrelevant.
He will tell you Patterson is staying at TCU now.
cool story bro
let's now focus on Brady Hoke and Dan Mullen... not like they just signed extensions this year!
He won't until Michigan, Stanford, and every other head coaching position in the country are filled.
Dan Mullen is a candidate only in Brian's mind.
You just finished telling us:
"You dudes know he signs one of these every year, right?"
Exactly. Plus it means he's not in the middl eof negotiations with DB.
And we know this is how?
because contracts actually take, you know, time for the parties, their agents/lawyers etc. Unless you think he's shuttling himself back and forth between two different conference rooms negotiating two contracts at the same time (which would probably be considered in bad faith in the eyes of the law)
Isn't it possible TCU just gave Patterson and his lawyer the contract, which basically only ups his deal by two years and includes a buy out, while Patterson was off recruiting and/or possibly talking to Brandon. Doesn't mean he is or isn't, but it's silly to say there is no way Patterson is talking to Brandon because he just signed a deal with TCU.
No information is certain, but the different articles I've read indicate he was very involved in the contract talks, and that he is not going anywhere. He was at home watching the Cotton Bowl.
Here are two of them.
With Michigan and Stanford among notable coaching vacancies, Patterson is staying put in Fort Worth.
It is still hard to believe that DB didn't have someone lined up before letting RR go and make us look ridiculous AGAIN.
When DB decided to let RR go or was thinking about letting RR go, didn't he do what most smart teams do? Like a "draft board" of which candidates that may be available and the strengths and liabilities of each prospective candidate? Then systematically contact them once he knew that RR had to go??? Or is that way too logical and organized?
I read the SI article on how TCU beat Wisconsin. Patterson's stock went up in my eyes when I read that. Smart coach, reacted to well to the situation. Number 1 ranked defense in the country. And we never contacted him? I cannot understand during this slow-motion fiasco the last few weeks is why we were so hell-bent locked onto JH? It's like freaking tunnel vision.
So instead of going after an excellent coach who never said "I'm a TCU Man for life", we went after the Michigan Man who spurned us for the Niners??????
Now we're just like the guy at the dance who thought he could score easily because of his reputation but instead after all the attractive women go with other guys, now has beer goggle.
We can't have Patterson or Gruden. They're not Michigan Men! They don't understand the traditions of the #1 jersey and the importance of the Ohio State game. We need someone whose blood runs Blue… Hey, I wonder what Bo's son Glenn Jr. is up to these days?
I'm really not that against Les coming to Michigan. I prefer him over Hoke by a long shot.
lol at everyone's panic. It's pathetic.
People freaked with Bo (Bo WHO?), thought Mo was good but got in a barfight, and thought Lloyd was going to be too soft. I'd be afraid if everyone thought whoever the next coach is would be perfect. Everyone forgets how hot a commodity RichRod was when we landed him (spurned Alabama before we got him).
How much everyone hated him. Because of his accent.
How much everyone hated him. Because of his accent.
Who, Rich? I swear that I never heard a single person in the state of Michigan say a word about his accent. On MLive or ESPN? Sure, but if you look at those spaces as the general opinion of the program, it's kind of a huge stretch.
My senior year, when he was hired, people did make fun of his accent and complain that he seemed like a "slimy hillbilly." Pretentious, arrogant, and silly, yes. An isolated minority? Maybe. But they definitely did exist.
Interesting. It was my senior year as well, but I never heard those comments until I left campus. Not doubting you since I'm sure some did, just didn't think it gained momentum until year two.
I know a guy who constantly called him a "hillbilly" and would ask "How could anyone take a like that serious with his hillbilly accent?" A friend of mine told me he sounded like a "hick". Maybe it wasn't widespread but it definately existed.
Signed through 2018 according to a release from the university. Brandon waited too long to contact him if Patterson was even on his list.
Been too long since I've seen this. Can you aim one toward LA to keep anyone from leaving?
Edit: what happened to the splosion?
say hello to Miles/Hoke.
That's it--we'll just get both of them and show everyone. People thought we couldn't find a coach and we'll hire two just to prove them wrong.
Miles at HC and Hoke at DC/coach in waiting seems as close to ideal as you can get when discussing the two of them.
Everyone who screamed Fire RR bc Harbaugh would TOTALLY come now, rather than admit their own haste, just blame DB. unreal
The fact that anyone is blaming anyone for anything when nothing has yet to happen is unreal to me.
Why? What is apparent from all of this is that DB did not have solid plan in place. While he might pull something out (looking less and less likely though) the point is that we should never have been in a position where we had to rely on a hail mary in the first place.
that may be apparent but it doesn't mean it's true. If we don't have a coach by next week then I'll be worried. I'll only demean myself with the panic that the majority of this board has resigned itself to when we're losing to Western Michigan come September.
I don't think any blame is going on, folks just want to see some progress. Other organizations are dealing and wheeling while we remain silent.
You really think nothing is happening beause you can't see it? That's right, you're the swamy, I forgot.
That is the problem.
I think everyone expected Rod to not be fired if Harbaugh wasn't essentially already signed. Hearing DB resigned to the fact that he was headed to the NFL was...unreal
If we didn't get slaughtered by Miss. St...I imagine RR would still be here.
I think you're right about that. But we did.
I think that it is reasonable to believe that DB didn't make any moves before the bowl because he wanted RR around as a back up plan.
This was absolutely a horrible idea. Even if the media speculation and fan chatter hadn't grown to deafening levels, how the hell could he come out and say, "ok, I guess you can stay around for at least one more year." DB hung RR out to dry.
He was a dead man walking. He knew it. The team probably sensed it. Is it really that much of a surprise that the team laid an egg in the bowl game?
If that were true...
How does that explain the Stanford game also a man leaving, How does that explaing the Florida crew knowing Meyer is leaving, how does it explain the Michigan team in Carr's last game?
He gave up on them I guess
We can debate what one more year would have brought for sure but I think it would have been just one more year wasted
I am of the thought that RR needed to go regardless. Amongst other factors, the relationship was too toxic. No matter who the hire is, I believe a new start is the right move.
Pretty good point, Geaux. Interesting how they avoid facing the old "careful what you wish for" coming home to roost in their laps.
The screaming for RR's head after the bowl game when most people thought JH was the most likely get for UM was just a touch louder than the screaming now about DB and his "lack of a plan" or whatever kind of nonsense these fans come up with.
and it really started in earnest after Penn State. There were some here who expected an announcement from DB the following Monday, it just grew with Wisconsin and Ohio State.
"Oh, we're afraid to go with RichRod. We might get in trouble. Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me. I'm not gonna take this! Rosenberg, he's a dead man! Freep, dead! Who's with me?"
They took the whole fucking bar!!
I'll try to remember to +1 you when the option comes back.
That looks like Brady Hoke!
That will make me feel .00000001% better when Brady Fucking Hoke is introduced as Michigan's new head football coach.
It might make all the difference.
With the 2012, Mayan Prophecy of Doom approaching. This time next year, we aren't going to care who our coach is... what with having to deal with that pole shift, killer solar flare, ebola pandemic, and of course the zombies.
At this point I'll take someone crazy like Mike Leach. It's like digging up a dead Ronald Reagan and making him president. Nobody fucks with you if they know you're nuts.
Leach's Red Raiders were just hit with sanctions for recruiting violations. I'm not sure anybody will take a shot on him.
That is pretty awesome. Little concerned that nobody in Tiger Country is heartbroken over him leaving, but ah well. Better than Hoke.
Only a little concerned, huh?
That was one of the funniest things i've ever seen... on the webz anyway
to welcome Les Miles back.
I can't decide if I'd rather have Hoke or Miles. It's gonna take me a while to figure out that one.
Hoke is the guy I'd rather have right now. Miles has too many negatives surrounding him for me to be comfortable with.
Hoke may not have an incredibly great overall record, but to take two mid-major program bottom feeders to at or near the top of their conferences, one of them in just two years, is not something people should dismiss lightly.
I agree. I think I'd rather have him as well. Unfortunately, most of the members of this blog take Brian's word as gospel. I'll trust DB for now.
Gene Chizik, the guy whose team is playing for the MNC, had exactly 2 years of head coaching experience before being named Auburn HC.
His record in those two years...3-9 & 2-10. Their record got worse the second year!
Nor do many on here who can look objectively at Brady Hoke's resume and clearly see that he is a downgrade from the person we just let go. Clearly.
Not to mention he will take us back to square one in terms of scheme and lose several key players on the roster due to that transition.
I think a lot og people objected to the hiring of RR and they were open and vocal about it for, well, 3+ years. I see no reason why anyone that objects to hiring Brady hoke shouldn't be afforded that same opportunity. i have heard for 3 years from RR detractors that our opinions and voicing them doesn't have any impact on the success of the coach, so i won't worry about it.
There is no way you put Brady Hoke on one sideline and Jim Tressel on the other and come out with a win in more than one in 5 times.
.....you state about Hoke how? I am still an RR supporter and Hoke, at this point, is a downgrade. But in my opinion, so was Harbaugh and many other possible candidates mentioned. RR didn't come to UM and just forget how to coach. Hoke knows how to coach. Doesn't turning around two mid-major doormats count for anything?
And who says he takes our offense completely away from what they were used to? You? Brian? The fact is that no one knows, although some argue that Hoke has tailored his offenses to the players on hand, so there is that. How do you know a Hoke hire will lose key players? Players who had played for him before really love him. You don't get admiration from people without being able to attract that admiration from them.
All the nonsense about Hoke filling every Michigan board is based on nothing more than hearsay type rumours by people who wanted JH or Miles, even as they wanted RR gone. As for your Hoke vs. Tressel comment, maybe someone should ask Patterson what he thought about having to play Hoke's team this season.
Good luck with Brady hoke in his first year ever trying to run a spread offense, or some hybrid of a spread offense, but hey, learn on the job is good right?
He has had two good yars at middling programs in his tenure as a HC, only one of htose schools even being a Div I program. Going from terrible to middling is not a turnaround and certainly not sustained success at a level that gives me any confidence that Hoke would be able to turn the M program into an elite football team. that is a HUGE stretch.
The point being, RR did turn a Div I program from an also ran into a program that was a giant-killer and one game, one QB injury away from playing for a NC.....and there were plenty of people when he was hired saying that he wasn't good enough and hadn't proven himself. Now many of those same people are acting as if hoke is somehow a an improvement o that....he is most certainly not.
Before everyone pile on Brandon, let's see how it turns out with the hire and maybe even give that hire some time to clean up the Rodriguez rubble and show us the product.
Don't kid yourselves: From a Harbaugh supporter who started talking about him way back after Penn State, there are no regrets about Rich being shown the door.
Watching the major bowl games convinced me that we don't have the athletes on either side of the ball to win like we must at Michigan. That is on Rich Rodriguez.
Agree. The panic on here is off the charts. I think Brian could do damage control by saying everything's gonna be ok. That may not be true, but it'd probably work.
The collective meltdown has everything to do with how DB is handling the situation and not brian's personal opinion. It's DB's job to calm the fanbase; not Brian's.
to hire a new coach who will get Michigan football back to where it belongs. I'm pretty sure the fanbase is secondary on his mind right now. He is too smart of a guy to not have a well thought out strategy. What it is I don't know and neither do any of us but it's fun to talk about.
Agree with this. DB still hasn't proved to me that he's a failure. Not yet.
It isn't Brian's job to calm the fanbase, but I think he could if he wanted to. I'd rather him be honest, but all of the hyperbolic stuff against Hoke/Miles doesn't seem necessary. Not when there are thousands of people reading your posts. That's how I view it, though. Brian should run his website the way he wants to run it.
Yeah, the fact that he couldn't beat teams starting 3rd, 4th, and 5th year players with his team full of freshman and sophomores clearly means we don't have athletes and had no future under Rodriguez. Let's fire the guy who got us these frosh and sophs who were crazy about our coach and watch them leave the program so we can start all over.
I call bullshit. If you look at the guys in the '10 class and the if retained RR '11 class, we'd start to be putting the right guys on the field, '09 was his first class, don't even talk about '08. Defensively Furman, Marvin, and Ash haven't really if at all seen the field yet, then you have Frost and probably Lyons coming along maybe even Dawson if the snake oil was in full effect, then the offense would have only improved, new kicker, returning punter means special teams improvement. Take all that along with a relative weakened Big Ten conference as a whole with senior/junior departures. Even if RR didn't get the public support he would have needed to be great here, things would have improved. This morning on WTKA Bacon quoted Calvin Magee saying essentially, "we have the ingredients, now we're mixing the batter, let us put it in the oven" I know RR's gone, etc. but don't act like things wouldn't have improved once the roster was all Rich's...c'mon nearly 20 starters would have returned.
Unless DB pulls a non Hoke coach out of his ass it will be tough not to consider what would have been possible had RR received another year, not to mention some support.
Also, had RR been given support and THEN things didn't work out and he was subsequently fired, we'd probably be in better shape coaching candidate wise because it wouldn't seem so volatile here.
Somebody explain this to me: Mullen gets contract extension but he's still a viable candidate... Patterson gets a meaningless contract extension for 2 more years on top of the 6 he's already under contract for and yet he's totally out
I think the timing is just freaking everybody out. I think Patterson is still on the board.
I think it's the timing, and what it says about intent. Mullen signed his before the Michigan job opened up. If we're willing to pay for him to get out of that contract, great. Mullen's signing does not evidence an aversion to coming to Ann Arbor.
Patterson on the other hand signed an extention knowing he was a potential candidate for the open Michigan job. Doing so presumably makes it more expensive for him to leave TCU. Had he any sincere desire to head to Ann Arbor, it would have been in his best interest to pull a Harbaugh and delay signing the extention for a few weeks.
Like I said before... what does he care about the buyout? I doubt we've offered him the job yet (or anyone), so he was offered some more security by a panicked TCU and decided to take it. It's not like he was faking an interest for leverage, he had 6 years remaining on his deal.
Brandon is willing to pay whatever it takes, he said as much. If Patterson is the guy, we can still get him regardless of the buyout.
I think it's pretty clear: If he were in the middle of negotiations with Michigan, he wouldn't have had the time to sign this. If he wasn't in the middle of negotiations with Michigan, he either had been offered, and wasnt interested, or hadnt been offered (which means he probably isn't a candidate, given that DB has had like 36 hours to get in touch)
do you think Dave Brandon is just calling people like "hey wanna coach MICH?" and then if they say sure he starts negotiating? Jesus dude. There's vetting and interviewing and shit going on. We were never going to make a hire in 36 effing hours, you retards.
Agree. I think DB was banking on Harbaugh until today. Once that went down, he's started a wider search. I'd expect some more steady rumors about Miles/Hoke/Patterson in the next couple of days as he begins to seriously reach out to them.
He'll salvage the recruiting class and most likely add him some 4 stars, whereas Hoke would trigger a mass exodus.
Long term, Hoke might be the guy. Why can't we have both? Bring Brady in to run a unit and put him on the 5 year CIW plan.
I also can't figure out what color Les Miles' hair is? I wanna say red but I just can't. It's something else...
its either burnt siena, or oompa loompa red #6.
NO PLAY FOR MR. GRAY
Either guy is better than RR. Even his own players were starting to turn on him. The stubborn mule had to go.
Yea, the same players who had been hearing he was going to be fired for 10+ weeks straight.
Having players' parents talk to Brandon and call for the head coach to be fired is not a normal state of affairs.
Hopefully the extension is just a matter of sorting out a proper buyout for his move to our camp.
Mullen just lost his DC to Texas, and MS. St. won't be able to pay a lot to a new DC given Mullen's new contract. Why doesn't Michigan go after him. Not only would his hire pretty much ensure that Denard doesn't transfer, he won't cost a fortune (compared to what Miles might demand and what Harbaugh got). He has proven his worth in a tough league despite being at a program with huge comparative disadvantages. Hiring him might allow more money for a high profile DC like Randy Shannon, who would instantly improve recruiting, which is the single greatest reason why our defense is so poor now IMO. Even better, Mullen was one of Urban Meyer's guys at Florida, so he may be able to bring a couple of those assistants along with him.
The way this process has gone, as soon as we think it, Dave Brandon manages to fumble it away.
I've seen Schad's twitter, which says TCU confirmed the extension in a release. Does anyone have a link to the release itself?
Would think him signing something is a terrible sign, as it would doubtless include a raised buyout. But agree with Brodie that the mere existence of an extension is at worst neutral and at best positive (i.e. indicates TCU worried GP thinking of leaving).
Thanks. Seems like the release insinuates he took it. Damn. Still agree with Brodie that buyout money won't be what keeps Patterson away. Worry what it says about his intentions though (or Dave Brandon's, to the extent he has still not contacted Patterson).
We're going to get a sucessfull, but insane and disgustingly sleezy guy or an utter incompetent who can't win in the MAC. That's the reality. We've talked a lot about how RR couldn't succeed partially because no-one supported him from the begining. Are we willing to support whole-heartedly whatever garbage comes out of this mess?
But we'll still endlessly debate whether a coach deserves to be hired in the first place.
And I disagree with your reality. While it may come to that, we've still got some pull. At least we know from the Fitzgerald rejection that Brandon isn't thinking about just Miles and Hoke. I don't like how he's gone about this process, but since Hoke isn't the coach yet, I think it's fair to say that we've still got options before we fall back on him.
KC Keeler please. My vote.
would be our answer to Jim Tressel. I'll stack him ahead of Hoke.
My worry about KC Keeler -- other than he's suggested he wouldn't come is that when his teams aren't in the top few in the country they are kinda bad:
Yeah, so were Tressel's:
Compare the two wiki pages of Tressel and Keeler.
Also, Keeler beat up on UMASS as well. He's legit.
Yeah, and Mike Hart was a 3 star and Pat White a 2 star. The fact that Tressel worked for OSU says absolutely nothing about Keeler's probability of success at U of M. Nothing.
Keeler has built a 1AA powerhouse at Delaware that also runs a fast paced spread offense. His I believe is more passing oriented, but will fit well with the parts we have.
I don't think it'll happen, but I'd honeslty prefer Keeler to Hoke.
Hoke's comments on the spread concern me. Rodriguez not adapting his offensive system was a problem and his coments suggest the same mistake. Whoever the coach is needs to work with our players who will finally have experience.
All he talked about was getting back to winning the B1G and getting bigger players from the Midwest and smash-mouth football. That sounds like getting someone who will drop the spread and going to Olde Tyme Football.
Don't get me wrong, I liked smash-mouth football that won the B1G. I hated losing bowl games to teams running newfangled offenses with speedy defenses.
I think he wants Hoke and to tear up the team and start over to install Olde Tyme Football.
If he truly wanted Hoke then we would have heard something. I think we'll hear more about Miles starting tomorrow.
Wikipedia lists Les Miles as 0-0 at his current job... ohhhhh... Wikipedia from the future.......
Well, what do you guys expect? Every coach in the country not named Brady Hoke has said they have no interest in Michigan. At this rate it'll come down to Hoke or a few High School coaching prospects.