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Thanks LSA!  This is, in part, what I was hoping for, responses with some sense of what voters might be up to.  As for me, I am not unhappy with our current position giving our performance to date, but many friends in the SEC, who have discussed poll positions with me, had espoused the need to "drop MICH" because of that loss to an unranked team.  Given that a number of SEC teams had done likewise this past week, I thought I'd run it by more "like-minded" people, MICH fans...like myself.  Not sure what all the negativity is for in the down votes, but, to each...

Agreed

I've been wondering about that myself...you think its Anti-B10 bias?  Or lack of faith in their offense?

Fixed

Thanks...first post.

Last Names Are Different

FWIW, I believe it is Chris Peterson - Boise State, & Gary Patterson - TCU

A Club!??! Really?

"The Swamp" is a hangout/restarant across the street from campus on University Ave.  Having eaten there a few times myself, I can tell you it is by no means a club.  If it is a club, then so is TGIF, or Applebees, or Outback Steakhouse, or, well, you get the idea.

Thank you for you most considerate response

First, I cannot disagree with your personal experience, nor do I want to, and yes, the weather plays a role, however, the attractiveness of the B1G institutions is STILL a major draw for talent which is also looking for a top notch education.  With Michigan, and many of the conference schools, facilities are not a problem and are on par with what is available across the top tier programs around the country.  What appears to have happened is that the recruiting of top talent has not been consistent through the years.  There was a time when Michigan fielded great sprinters, distance runners AND field event athletes...every year, and not just conference class, but national class.  In the SEC, sorry, don't throw stones, they are that good, to get money, you have to be able to come in as a freshperson and score at the Conference meet.  To get serious support, you have to be able to come in and scorte at the National meet.  As one coach put it, "potential gets me fired." 

Also, I'd like to point out that southern talent 'does' come north.  A few years ago, a set of twins, highly sort after distance runners came up from Del Ray Beach Atlantic high school to run at Indiana.  The Florida 4A H.S. state triple jump champion, and number 3 ranked TJ in the nation, when to Wisconsin out of Gainesville Eastside; the 4A State Long Jump Champ went to Iowa out of Gainesville Buchholz H.S.  I mention these as an examples known to me as I coached against the twins during their H.S. career, and coached the other two during my tenure at the respective schools.  The selling point in the past, as it is now, is what does being in your program under you tultelage get or do for me? Does your track record (pun only partially intended) indicate that I will improve, become national, even world class before I graduate?  WIll I have a shot of winning conference and National championships as an individual and as a team before I complete my eligibility.

Lastly, there is great talent, WITH speed for sprints, STRENGTH, as you pointed out, for field events, and stamina for distance running right in our back yard.  Recruit to keep it at home, and then get the top talent you can get from elsewhere.  If the opportunity is appealing enough, they will come.

As a lover of T&F

It pains me to see the depth that UM has gotten to.  Spent many a year in SEC country, know many of the coaches personally, watched them recruit and train their athletes, even sent some of my atheles to them and their programs (before you ask, none of my D1 prospects wanted to go "that far north," trust me, Michigan was always HIGHLY spoken of around them!).  So somewhere I lost contact with the happenings in AA as it pertains to T&F, but, WOW!! Not in my lifetime have I seen these types of team results.

Great people, I'm sure, talented people, I'm sure, both athletes & coaches, but production WITH character has always been a hallmark of all Michigan Sports!

Just saying...

Been Thinking this myself

And, along with the poster below, seems that things need to change in a hurry for these coaches to feel as if they have job security.

Whoops!!

that response was intended for WolverLaker.

Not so fast my friend!

As a former football & track guy athlete and coach, I've heard it all before.  I wonder what Mike Holloway & Urban Meyer (the coach @ UF when these athletes were recruited) have to say about Percy Harvin & currently, Jeff Demps?!!?  Relax dude, track, as you know, is a LARGELY non contact sport...that's what makes the difference.  And, oh by the way, Herschel Walker STILL runs a 4.4 40!!

Yay!

That is all.

A Bit of A Correction

Minor though it maybe, it is, nonetheless, simply the University Athletic Association (UAA) and has been for several decades.  

Additionally, as a former graduate student and Gainesville resident with ties and friendships still in the community, including UAA, I can tell you my visit this past summer was quite distrubing.  The problems facing the institution, infrasturcture, administration, and most of all faculty and staff is mind boggling.  Given the range of issues, too numerous to address here, it caused me raise the question, "Why are you returning to work this Fall?"

As for money, the UAA is not hurting for money, having just completed a $15 Million dollar Women's Lacrosse and Soccer facility.  Having seen it in person, sweet though it is, in light of the academic short fall, I once again scratch my head.

I am VERY glad and PROUD to be BLUE!!

Why Not?

After all, in his 1st season, he produced a Remington Award winner!!

STUNNED!!

As with others, can't say I saw this coming.  Smotrycz's comment about out of respect to the coaches he will not say more at this time sounds REAL ominous!!  Hopefully it's nothing bad or personal...we will see.  I wish all of them the best.

As for his departure due to the fan base, perhaps people need a refresher.  I suggest going back to the ESPN "30 on 30 - Fab Five" documentary to see what the Michigan fan base can do to the players and coaches!  Those were REAL ugly comments and threats from Michigan supporters.  Let's hope it wasn't anything approaching that.

Yessss!!

I most definitely will!!

On another note, I did my graduate work at UF, the inside word on Zook v Meyer...Zook could recruit 'em, but didn't know what to do with them, Meyer needed help to recruit 'em, insert Mattison here, but once he got 'em, he knew what to do with 'em.  UF began to fizzle once the main recruiters had left town...hence the cupboard being bare.  Honestly, and now just my opinion, the talent level at FSU had NOT yet caught up with UF, and yet they, UF, still lost before Meyer left/retired.  Don't get me started on the bizarre arangement after Meyer's retirement...WOW!!  Beyond surreal!!

It's Okay!

A double smackdown is permissible so long as the Russian judge scores it well, judges....

Whoa!!

Kinda rough RDT!!  But true!  I had one of my best friends from my childhood go to Ohio, great student, but decided to attend for the ease of the degree.  His parents were also friends with my parents, he did graduate, in engineering, FWIW, but more importantly I only know this through my parents....I have spoken to him since he decide to go to school "down south."

I Tip My Cap!

Outstanding job!  Congratulations to the Coach, the staff, and the TEAM, the TEAM, the TEAM!!

Simply...

TREMENDOUS!!

Here! Here!!

I think it is a great idea and I support it wholeheartedly!! No suggestions on the design, I trust the hilarious, creative and dedicated minds we've all become accustomed to interacting with here on this phenomenal thing called MGOBLOG....Cheers!

All the Best to You & Yours!!

I have had the privilege of spending time in oncology working to facilitate the recovery of some of the strongest and finest people around, and I have know doubt that you would be numbered in that group.  I am thankful for your successful struggle and hope, wish and pray for your continued good health and recuperation. Godspeed!

I Might Just Add This...

Everything that happened in the game to both teams, happened within the parameters of the game.  Michigan did not cheat.  Virginia Tech did not cheat.  Neither team was victimized.  It was a hard hitting, hard fought, hard won, and hard lost game for each of the teams.  This whole notion of "deserving"  and being "dominated" by another squad is just, well, nebulous.

Did Sparty deserve to win?  Did Wisky deserve to lose? Should Ohio have won since Florida only scored primarily thru special teams? This is how the game is played, these occurences are all apart of what can transpire in the course of a game.  All that remains is a given teams' response to the stimulus at hand...our team responded in a manner which made them victorious.

It's Sports!!

It's sports fergodsakes!  Deserves got nothing to do with it, period.  I've been an athlete or coach seems like all of my life in a variety of sports on a number of different levels, and if I haven't learned anything else, deserves got nothing to do with it.  

Each season, athletes and coaches of differing abilities get together to prepare and then compete, hopefully to attain their goals.  Little separates the sides, but desire.  In the end, desire, tenacity, dogged determination...some say will, makes the difference.  The amazing difference between Team 131 and Team 132 is that lesson, determination trumps deserving.  Those who deserve wait for others to give it to them, those who are determined find a way to take it or make it happen.  Last night, Team 132 punctuated it's season with determination, and took the game, the win, and the Sugar Bowl Championship, because, well, that's what determined people do.  Kudos Team 132, job well done.

Champions are determined by their response to adversity, deserving people just want the good times to roll, reality is where they meet.

What's with the tomato cans?!!?

As the basis for many of my favorite pasta dishes, i must say, I am offended for them!  Can't a "tomato can" get some love too?

Dead On

From the perspective on a Michigander in Gainesville for many years, even my diehard Gator fiends, I mean friends, had to admit the same.  The thought was they were SEARCHING for a feature back, then when they had one...well,...we all saw the results.  Future forward here, them Gator teams were also exposed as not being very physical when the likes of 'Bama, & LSWho came a calling, and a maulin'.  I for one am not afraid of Meyer taking over at Ohio, we're Michigan fergodsakes!  We can handle it.

Here, here. Well said.

I have remained strangely calm all day today, win or lose, because I recognize, perhaps as a former athlete and coach, that we are in a transition.  At the end of the day, we are not yet what our coaching staff intends for us to be, and the puzzle pieces we have may not be what we ultimately want for the coming system.  However, they, the coaching staff, are doing an excellent job of working with what they have, but let's not kid ourselves, if we have been overmatched in the recent past, our personnel hasn't changed significantly.  A loss to Sparty, I don't like, but, for this team, it is NOT the end of the world, they are STILL learning to play football...., in the B1G...., for a new coaching staff......growing pains are gonna happen.  Is this team one of our best?  Probably not, but then we've had teams legitimately ranked in the top ten, even #1, which lost to Sparty, not just in EL, but also at Home!  I love our kids, we will be fine, they will learn, grow, and continue to develop. Go Blue!

Not So Fast My Friend!

While watching the game on ESPN, in the second quarter, tie game, with Denard on the sideline, DG throws an incomplete pass to a covered Hemingway....meanwhile, Hopkins was open down the seam, with no one within twenty yards of him!  He was so wide open that if he caught it then, and walked in, he could score now and still not get touched!  Yes, we left points on the field, still, I feel for the players...especially the seniors...not like they didn't want to win.  What matters now is getting up off the mat and winning the remainder of the games.  Gentlemen, this is adversity, not during a game, but after a loss, what shall you do?

True - Location, Location, Location

I had a meeting in Madison the Thursday before Nebraska came to town and witnessed the Game Day dais being erected in the middle ot campus nowhere near the stadium!  The students of course, flocked to the Game Day setup on Friday & Saturday mornig, then went over to Camp Randall.  Just Sayin'

I Think

Kenny Dewars is going to bottle them up!

Hmmmm....

soooooooo, for your one word,...did you mean multiple?

Yes, but...

Denard only completed 11 passes...for 338yds...good for 30.7yds per COMPLETION!!!  Now THAT'S insane! in the end, it comes down to great understanding, awareness, and communication between QB & WRs that make those plays happen!  I, for one, am grateful!  Go Denard, & Go Blue!

Yes, You Are Correct

The first time they ran that play, Denard's interception, it was the fullback on a desert island, who might have had enough green in front of him to score!  So, yeah, I was glad to see them go back to it later for two HUGE gains!  Take what the defense gives you! That's the trademark and mantra of a good OC.

Borrowing from the SEC...But not that one!

The Security and Exchange Commission makes disclosure mandatory, hence the expression, "Past performance is no indication of future performance."  That said, what's all the stress over whether or not the "jump balls" will work in the future?  Listen, evey DC we face will look at this game film, and try to aviod getting burned by these type of plays, but they worked against ND because of in-game adjustments!  If ND had eight in the box with tight coverage outside, then the slant and quick outs (you know, the 5-7 yd routes the board is screaming about) would not be available.  If, in the 1st half, there were no running lanes and the defense was only giving up the "long ball" and the accuracy and catching wasn't there, the the option left is to STOP overthrowing WR's and give them a chace, via jump balls, to do what they proved in the summer they could do! (see post game interviews)  ND DBs only once showed they could out perform UM's WRs with the ball in the air, result, the 3rd INT.

So, for the record, I am not concerned with whether or not this approach will work in the future, all I want is for sound, in-game adjustments to continue to be made to take advantage of what the defense gives us!  Go Blue!

Right on the Money

I'm glad you posted that, I was thinking it myself, and, watching the game on television, IIRC, Brian Kelly all but said it.  At any rate, the announcers picked up on it and shared as much.  They were more diplomatic, but it amounted to the same conclusion.

 

EDIT: This was intended to be a response to the above message, sorry for any confusion.  But, yes, we do need a rush end, STAT!

Warming Up

Actually, watching on TV, bored now, and the teams are still warming up!  Nevertheless, never expected ND to give up down 16-0 at home, after all it is a holiday weekend, plenty of time to wait it out!

Game Called!!!

Have been watching on ESPN, the game is called!

I like 'em

I think it looks great, love the picture, and for size reference, the goal post really helps!  They are 18 feet 6inches wide, the cross bar is 10feet high, and the uprights are 15feet high!  Yes the stadium is huge, but I think the scoreboards are a nice size for all else we have to go with it!  The example of the Minn scoreboard is a good example of too much, especially given the scope of the overall stadium and proximity to the field as a result.  As for me and mine, can wait for real game action!! 

Thanks for the pic!

Worth a Review

Hadn't thought about this in a while, not sure it has to count against both as a full, at least interms of fiscal support.  I do know of several situations where the support was split by the Football & T&F coaches so that each could get the kid on the field of competition.  That said, keep in mind T&F, like basketball, have fewer schollies to had out, so typically, they prefer football to take the hit thereby opening up more space to recruit additional athletes and produce a stronger team.  Just saying.

Compare Apples to Apples

Please keep in mind, HS high hurdles are the same height as collegiate intermediate hurdles (i.e. the barriers for the 400im hurdle event).  With this in mind, the additional 3in height typically makes a HUGE difference for incoming freshman as the transition to the collegiate level competition.  So, while 13.8 is great for HS, 14.3 is not for collegiate competition.  The rate at which he can convert and acclimate to the collegiate environment will depend a lot on the coaching he receives at the next level. FYI, 14.3 would qualify and score at the SEC Outdoor meet (one of the most dominant conferences in T&F), while 13.54 was the cutoff to make the national finals.  That said, if T&F is his plan A, and he desires to play football, UF's Jeff Demps comes to mind, among others, then a school which has a great sprint/hurdling coach will probably turn his head.  Just saying.

Coaches on the Hot Seat

Our Coach is on the Hot Seat already, because he is ON FIRE!!!  Great hires, 10 recruits for 2012 & 1 already for 2013!!!  Energetic, enthusiastic, Brady un fuego!!

Outdoor 100m Times & Football Kids

Often, football players who run track will alter their diets to prepare for Spring Ball or get ready for Football Summer Conditioning & two-a-days, as a result of the increased body mass, they don't run as fast as they could/should.  Case in point, my kid ran his fastest 100m/200m times early in the season because, unbeknowest to me, he had been convinced by the Football HC that he was getting 'too small' to play his position and no offers would come his way!!   Never mind he was a 6'2", 205 lb MLB who was running 10.7/21.8 for the 100m/200m distances AND finished second at the Florida HS State meet to a kid who eventually won a 4x100m relay gold medal for his home country of Jamaica!! 

Just saying......no sour grapes for his TRACK COACH!!

 

At any rate...let's land this kid!!

Rich Rod

Would never do that, at this point, he understands Michigan Football and now knows, coaching at either of those places...well, that would be sacrilege!

Much Ado...

Check the culture, many of the youth these days don't like you to "square up" on them, you know, stay outta their grille.  If he's a competitor, then I think his coach has already figured out how to deal with him, that's why he's the coach and the kid is allowed to play.  I've coached a few of them myself.

Yes...

...as has been pointed out on several posts.

Nicely Done...

...and well said!

Runnin' the spread

Well, if SHE is runnin the spread...then sign me up!!

A-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w!!!

You beat me to it!!  My thoughts exactly!! Woo-hoo!

Judges?

Score!!  That is all.

There it is!!

My thoughts exactly!  Highest expectations at UNC in recent memory, and...this, for all intents and purposes, an impolsion.  And your telling me the coaches, those responsible for..wait for it, wait for it, oversight aren't having their abilities questioned?  Davis may have "built" a championship team at the U, but he doesn't have it on his resume, soooooo...

If That's a Loophole...

then waht is the size of a Mack Truck these days?