November 28th, 2014 at 7:29 PM ^
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November 28th, 2014 at 8:22 PM ^
Good thing we replaced him with a coach who was exponentially worse! What do you think Rich Rod's record would have been if he'd started his first year with Denard Robinson at QB and 4 NFL-caliber offensive lineman, like Hoke did? Do you think he would have driven the program into the ground in the same way that Hoke did?
November 29th, 2014 at 7:47 AM ^
Because all you can do is recite records and not look at the details of why he had poor records here. Look at the underlying reasons the team had a bad record. I'll give you a hint, check out the disaster of a team he inherited and the lack of talented underclassmen to build around. That's a COMPLETE rebuild and he wasn't even given 4 years. It's a joke and for you to look past that shows how short sighted you are. He had a bad record with bad players, such a revelation. That never happens does it Nick Saban in the NFL, Jim Harbaugh at Stanford. Great football coaches never have losing seasons! Fire him!
RR couldn't compete with established programs at Ohio State and Michigan State. Kind of hard to compete with MSU and OSU when you are forced to play incompetent players because you have inherited one of the worst rosters ever. How shocking! Any other wisdom to impart on us genius? RR could win 3 national championships elsewhere but people like you will still insist that he couldn't win here. The joke is on you though, you know that right?
November 28th, 2014 at 8:19 PM ^
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November 28th, 2014 at 9:00 PM ^
I'm getting the popcorn out and sitting back.
November 28th, 2014 at 6:58 PM ^
FIRE DICKROD!!!
November 28th, 2014 at 7:21 PM ^
Wow RR just beat his rival, South title, and Pac 12 title game. Where is michigan in that same line up, Oh that right there 5-6 about to get spank by Ohio State.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:22 PM ^
November 28th, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^
I'm giving you a cautious upvote because I think I may have gotten the joke. Maybe.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:00 PM ^
Go Wildcats!
Beat Oregon!
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November 28th, 2014 at 8:16 PM ^
"4 or 5 years from meow" is my new favorite mangled autocorrect.
For some reason, in the middle of this unusually heated (for mgoblog) thread, that literally made me lol.
Cheers.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:05 PM ^
I've seen posters, even here, hating on Harbaugh saying that he's not the type of coach that they want at Michigan...I'm really scratching my head over what they want. A coach with a winning record, an excellent body of work in both the college and pro ranks. But Harbaugh speaks his mind and calls it like it is. Apparently some fans want a coach that drinks the Kool-Aid and thinks that we're always perfect and that the "Michigan Way" is the only way...
Oh wait a minute.. that didn't work out so well lately....
November 28th, 2014 at 9:16 PM ^
Where was he successful the first time?
Certainly not SDSU. He was only there two years - one good, one bad. There's no reason to believe either was anything more than a statistical abberation.
Certainly not Ball State. Take a close look at Hoke's record. It doesn't look average, it looks below average, with one accident.
I'm going to be surprised if Hoke gets a head coaching job above the high school level (unless one of Lloyd's buddies is doing the hiring). More likely, Hoke ends up as a DL coach in the pros - at the Ravens, or under Hermann.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:01 PM ^
and schadenfeude.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:01 PM ^
November 28th, 2014 at 7:07 PM ^
It wasn't a mistake to fire him. It did not work here. Get over it. Just because Brady Hoke was bad doesn't mean that RR wasn't bad as well. Did people go into a coma from the end of the 2008 Capital One Bowl to the 2011 game against WMU?
November 28th, 2014 at 7:10 PM ^
November 28th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
Are they all gone or are some still lirking behind the scenes?
November 28th, 2014 at 7:26 PM ^
If it didnt work out, Why the hell was RR improving in Record despite all of BS that was going on. Dude He won 10 game with Arizona, a South Title, Invite to the PAC 12 title game. Where Michigan at in this. No where. This what michigan could of been and know it eating up almost every michigan fan on here to see the worst coach in michigan history heading to a conference title game.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:46 PM ^
Can we please stop this stupid crap about how Rich Rod improving his record at U of M was some kind of mark of quality coaching. He won 3 freakin' games in his first year including a loss to Toledo, providing Michigan with one of its worst seasons in program history. It is impossible not to improve on that season.
He is clearly a better coach than Brady Hoke, that is not a question, but using his "improved record" at Michigan as some kind of sign of progress is tired and needs to stop.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:32 PM ^
Stop, please.
Can we please stop this stupid crap where we bitch about Rich Rod's record in his first year without acknowleding how little he had to work with on offense, and how large a task he was charged with undertaking, i.e., completely overhauling the offensive system? Yes, his first year was terrible. But so what? It was going to be terrible given the roster no matter who was the coach. And his teams were getting better, and the guys he recruited could actually play. We lucked out and hired an awesome coach, and then chose not to give enough time to do what we asked him to.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:00 PM ^
He won 3 games, 3, and he lost to Toledo. My god, the number of people on this blog who excuse that fact is simply astounding. People credit Rich Rod with winning at Arizona without a ton of talent, but yet he couldn't win at Michigan without a ton of talent.
2008 team: 4 stars from the 2005 recruiting class: Terrance Taylor and Brandon Harrison
4 stars from the 2006 recruiting class, Carlos and Steve Brown, Jason Kates, Greg Matthews, Brandon Minor and Jonas Mouton, 5 stars Brandon Graham and Steve Schilling.
2007: Tony Clemons, Austin Panter, Ryan Van Bergen, Michael Williams and 5 star Donavan Warren
2008 recruiting class 4 stars: Barnum, Cissoko, Demens, Fitzgerald, Taylor Hill, Koger, Martin, McGuffie, Mealer, Brandon Moore, Dan O'Neill, Terrance Robinson, Roundtree, Shaw, Smith, Stonum and Marcus Witherspoon.
Sure doesn't seem like a bare cupboard to me. But I am sure you will make more excuses about how all of those players were so terribly mis-judged talent wise, and poor Rich Rod just couldn't make it work without top shelf talent. But when he is at West Virginia or Arizona it is a huge feather in his cap to win with lesser talent than Michigan, you can't have it both ways.
The man is a quality football coach, and clearly superior to Brady Hoke, but he doesn't need you or anyone else to make excuses for his failures at Michigan. He was terrible his first year, pretty bad his second year and meh his third year. Crediting him for a good coaching job at West Virginia and Arizona is justified, but crediting him for improving on his own terrible season is not cause for praise.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:52 PM ^
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Would Rich Rod have done as well in 2011 as Hoke, I don't know, Hoke got ridiculously lucky that year, I don't know if that is something Rich Rod would have duplicated. But I am 100% confident in saying Michigan would be a better football team right now if Rich Rod were the coach instead of Hoke. Because it is clear he is a better head football coach than Brady Hoke.
My point is Rich Rod does not deserve credit for improvement. It is impossible to not improve on 3 wins. As terrible a football coach as Brady Hoke is he has still managed to win at least 5 games. I will say it over and over again, criticize Hoke for his diminishing returns, credit Rich Rod for succeeding everywhere but Michigan, but his improvement from a 3 win start is not a positive.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:21 PM ^
...what would __________ 's record be if he was stuck playing Threet and Sheridan at QB for a full season.
Fill in that blank with Saban, Meyer, Dantonio, Chip Kelly, either Harbaugh, Lloyd, Mo, Bo, Woody, Bear, Vince Lombardi, etc.
You get the drift. 3-9 or worse.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:43 PM ^
I just can't believe that Threet was such a terrible QB that it was impossible to win more than 3 games with his as your QB. The records are a bit hazy for the Washington State game (Threet played far more than Osweiller), but I believe in 2010 Threet won 4 games as the starter at Arizona State before getting benched.
So by your logic, Dennis Erickson is a better coach than any of the other ones you named because he managed to go better than 3 and 9 with Threet at QB. We both know that is ridiculous and hyperbole, but my point stands, good coaches minimize the weaknesses of their terrible players, including QB's.
I was OK with Rich Rod's 3 win first year, I did not immediately want to run him out of town for it. The only point I am trying to make is improving on that bad of a season is not reason to praise the man for his head coaching ability.
November 28th, 2014 at 10:53 PM ^
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It was an incredible coaching job to get that group of players to a bowl game period. He inherited a roster in shambles. There was no talented underclassmen, there was little to work with. It's a miracle he kept improving his record especially in a much tougher B1G conference than is currently in place.
He should have won 3 freakin games our first year, our team was horrible. Harbaugh won 4 freakin games his first year at Stanford. It's all about the quality of the players on the team. Stanford was actually much more talented than Michigan was in Harbaughs first year. I know that hurts some of the Michigan faithful but go compare rosters. Michigan had some bad, bad players on their team when RR took over. Improved record is only a tiny metric to use when evaluating the quality of a coach especially when they are entering a complete rebuild. There are many other factors to keep tabs on when evaluating a team other than just win loss record.
Many great coaches have losing records. RR is winning at Arizona. Let that sink in. He would have won here and won big. There is absolutely no reason that RR could win at Arizona and West Virginia yet not win here. What would it take for you to admit you are dead wrong? If RR wins a national championship would you finally admit RR would have won here given time?
November 28th, 2014 at 7:33 PM ^
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What does the man have to do before you admit your ignorance? Would RR winning a national championship at Arizona finally convince you that he can coach? Arizona has worse facilities, worse recruiting base, a better conference. What is it about Michigan that makes you think he couldn't win here? How in the world is firing a great head coach the right thing to do? He inherited a crater for a roster and was told to go ahead and install his system. He was given 3 years. Dumb.
We never were able to see what the man can really do. His team was still establishing some semblance of a roster in year 3 because the entire program needed to be renovated. He did not fail here. He was getting better and establishing a solid, youthful roster. His players won a Sugar Bowl. Do you honestly think this coaching staff was the reason we won the Sugar Bowl? You are delusional. It was a HUGE mistake to fire a great coach, get over it, admit you are wrong.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:12 PM ^
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November 28th, 2014 at 7:03 PM ^
Lost in the QB/RB fawning is he has a very solid OL and a good DL. These were things with lots of holes in his time at UM. Oregon was down some OL but that game was dominated in the trenches by Zona. I'll also say his offense has morphed from a run spread to more of a Oregon based spread. Anu can run but he is not out there exposing his body 20-25x a game.
Anyhow happy for him, he seems much more relaxed and happy in general and is in an environment that fits his personality.
All that said I continue to believe if Tate had his head on straigh and was our QB with Denard as our explosive RB history probably would have told a different tale here. That and $50K more for a defensive coordinator.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:08 PM ^
By his third year at Michigan he was starting Omameh and Lewan along with a couple of players he inherited: Schilling and Molk. He had fixed the OL.
RR has always been able to adjust the spread to meet the abilities of his QB, but they do need to have ability and some experience. He ran a pass spread when he had Shaun King, he ran when he had Denard.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:02 PM ^
Good win, but no way will they be able to compete with the big, physical, overpowering offense they will inevitably face in the titl-
November 28th, 2014 at 7:06 PM ^
or Bama?
It would be great to see them give it a try against Bama. Can't be any worse than ND's great D.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:28 PM ^
Keep telling yourself that.
November 28th, 2014 at 10:13 PM ^
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
November 28th, 2014 at 7:28 PM ^
Keep telling yourself that.
November 28th, 2014 at 10:13 PM ^
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh