njvictor

April 1st, 2021 at 10:38 AM ^

Apparently it's real... or one of the most well coordinated April Fools jokes I've seen. It would make sense why there has been a mini exodus of players from UNC

https://twitter.com/UNC_Basketball/status/1377626749903761426

https://goheels.com/news/2021/4/1/mens-basketball-test-release.aspx

But wow is UNC dumb for choosing to announce this today

mgoblue0970

April 1st, 2021 at 2:50 PM ^

Or if UNC announces today that they have come to terms with Michael Jordan to come back as head coach.  That might be even better.

Given the attention Penny, Howard, and Ewing are getting this spring, that is not beyond the realm of possibility.  

bronxblue

April 1st, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^

Perhaps, but I think he's been trending down a bit.  I agree MSU isn't UNC or Duke but they are still a pretty high-level program and a younger guy with more forward-thinking coaching could absolutely take off there.  Izzo screaming at and grabbing players for the next couple of years isn't the worst thing to tarnish their image a bit.

rc90

April 1st, 2021 at 2:14 PM ^

I don't know that Duke is really Duke. The guy before K (Bill Foster) had some success (1978 finals, trips to the NCAA when it was <=40 teams), but Foster for some reason left for the mighty South Carolina job. Obviously a lot has changed in the last 40 years, but nobody knows how much their current state is K and how much of it is Duke.

jmblue

April 1st, 2021 at 2:29 PM ^

Duke also went to the Final Four a couple of times in the 1960s.  They've been a strong program for most of the last 60 years.  

Beyond that, they're media darlings.  They'll get their pick of the litter.  An old rumor is that Brad Stevens wants to succeed K.

DoubleB

April 1st, 2021 at 7:24 PM ^

I agree with this take. Duke won't be awful without Coach K. I think there's a pretty good chance they take a step or two back from being D-U-K-E.

I feel the same way about Syracuse and MSU for that matter. Is it the larger than life coach or the program.

rc90

April 1st, 2021 at 10:50 AM ^

I've always thought of Guthridge as the last three years of the Dean Smith era. He was supposed to be some sort of placeholder, I guess, until the Right Guy was found.

I had the misfortune of attending Guthridge's last game as head coach.

bronxblue

April 1st, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^

It's unlikely they'd be interested in him or him in UNC, but Beilein to UNC would be terrifying.  

I'm ambivalent about Williams overall.  Clearly a good coach but also a guy who always felt a bit slimy.  Still better than Coach K on that front.  Will be interested if we see some roster turnover that affects UM.

bronxblue

April 1st, 2021 at 2:05 PM ^

Yeah, but Beilein can pull in a certain degree of top-level recruit that UNC would be happy with.  We sleep on it now but Beilein was putting guys into the NBA at a good clip; not quite UNC level but still pretty good.  

The age thing is the bigger issue, honestly.  UNC can cheat to get guys because they get away with it, but if Beilein has shown he can make an elite team with NBA-level guys out of players other schools pass on.  In the end fans just want to see a winner and don't care how they get there.

Erik_in_Dayton

April 1st, 2021 at 11:00 AM ^

I was at Kansas when Roy was there. I had some insight into the men's basketball team, because I knew several of the women's players. Roy treated people well as far as I know. His players were not necessarily great students (I'm being kind putting it like that), but they weren't bad citizens. And while that may seem like a low bar, they could likely have murdered people and still been embraced by the KU fanbase.

I don't think Roy was anywhere near as dirty as, say, Will Wade. But his programs weren't terribly clean either. I don't mean this as an apology, but I think he came from an era when cash handshakes and cutting academic corners were par for the course. People forget that John Wooden was a massive cheater by John Beilein standards.

Anyway, this is a long way of saying that Roy was not the worst and not the best.

bronxblue

April 1st, 2021 at 2:11 PM ^

Makes sense.

I thought Williams seemed like a nicer guy than Coach K or Izzo in terms of player interactions; the latter seem like absolute monsters to be around.  I guess I conflate a bit how easy it was for Bill Self to take over at Kansas and all the stuff that's come out from that regime and assume that the groundwork was laid by Williams.  And the academic fraud issues they had with the basketball team at UNC were during his tenure and that stuck with me.  But by college basketball standards he's probably not all that bad; of the "great" coaches of this era he sounds cleaner than your Calipari's or Coach Ks.  

njvictor

April 1st, 2021 at 12:42 PM ^

Maybe this is a hot take, but I always thought Roy Williams was overrated as a coach in the last handful of years. The only way he ever had success was when his 5 stars stayed for 4 years. He always seemed to underachieve with the talent he had in recent years

DoubleB

April 1st, 2021 at 7:42 PM ^

9 Final Fours, 3 national championships. 

I think when you have talent like he does you can't ever overachieve. It's an impossible bar to reach. 

There are better tactical coaches out there, but he rebuilt Carolina very, very quickly after the Doherty debacle and achieved quite a bit of success. Even in the last 5 years he played in one national title game and won one.

Grampy

April 1st, 2021 at 10:58 AM ^

Like him or not, Good Ol’ Boy Roy knew how to play the game at both Kansas and UNC.  Whether it was money or keeping players eligible (See: UNC Academic Scandal), Roy kept his teams in the top ten for decades.  Personally, I always thought he was an oily, smiling piece of shit.

Wolverine In Exile

April 1st, 2021 at 11:00 AM ^

All in all, UNC got what it wanted, Roy got what he wanted, and all parties can move on. This was probably one of the more successful "return to mama when she calls" type of coaching hires in recent NCAA history.