Rivals Rumor: Gut Feeling It's Hoke
Take it fwiw but Rivals' Chris Balas created a post that sent The Fort into a tailspin of anarchy. It's since been deleted but it appears to have been centered on Hoke being the choice/inevitable selection. I believe it was a "strong gut feeling" which aka equals death.
Cue chaos/panic/Brian 504'ing the website into oblivion.
Yes, it's a rumor. Yes, they get stuff wrong. But to come out with that in the midst of the present Baton Rouge insanity is bad news bears.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:43 PM ^
Why did it get deleted?
January 10th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
They mentioned hiring Brady Hoke so I blew up their servers. Hopefully Dave Brandon takes the lesson to heart.
January 10th, 2011 at 1:22 PM ^
Are you a member of the White Panther Party? If so, I have a few buildings in Columbus I'd like you to pay a visit.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:47 PM ^
the reaction was... violent
January 10th, 2011 at 1:00 PM ^
If it were true though.....there'd be no reason to remove it.
(keep telling myself this.....keep telling myself this.....)
January 10th, 2011 at 3:36 PM ^
you would presume that Hoke will be the coach. DAMN YOU RICH ROD!
January 10th, 2011 at 4:27 PM ^
Because a "gut feeling" does not, and should not, be means for reporting
January 10th, 2011 at 12:44 PM ^
Sam Webb works for Scout.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^
he is not the only person w/ a gut.
January 10th, 2011 at 1:11 PM ^
True, but have we seen a propensity for accuracy from anyone's gut but Sam's?
January 10th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^
Is this like a beer belly gut, or like one of those large pretruding guts?
January 10th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^
if it's hoke, my gut feeling is puke
January 10th, 2011 at 2:54 PM ^
Usually my guts only feelings produce one thing!
January 10th, 2011 at 3:58 PM ^
January 10th, 2011 at 12:44 PM ^
To make sure that a middling coach was already behind the 8 ball by undercutting his first recruiting class.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
Chris then took the post down because he said it was just a "gut feeling" and that many people still believe it will be Miles. I don't think it was based off of anything significant.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:49 PM ^
fair enough - i just mean he threw it out there unsolicited and it wasn't even a "coaching search premium blablabla" so i figured it was enough DEATH to create a post where the rhetoric would be simple and not OMGWEREFUCT (which i trust it would be if someone else did)
January 10th, 2011 at 1:16 PM ^
Enough with the Brady Hoke = DEATH meme, which was stupid the first 10,000 times I read it.
Nothing would make me happier than Brady Hoke coaching Michigan to 10 wins next year with an excellent offense and significantly improved defense, and then watching everyone here who equated Brady Hoke with death to admit he's a great coach WHO ACTUALLY WANTED TO COACH THIS SCHOOL, which seems to be a quality in short supply the past two coaching searches.
January 10th, 2011 at 1:40 PM ^
If Hoke coaches this team to 10 wins next year there will be those who complain the team had the talent to win 12.
I can't say that Hoke is one of the best coaches in the country, but I think Michigan could certainly do a lot worse. He's a good coach. Maybe not a GREAT coach, but truly great coaches don't grow on trees. More than that, he'd be a good fit for the program-- which, as we've all learned over the past three years, is more important than one might think.
There was only one "perfect" candidate for this job, and he's now with the 49ers. The rest all have their question marks. It's up to DB to decide who's pros outweigh their cons.
January 10th, 2011 at 2:11 PM ^
hoke doesn't run the spread and would win 2-3 games tops with the current players, after the black hole left by transfers that is, trying to play in a 1940's offensive scheme. you saw what happened every time they lined up in the I formation last year. please join the rest of us in reality.
January 10th, 2011 at 2:49 PM ^
Hoke's 1940s offensive scheme put up a hell of a lot more points and yards against Navy than we put up against the 5th best team in the SEC.
Let;s look at how Hoke's 1940s offense fared against the ranked teams that he faced:
TCU - 300 yards, 35 points
Utah - 587 yards (!!!), 34 points
Air Force - 452 yards, 27 points
How did we do against ranked teams? Not to very good, no? I would take this 1940s offense any day over an offense that can rack up yards against crap competition but which cannot score against decent competition.
Now let's look at Hoke's team stats: 19th in points for and 34th in points against. Not so bad, huh?
Final point:
As to your contention that Hoke would not be able to work with the team current players and that we would win 2-3 games, I disagree. We have great wide-outs. Stonum, in fact, was recruited to play in Carr's 1940s offense. Same with Jr.
Our RBs are a bit weak, but I could see Hopkins being a beast in a more power-set. And, don't count out Denard. You seem to believe that he could only thrive in a spread option offense. I disagree. He has a great arm and if he played in a more pro-style set (although Hoke has run the spread before, so I would expect something of a mix), his arm would be fine and his ability to take off might be even more deadly, because it wouldn't be expected on every play.
Final, final point (sorry, there we a lot wrong with your post):
Hoke's defense will be a huge step up. Watching his Bowl game, I was highly impressed by how well the D players stuck to assignments and, you know tackled. Sort of like how our D-line played when he was the coach here when we won the National Championship with an amazing defense.
We could do a hell of a lot worse than Hoke.
January 10th, 2011 at 2:56 PM ^
My major gripe about Hoke and anyone who is gonna run a pro offense is that it = Denard Leaving.
January 10th, 2011 at 3:01 PM ^
That is a very fair gripe, actually. Even though I am in the "Hoke for Head Coach" camp, I share that concern.
I am hoping that in the end, Denard realizes that he actually has a better chance of going on to the NFL if he learns to play in a pro style offense. I also think that Denard loves his teammates, and that this may keep him.
Finally, Hoke has actually run the spread before. People keep forgetting this. I could see Hoke coming in and having a one-on-one with Denard and basically saying, "look kid, you are a once in a gneration talent. I want you here and I want to build this team around you. I promise that whatever scheme we run, it will be suited to your abilities."
Hoke is a player's coach. The kids love him. If anyone can convince Denard to stay it is him.
January 10th, 2011 at 3:17 PM ^
I'm for Miles, although a bit less enthusiastic for it than i was three years ago, but if it's Hoke, I've no problem at all.
I guess (because I'm on record as saying Denard looked like "dookie" against the good teams on our schedule) Denard is exciting and is talented, but he sure as heck isn't gonna hold UM hostage. Not the savior (if he stays), not the antichrist (if he leaves).
We loved us some Tate Forcier and we've loved us some Devin Gardner. We'll love us some QB recruit Hoke brings in.
We have ALL speculated how cool it might be to have Denard on the field with Tate or Devin. And let's not forget Florida was the ONLY other school to tell him he could play QB (as if).
I also think people who forecast Denard leaving if he doesn't get what he wants in terms of a coach or a particular offense are selling his character a bit short.
January 10th, 2011 at 3:23 PM ^
Denard is a great talent. Remember, he is only a sophmore. He should have redshirted his first year and been worked in sporadically last year, but was forced into action. Have faith in his abilities.
But, I agree with you that the decision should not be made solely around keeping Denard. Nobody wants him to leave, but if he does, remember that Devin was a huge recruit and Tate is still on the team (I hope).
Also, great point on people talking about Denard transferring really underselling his character. I think that Denard stays regardless of who is on the sidelines.
January 10th, 2011 at 4:56 PM ^
the biggest... but have become far more comfortable with forcier, the guy everyone is forgetting.
January 10th, 2011 at 6:18 PM ^
Well said….I'm so sick of whiney babies, crying about the future they know nothing about. Shut up and support the school and who the AD chooses. We are killing ourselves by posting so much negative rhetoric. If I were a recruit or coach thinking about coming to our school, I would think twice after spending two weeks in this forum.
Not that this should be a surprise to anyone, however, recruits and parents of recruits read through these online platforms to get a feel of the fan-base, state of the program etc…
This forum has some real solid credibility entwined throughout. There is a lot of great info on here, which is why you all are here. I’ve heard myriad amount of people discuss this credibility factor as well. The recruits, high school coaches, and parents also understand this.
January 11th, 2011 at 2:12 AM ^
We are killing ourselves by posting so much negative rhetoric. If I were a recruit or coach thinking about coming to our school, I would think twice after spending two weeks in this forum.
Please tell me you weren't one of the people that attacked the idea that the negativity from the fans like this didn't ultimately help with getting RR fired.
January 11th, 2011 at 10:11 AM ^
you; or, that I understand what you're asking me?
I think maybe you should read my post again if you’re searching for a question. It's actually pretty clear what was stated unlike your response.
If you just want to be a smartass and post a cocky, non-thought provoking response to gain points...well then, I believe you have accomplished just that. Have a great day and go after somebody else who wants to play your game.
January 13th, 2011 at 12:58 AM ^
were you saying that very same thing while RR was the coach? Or were you against the idea that negativity from the fans and local media in any way helped to undermine RR from the start?
Because, honestly, if it's the latter (like it seems to be with many people around here right now), that's quite hypocritical. It's a legit question, and not one that is simply "posting to get points."
January 10th, 2011 at 2:39 PM ^
If this site were not acting up, I would +1 you.
I am so sick of people talking down the guy who might be our next coach. If people want to say that Miles is a better choice, fine. If people want to call him unexciting, fine. But why is he death? He turned around 2 teams in the last few years, and did it playing good solid fundamental football.
Also, when he played ranked competition, even though his outmatched school lost, the games were close - no 37-7 or 52-14 blowouts.
I think that Hoke would do a great job. Because he lacks sizzle, he might struggle with recruiting this year, but part of that is on DB's ridiculous time table.
I for one would welcome Coach Hoke. Better to have a guy that appreciates what a great job this is than a guy who strings us along only to bolt for the NFL. (I assume that JH strung us along during December, otherwise there is absolutely NO justification for DB's time table and that would make me sad).
January 10th, 2011 at 12:46 PM ^
my bad....
January 10th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
said it was his gut feeling, then fine. a gut feeling is a gut feeling.
but people acting like they know whats going to happen based on obviously incomplete information is silly imho...
January 10th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
Alas I have become death, destroyer of Blogs.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
After all of this, I am not going to believe a gut feeling, rumor that got taken down from a message board. If all these rumors were true Harbaugh and Les would be co-head coaches. I wont believe a hire until I see someone at a press conference.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
Sam's gut, I don't want to see it or hear about it.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:46 PM ^
I'm about to throw up all my guts if that gut feeling is accurate... Although to be fair, if we're going to be talking about guts, Brady Hoke's gut can step to just about anyone's.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:46 PM ^
If so, given the timing and recruiting meltdown that has commenced over the last month, a Hoke hire this late in the game would be a horrible performance by Brandon. However, obviously I will support Hoke and I think that he can succeed here.
January 10th, 2011 at 1:11 PM ^
I would tend to agree, given more time than Rodriguez got. The inner sanctum will give it to him, will the everyday fans??
January 10th, 2011 at 2:32 PM ^
What bothers me about this is why the hell was Rodriguez not given more time then?
He's clearly a better coach than Hoke.
January 10th, 2011 at 2:40 PM ^
the everyday fan doesn't matter because they don't have enough $$$ to donate. Sad but true.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:48 PM ^
I think he's a joke, and IMO ONLY ONLY his info is not nearly as good as Beaver or Blue Sam of Scout (this really real inside insider stuff).
It is JMO ONLY ONLY that Balas has fringe "insider" contact while Beaver is a little bit closer to REAL insider people.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^
this serves as a placeholder to substantiate your exact sentiments regarding CB. though, to be fair, Rivals has a better draw for subscribers if the coaching candidate is a Miles or Gruden. i'd have no interest in joining Rivals if it was Hoke rumored, etc.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^
Because the guys on Scout will go completely ballistic and some might become dangerous, pondering actually leaving their basements and going out in public to protest over a Hoke hiring.
I always felt Balas and Co were more on the Carr/Hoke side of things based on ramblings of multiple boards.
January 10th, 2011 at 1:11 PM ^
i was unclear: i meant any site currently trying to draw subscribers is going to benefit from the fanbase having a positive reaction to a coach compared to a negative one. if the choice is les miles, i'm going to want to subscribe bc i want to know what's going on. if it's hoke, i'm no longer interested in the process and to hear more about it as it happens would just piss me off.
January 10th, 2011 at 1:04 PM ^
Not trying to be a dick but what has beaver been right about in the entire coaching search? He's guessing just like everyone else. The scout guys, except for Blue Sam, are so vague with their information that they can never be wrong. If all else fails they will use the famous, "everything is fluid" line.
Then they have some know-it-all over there who is promising he has a source who said Les Miles is a done deal -- he even promised not to post for a year if he is wrong. Way to go out a limb. There's a pretty good chance Miles will be the next coach, if not, sign up under a new username and continue to post. Yet, all of the slappies are hanging on o his every word even though he said two days ago that Mike Leach would be the next coach.
My point? Noone but DB knows what's going on right now and the people who say they do aren't being honest. We need to let the process play out.
January 10th, 2011 at 2:38 PM ^
With what you have said. Anyone who reads scout knows beaver has issues with the English language, and his attempts to be cute, or covert, with his writing really appeal to the masses there.
His is extremely vague, and it does allow him, in the end, to seemingly always say, "I told you so!"
But I do think he is pretty connected and delivers his info in such a way as to be credible if you can weed out 95% of the filler material.
And i do take into account that most of what he or any "insider" says is second hand info and a ton of innuendo and speculation.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^
and TJB HAVE NOT said this. They still have Les > Hoke.
January 10th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^
at worst, by creating this post, we can see the reactionary nature of Rivals and link to this thread to show that not everything said by CB or others is the gospel, etc