In reality who could Michigan get to be a better HC?
I'm now onboard with the idea that Harbaugh is not the guy to get it done here, but who really could? I feel like "eh this is kinda Michigan football, its not going to get better". But really Michigan needs a coach who can come in here and revamp the offense. No more of these FB dives, hand off to the running back to run up the gut for a year, slow tempo, delay of game when down like 30....
Not that Michigan would part ways but would would be a realistic coach to fix this mess because Saban and Dabo are not coming.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:49 PM ^
I don't see you naming any names, boss.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:58 PM ^
Yeah never question the coaches. Did you see what our 3 stars Stueber and Runayn and McKeon and Gil and Metellus and Furbush and Dwumfour and Kemp did out there today. Trust the coaches recruiting rankings don't matter.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
Name your name. Who you going with?
December 29th, 2018 at 4:36 PM ^
Urban’s free. Maybe Chip Kelly although it took him way too long to get ND going
December 29th, 2018 at 4:40 PM ^
So, in other words, you got nobody.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^
I think an honest and open search with several of the following might yield someone:
-Dino Babers
-Neal Brown
-Lance Leipold
-Matt Campbell (I know, I know but interviews don't hurt anyone and if he can make ISU competitive/good every year, he might know a thing or two.)
-Jeff Monken
-Mike Norvell
December 29th, 2018 at 6:07 PM ^
This is a nice who’s who of the MAC and lower divisions of college football. Collectively, they do not have the coaching credentials of Jim Harbaugh. All would be desperation moves and completely unnecessary at this point. Only a fan of our opposition would suggest such a derailing.
December 29th, 2018 at 7:34 PM ^
If you read carefully, I never suggested they actually do this. The guy kept asking for names and they’re successful or rising coaches. The point is it’s possible. But with the logic you’re applying, there’d be the same group of coaches circling between every job with no new faces. After all, they have the credentials right?
December 29th, 2018 at 10:11 PM ^
Bob Stoops
December 29th, 2018 at 4:40 PM ^
I thought Red Kelly was their coach.
December 29th, 2018 at 9:01 PM ^
Brian kelly Chip is at UCLA
December 31st, 2018 at 8:16 AM ^
What an ultimate plot twist that would be. Urban pissed off at OSU so he comes to Michigan and turns the tables. Would any UM fan care if he wins games? I certainly wouldn't. Wasn't it said to be in his contract at Utah that the 3 schools he could leave to go to without buyout (or significantly less) were OSU, ND, and UM?
December 29th, 2018 at 6:53 PM ^
Spare me the bullshit. Recruiting rankings DO matter.
Are they the end all, be all? No. Sometimes a player or two sneak last the rankings. But recruiting a team full of three stars, even if you coach them up to the best of their abilities, will not win you a national title.
Case in point: 2015 Cotton Bowl. Alabama vs. MSU. That’s the best team Dantonio will ever have at MSU, you had a team full of 2-3 star players that Dantonio coached up incredibly well. And they still couldn’t have carried Alabama’s sweaty jockstrap.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:59 PM ^
The real questions is "Why do you want to keep Harbaugh?".
Has he won 10 games multiple times? Yes. Has he had any real win of consequence. I mean a stake in the ground win? No.
If this was any other relationship...boss, co-worker, boyfriend / girlfriend...would you expect anything different from them in year 5 that they weren't in the first 4 years? No!
It's time to let go of one of the highest paid coaches in the country and give it to a hungry proven coordinator or coach. What is the real value of winning 10 games when you lose the games you need to have a special season?
December 29th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^
Still waiting to hear names.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:22 PM ^
Lots of names have been listed. Some are decent.
I would find a coach with offensive minded philosophy... perhaps off of the Mike Leach coaching tree.
No, not a coach already on top like Saban or Urban, they are not coming.
Someone that has teams that overachieve relative to their talent level; even if they aren’t a top 5 team.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:12 PM ^
Brady Hoke also failed to have his stake in the ground win, but he at least tried.
December 29th, 2018 at 7:19 PM ^
He's doing an excellent job recruiting, the defense has been fun to watch most games (so much so that a bad performance upsets people). He a terrific fit for the program from a culture perspective and he's a good human being. Michigan football is respectable again even after the losses. We have a legitimate shot now every year at making the playoffs, so what the hell is everyone whining about? Ohio state has beat our asses more often than not. Boohoo. That's probably going to continue with a rich rod like hire or you end up with a scandal or any other number of things that detracts from a stable program which is what we need.
December 30th, 2018 at 10:18 AM ^
“More often than not.” Lol
December 30th, 2018 at 10:47 AM ^
Your logic makes no sense. There are elite teams in college football Alabama Clemson OSU and probably Georgia. Then there is everyone else. 10 wins in today’s day and age is a very good season and he still brings in top10 recruiting classes. You think that’s not good coaching? Your crazy is all I can say
look I’m not thrilled with the last two games but I also know discarding JH for some young up and comer has a more likely chance of becoming Hoke or RR all over again rather then us becoming Alabama. This program is still a lot better then it was 4 years ago and to reach the top of the mountain will not be easy but Sabans and Dabos don’t just grow on trees out there or everyone would have them. I guess watch what you wish for
December 29th, 2018 at 3:59 PM ^
Urban is available.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:39 PM ^
THE BEST coach in college football!! Just ask 2014!
December 29th, 2018 at 3:49 PM ^
Harbaugh is the best coach we've had in a while and people want to get rid of him? Fuck our fans sometimes.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^
Harbaugh has won nothing and feasts on bad teams. He gets paid 7 mil a year to be 1-9 against top 10 teams and 2-7 against rivals.
Are you his neighbor or something?
December 29th, 2018 at 3:54 PM ^
He's probably old.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:58 PM ^
Cool, did you forget about Hoke and RR?
December 29th, 2018 at 4:10 PM ^
Strawman argument. Because any other coach we hire will end up like Hoke or Rich Rod. Guaranteed.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:17 PM ^
RR= Being sabotaged by influential Michigan insiders with power. Don't know if he would have been super successful at Michigan, but he wasn't given a fair shot at all.
Hoke= Michigan hired a dipshit of an AD that, out of narcissistic behavior that would have made Napoleon blush, went out and hired a Head Coach that had a 50% win record at MAC schools just because he was a "Michigan Man".
It has been the arrogance of people in power at Michigan that have put us in the position we are now. Harbaugh was a good hire. We all thought he we had a GREAT hire and one that would be our Messiah. We should have been more measured.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:34 PM ^
People defending Rich Rod are absurd. How did that Arizona job go? The exact same way the Michigan job did
December 29th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^
I'm not proposing that RR would have been a great coach at Michigan. What I am saying is that we will never know how good he could have been. There was so much dysfunction and penis measuring by the old and new guard that significant levels of undermining were levied agains RR.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:50 PM ^
lloyd carr says hi!
December 29th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
Sorry dumbass. He plays who’s on the schedule! Pests get hoke again!
oc is needed, not a head coach!
December 31st, 2018 at 11:53 AM ^
Are you able to have a discussion with someone without calling them a dumbass or telling them to fuck off? What are you 12?
December 29th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^
This.
Ten year shit show after the "Michigan needs a new Carr with Les Miles" crowd crowing through 2004/2006.
Then we had the joys of Rich Rod/Hoke.
Realistically, short of bringing Urban Meyer out of retirement who is going to be better? Man, we've become Notre Dame pre (and perhaps during Kelly) as a fanbase.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:18 PM ^
Except Kelly took them to a national championship and now the CFP.
December 29th, 2018 at 6:04 PM ^
Are you seriously suggesting there's no better coach than Harbaugh out there right now? Now one in their early to mid 40's who could come in and make the changes needed to give us a better shot than what we have right now? No one?
December 29th, 2018 at 6:18 PM ^
There is nobody.
This job requires that you win at a high level and do it the right way. This cannot be discounted. Especially against the backdrop of the conduct of our division rivals and the recruiting practices of the southern teams.
Further, this program had to be rebuilt after three botched transitions. None of the MAC and D3 heroes being bandied about in this thread could be successful given the above and after the FOURTH botched transition.
Only our enemies would suggest that we embark on such a fools errand.
December 29th, 2018 at 8:22 PM ^
Spare your philosophical bullshit, and where are you getting three botched transitions? Lloyd to RR, RR to Hoke is only two. Considering we had the most draft picks in school history in 2016 how can you call that a botched transition or "having to be rebuilt"? We're in year fucking four of Harbaugh and you're still blaming it on some rebuild that didn't exist.
December 30th, 2018 at 8:51 AM ^
I know it is hard for you to count but Hoke to Harbaugh is transition #3. He was not able to get started until the very end of December.
You may want to ignore the facts and I understand that because it does not fit your argument. However, it takes time to build a program clean. Especially one that had fallen as far as Michigan.
Harbaugh has us on the doorstep. You may want to get on the coaching carousel for another three year transition after which you’ll be calling for another coach’s head. Frankly it is a stupid idea.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:54 PM ^
0-4 OSU
1-9 top 10 ranked teams
1-3 in bowl games
2-2 MSU
Look I know he fixed some things with the team, but did you honestly believe that after year four of Harbaugh we would have 0 wins against OSU, no playoff appearances, beat like this in bowl games, #1 defense giving up 100+ points in the last two games of the season? I didn't think that would be the case, and I don't think thats fair for a coach making the money he does.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:58 PM ^
You got names?
December 29th, 2018 at 4:03 PM ^
Dino Babers And Matt Campbell
December 29th, 2018 at 4:10 PM ^
Matt Campbell
lost to Iowa, Oklahoma, TCU, Texas and The Pirate at WSU.
Just. Why.
A less qualified version of Rich Rod as a candidate with less success.
/smh
December 29th, 2018 at 4:19 PM ^
I’m not looking to replace Harbaugh but Campbell lost those games with our level of talent?
December 29th, 2018 at 4:24 PM ^
Campbell isn't playing Kansas State and TCU if he comes to Michigan. He has to go to Happy Valley. And Camp Randall. And South Bend. And play Ohio State every fucking year.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:32 PM ^
He beat #1 Oklahoma at Oklahoma last year. Bigger than any win Harbaugh has by far.
December 29th, 2018 at 9:41 PM ^
He beat a #4 ranked TCU team that year as well. Two wins far better than anything Harbaugh has done while at Michigan.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:48 PM ^
Because the B10 is the most awesome and difficult conference in the nation!
LOL
December 30th, 2018 at 12:42 AM ^
Campbell couldn't do any worse in Happy Valley or Camp Randall. Also, OSU, considering the historic beatdown UM just took. And while he won't be playing Kansas St or TCU (both of which are better than a lot of B10 teams) I am sure he would also be able to just barely beat IU every year.