Realistic season outlook

Submitted by MercuryHayesIn… on September 22nd, 2019 at 3:42 PM

2-1 on the season (an embarrassing effort yesterday and to be quite honest won a game we should have lost vs Army)

30/70 games.... can't call them 50/50 because when we play a near equal or better opponent we lose.  (could very easily go 0-5 here)

Iowa, PSU, ND, MSU, OSU

60/40 games .... games we probably should win but never know

Maryland and Indiana

80/20 games .....  games we most certainly will win

Illinois and Rutgers

My guess is we end up 7-5 somehow but it is also very possible to end up with a sub .500 year.  This season really has the feeling of the bad Hoke and RR teams.  We aren't utilizing the talent on the roster. We don't develop talent.  

I don't know how at this point in his tenure with the season going the way it is going he keeps a job.  It seems as if this season he has lost complete control of the team.  The tough defense we once had is now flat footed and getting dominated.  The promised uptempo modern offense looks worse than ever. It really begs the question of if there is anyway that this coaching staff can right the ship for this year and beyond ... it seems highly unlikely.  

I am thinking we will end up 7-5 with the usual waxing by OSU and a coaching search in the off season. 

bacon1431

September 22nd, 2019 at 4:05 PM ^

Eh, I disagree. The only teams that have the capability of blowing things wide open like that are PSU, ND, and OSU. We could play poorly and have a chance against every other team. Iowa and MSU have good defenses, but their offenses have almost no explosive playmakers. Think we beat them because it’s at home. And I think we beat the teams we are much better than. JH has beaten almost everyone he should have beaten. Just because we got pooped on yesterday doesn’t mean we are Going to lose every other game. This is probably going to be like 2017 IMO. 

jbuch002

September 22nd, 2019 at 7:52 PM ^

Correct.

I took Jeff Sagrin's Week 4 Ratings (there are others but this one is the easiest to make game predictions) and ran the calculations on the rest of M's schedule. Here they are, Bold = win (a calculated spread of less than 1 = a loss):

Rutgers, M is favored by 30.8
Iowa, M is favored by 0.84
@ Illinois, M is favored by 13.5
@ PSU, PSU is favored by 13.95
ND, ND is favored by 4.5
@ Maryland, Maryland is favored by 5.16
MSU, MSU is favored by 0.34
@ IU, M is favored by 6.51
osu, osu is favored by 17.47

Things change weekly with Sagain and all the ranking systems but as of right now, M will lose 6 more games and finish the 2019 season 5-7. I think that is clearly the floor and I did my own thing with a spread of < 1.00. Those would probably be considered toss - up so, let's give us a "chance" for M to win those two (MSU and Iowa) and go 7-5. I also happen to think that is probably a realistic record. People thinking we are going to win 8 or more games are waaaaaay off blowing rainbows out their asses

While it's true that fancy stats like this are so objective that they defy the "shit happens," and "you will win/lose a game on a refs call," and "randomness" laws.

Read it and weep.

freelion

September 22nd, 2019 at 3:46 PM ^

6-6 or 7-5 is my guess. Several high profile players transfer and Harbaugh resigns. Harbaugh is a turnaround guy - not a program builder.

TVG_2.0

September 22nd, 2019 at 3:53 PM ^

PSU, ND, OSU will all be routs. Can’t see us scoring over 10 points vs MSU so we’ll probably lose that one. Iowa is 50/50 and the rest I could easily see us slipping up at least once. I’ll go 6 or 7 wins.

Bo Harbaugh

September 22nd, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^

They put Harbaugh on meds after 2016 and he went from JMFH to Jim Harbaugh.

The passion is gone, team has followed. 

After an 8-4 season, JH will not be fired, but instead will “resign”.

Hopefully we can pull off a Bob Stoops type hire, or fire the $ cannon at a Lincoln Riley.

vanarbor

September 22nd, 2019 at 3:59 PM ^

I don’t think what you put up is “realistic.” It’s a state of recency bias after 3 horrible games. You have to ask yourself: did UM play horrible the past 3 games or is this just how good we are? The answer should be much closer to the former than the latter. We obviously are still much more talented than what we’ve put out. Therefore, it is fair to assumed there will be some improvement from the last three games over the course of the season. How much? I don’t know, but some for sure.

Rutgers: 95%. Iowa: 65%. Illinois: 90%. Penn State: 40%. Notre Dame: 40%. Maryland: 65%. MSU: 60%. Indiana: 85%. OSU: 35%

If you think this is optimistic, take a look at how much even these projections have changed from the start of the season, where we were favorites to win EVERY game. These are realistic projections IMO, because they don’t overreact to 3 games, and they still take into account that we’re overrated.

Upon calculation, this gives us slightly over 1% chance to win out, which seems accurate. 8-4 is my guess using these projections. We’ll win one that we aren’t supposed to win (ND, PSU, OSU) and we’ll lose one that we’re supposed to win (MSU, Maryland, Iowa)

Harbaughlin

September 22nd, 2019 at 4:02 PM ^

does this change if next week Wisconson beats down NW by 40?

 

I think we played bad but I really think Wisc can beat OSU with what they have shown in 3 games. and camp randle is a hard place to play.

 

People bring up 2016 PSU and although I don't agree in the comparison they came into our house and we led 35-0 only allowing a TD in garbage time with 2 minutes left . before they were competitive and eventually won their final 7 games vs Wisc/OSU/MSU.

 

Next week will be a good guide to what the rest of the season looks like. Come out beat Rutgers by 50 and maybe there is still hope and @Wisc was a fluke like Clemson losing by 30 to Lousiville in the year they Made their first playoffs

Michigan4ever

September 22nd, 2019 at 4:11 PM ^

I believe that the response of the next week will determine a lot about the rest of the season. If we play poorly against Rutgers and play up to their level, we could easily have a 5-7 season. Indiana always gives us fits and I'm counting PSU, ND, MSU, OSU could all easily be losses. Also, Maryland is an iffy game as well. If we struggle against Rutgers, we know how the rest of the season is going to go...

Mongo

September 22nd, 2019 at 4:12 PM ^

Hard to tell.  We may be down to starting a third string QB and third string RB for the foreseeable future.  LT is a complete mess as Runyan is about 70% and Hayes is a next year guy.  Our WRs clearly do not fit the Gattis system.  Need to play the frosh slot bugs and see if that works - Collins and Black just are not fitting the scheme and getting enough targets.  This could really unravel with more injuries. 

vanarbor

September 22nd, 2019 at 11:11 PM ^

Your certainty that McCaffrey is two games better than Patterson is pretty ridiculous. Even in his small sample size, McCaffrey has looked arguably worse than Patterson. He's thrown like 3 near interception in his last 9 passes. 

Especially if you're implying that without McCaffrey, we'd lose to Rutgers, I don't know what to say to you.

Also the fact that Patterson hasn't cost us a win in his time here at Michigan makes the fact that you think he'll cost them Rutgers, or just two other games, pretty ridiculous.

I bet you thought O'Korn would win a few extra games for us if he took over for Speight too. 

shags

September 22nd, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^

I don't think there's going to be an easy game the rest of the way.  I think next week against Rutgers will be close.

This team lacks an identity.  Last year's team had an identity.  Then they get blown out by Ohio State, lose a relatively meaningless bowl game, and Harbaugh hires Josh Gattis, which is looking like one of the 5 worst hires in program history. 

I think the players want to play like they did last year.  The offense wasn't bad last year.  They averaged 36.8 points per game in the regular season.