Rankings Roundup after Conference Champions Week: Special Bowl Edition

Submitted by Blue@LSU on December 4th, 2023 at 8:55 AM

I don’t know about you, but I can’t believe it’s that time of year already. The regular season is over and conference champions have been crowned. Now we just have to bide our time watching fascinating matchups like Western Kentucky vs. Old Dominion in the Famous Toastery Bowl (yeah, I’d never heard of it either). The 68 Ventures Bowl between South Alabama and Eastern Michigan could also be very titillating, especially if they add 1 more venture before the game.  

Anyway, the final CFP rankings are out so let’s take a look, shall we?

RANKINGS COMPARISON: CFP, SP+, FEI

Michigan is officially the consensus #1 team in the country, sitting atop the CFP, SP+ and FEI rankings. It seems pretty noteworthy that every other team in the CFP top 4 is ranked lower in the advanced stats. Washington is #11 to SP+ and #8 to FEI, Texas is ranked #6 in both, and CFP #4 Alabama comes in at #7 (SP+) and #11 (FEI). In their places, the advanced stats have some combination of OSU, Georgia, Oregon, and PSU. 

It’s kind of humorous that SP+ gives Georgia a 5.8 point advantage (29.5-23.7) over Alabama on a neutral field. Unfortunately for the Dawgs they played in Atlanta. SP+ also thinks that ‘Bama and FSU would be a coin toss (23.7-23.7) but the CFP committee took care of that one for us.

Here's another way of looking at this.

Michigan stands alone at the top of SP+ and FEI and its closest peers have all been knocked out of the playoffs. Two were taken down by Michigan itself (OSU and PSU), one was knocked off by Washington, and another fell victim to Nick Saban’s annual deal with the devil. And then there’s poor damn FSU.

BOWL MATCHUPS: SP+ AND FEI

So at this point, the CFP committee has done its job (by jobbing FSU). The semifinals have been set and the NY6 pairings have been determined, so let’s take a look and see what the advanced stats have to say about these matchups. First, SP+

Poor damn Oregon. They already lost to Washington twice this season and now they have to play its twin in the Fiesta Bowl.  

And now for the FEI.

Anything you find interesting? Any matchups you’re particularly interested in? (I’ll try to get a complete set of graphs out for every bowl once the matchups have been determined. I can’t wait to see what bowl MSU gets.).

SP+ AND FEI OFFENSE AND DEFENSE (RAW SCORES)

Standard interpretation applies:

  • Top-right: Good at offense and defense
  • Bottom-right: Good defense, below-average offense
  • Top-left: Good offense, below-average defense
  • Bottom-left: Not so good at football

Recall that these are standardized coefficients, not raw SP+ scores. Each team’s offensive and defensive score represents the number of standard above/below the mean that category. 

I can’t believe we’re missing out on the USC-Iowa matchup, but nevertheless some of the B1G bowl matchups look fascinating according to SP+. Who’s ready for LSU-Wisconsin or Tennessee-Iowa? 

Here’s the graph for the FEI

LSU-Iowa would’ve been fascinating. What did we do to be denied this opportunity?

SP+ RANKINGS BY CONFERENCE (RAW SP+ SCORES)

Box and whiskers again. I like that it clearly shows Michigan as an outlier from the rest of the B1G. 

And here are the ratings from FEI

Thanks for reading.

Go Blue! 

Logan88

December 4th, 2023 at 9:16 AM ^

Three observations:

First, it's interesting to see so many UM fans panicking over playing Bama given the fancy stats. It seems like UM should cruise to a National Championship given the teams in the playoffs. Of course, there is that pesky history of UM sucking ass in bowl games to contend with.

Second, OSU is probably going to murderize Missouri who is extremely mediocre. I think the Tigers best win is over 8-4 Tennessee. The only concern would be will McCord play QB for them? If not, will Brown be healed up and available or will OSU have to go with a 3rd string QB?

Third, Oklahoma has to be pissed at not being selected for the Fiesta Bowl. Is there a requirement that a Group of 5 team has to be invited to one of the New Year's Day games? The matchup between Oklahoma and Oregon would have been compelling. The matchup between Liberty and Oregon...is not.

Logan88

December 4th, 2023 at 9:27 AM ^

Thanks for the confirmation re: G5 requirement.

Honestly, I would expect Oregon to be thrilled at drawing Liberty. This makes the Fiesta Bowl practically an auto-win scenario for them. I doubt anyone at Oregon is going to care that their win came over a crappy Liberty team when they are admiring their Fiesta Bowl trophy in the football complex. Or course, if they should actually lose to Liberty...well, that would be pretty embarassing.

ShadowStorm33

December 4th, 2023 at 1:19 PM ^

Yeah, I came to say the same thing. Don't understand all the "sympathy" for Oregon. They drew (on paper, at least) the easiest matchup of the NY6 games, a team with a worse offense and a much worse defense. Unless they get gutted by opt-outs, they're on track for an easy win. Especially given our bowl history, I'd much rather have that than draw an opponent we have a good chance of losing to...

NittanyFan

December 4th, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^

No - the Peach, Cotton and Fiesta had no Bowl tie-ins that they were beholden to.

Those 6 Bowls had to take OSU, PSU, Oregon, Ole Miss, Missouri and Liberty (in some combination) as those were the top 5 + top G5 in the rankings.  Those HAD to be the teams.  But no team was tied into a specific Bowl.

They would avoid PSU/OSU and Ole Miss/Missouri as match-ups (though that wasn't strictly required).  Which meant that there were 10 possible match-up combinations.  Ohio State vs Oregon, Liberty vs SEC and Penn State vs SEC seemed best to me, but that's not the route they chose. 

(OSU does play Oregon next year, so maybe that was part of it --- but PSU doesn't, so they could have just swapped OSU & PSU, and still had Liberty vs SEC)

989.Wolverine

December 4th, 2023 at 9:17 AM ^

I see the last several days as an unequivocal win for our championship probability added. Alabama and Washington knocked off two massive threats to how Michigan plays. Georgia in particular seemed the biggest threat. We will still have to beat two very good teams in January. We can absolutely do it.

NittanyFan

December 4th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^

Yep - they've won 17 in a row (after Saturday) in Atlanta.  The last time they lost there was the 2008 SEC Championship Game, when Florida had Tebow.  

The 17, for what it's worth.  Not many of these games are push-overs:

  • 2009, regular season vs Virginia Tech
  • 2009, SEC title vs Florida
  • 2012, SEC title vs Georgia
  • 2013, regular season vs Virginia Tech
  • 2014, regular season vs West VIrginia
  • 2014, SEC title vs Missouri
  • 2015, SEC title vs Florida
  • 2016, SEC title vs Florida
  • 2016, CFB Semifinal, Peach Bowl vs Washington
  • 2017, regular season vs Florida State
  • 2017, National Championship vs Georgia
  • 2018, SEC title vs Georgia
  • 2019, regular season vs Duke
  • 2020, SEC title vs Florida
  • 2021, regular season vs Miami FLA
  • 2021, SEC title vs Georgia
  • 2023, SEC title vs Georgia

PopeLando

December 4th, 2023 at 10:17 AM ^

Iowa-Tenn is going to be fascinating even though Iowa-USC would have been must-watch TV.

Joe Milton has been decent this year, but the stats paint too rosy of a picture IMO. "Fuck it and chuck it" is death against Iowa's defense.

Dablue1

December 4th, 2023 at 10:36 AM ^

These fancy stats make me more optimistic…and happy. We appear to be the clear best team according to fancy stats, though obviously that’s not a guarantee of anything. I’d like to know how our fancy stats positioning compares to UGA’s the past 2 years, etc. 

Tex_Ind_Blue

December 4th, 2023 at 12:10 PM ^

If M '23 (or M '24) is close to AL '17, I am concerned. The CFP winner's graph shows that to win with mostly defense (and a relatively lackluster offense) the unit has to be generational. Michigan will need a good to great offensive performance together with their usual defense to pull it off. 

There are lots of nuances as well. Thanks for doing this Blue@LSU. Much appreciated. 

4th phase

December 4th, 2023 at 10:37 AM ^

Michigan is getting very close to the 2022 UGA defense, which had a rating of 6.7. Michigan is at 7.4 right now. Their overall ranking of 32.1 is still lagging Georgia's overall of 37.3

Wolverine In Exile

December 4th, 2023 at 11:01 AM ^

I like Penn St v. Ole Miss from a competition standpoint, and I'm assuming that Dart is going to play for Ole Miss. 

 

I think the Orange and Cotton are going to be hot garbage piles of games with all the opting out by all teams involved. I'm looking at the OSU - Mizzou line and it's changed from OSU -6.5 and now it's OSU -3

BornInAA

December 4th, 2023 at 12:01 PM ^

I would like to see fancy stats vs actual bowl and playoff results from previous years. Last year I bet we had stat advantage over TCU. Unfortunately, Michigan's history is to play like crap in bowl games. I hope Harbaugh is will keep the team focused this year.

Booted Blue in PA

December 4th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^

Driving 6 1/2 hours home from Indy yesterday.... we had our fill of talking heads discussing, disecting and criticizing the CFP picks.

I'll say this, there was 0% chance the SEC was going to be left out, because the ncaa is up the sec's ass.   

It is absolute bullshit that FSU got shafted.   Undefeated Conf. Champ.... nothing more to say.  The committee always uses that phrase "complete body of work"  ok, that's the entire season, not just an injury that happened three weeks ago.   FSU won their next two games, still undefeated.   If you're using the 'complete body of work'  then you have to consider bama needing a miracle to beat a shitty, unranked auburn team, as well as squeaking by unranked arkansas and A&M....  

I truly hope Michigan beats 'bama by a comfortable margin, shutting up the sec clowns.

 

Should GA have been #1?  Was GA the best team, or were they going to be #1 until they lost, because they were defending champs?   If GA was ranked 2 or 3 and bama beats them, does bama move from 8 to 4?   FSU, without their starting QB was still in the top 4, they win two more games and get booted out?  the selection committee, not unlike the B1G, went against their own guidlines to get to their desired outcome, its total bullshit, just like accounting.