AZBlue

February 4th, 2016 at 1:50 PM ^

Will he be reporting to Bush Sr. or a colleague? I hope the staff continues to recognize and promote talent from the HS coaching ranks.

Honorable Mention: Also considered doing a RCMB-like comment about payoffs, cheating, and wondering what 5-star we are hiring him to ensure getting.

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rowtheblue

February 4th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^

Maybe I'm just exposed to Michigan's hirings the most, but it seems Michigan has been very active in getting these high school coaches promoted into the college coaching system. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Does this happen at all colleges, it just often goes unnoticed?

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Mgoblu1988

February 4th, 2016 at 8:52 PM ^

Registered so I could comment here. I played for Raff and with James Moore. Raff was an absolute joke and Perles brought him on staff as volunteer to secure Moore (didn't really need to). JDubbs (what we call Lansing Sexton) had best talent in state for years all wasted by Raff. We went 7-2 in 1984 and lost to state runner up East Lansing on the road by 2 pts in one of best high school games in MI history. Jerry Puma should have been our coach and, if so, we would have won 3 state championships easy. Btw, the year our hoops team was only team to beat Rice's Flint Northwestern team but we lost in regionals to team we had beaten twice in conference. Tons of talent at Sexton back then.

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Wolfman

February 4th, 2016 at 4:42 PM ^

I can recall was Larry Johnson, Sr., father of PSU's AA TB of same name w/difference being Jr., of course. I think Tressell took one of the coaches from Glenville but can't say with certainty. As to the poster who said we should promote MI h.s. coaches. I am guessing Wilcher would be most obvious in terms of exposure to talent and having first hand knowledge of the "typical" background of players in the PSL. However, from a coaching stand point, I think the better high school coaches are located on the west side and those so inclined generally start their upward trajectory in the GLIAC and don't really enjoy the first name basis with Jim and Mark,  as the E. side coached do. Of course, Wilcher, being an alum, would give him a boost but thinking it he had wanted to move to college, would have done so years ago. He has produced some tremendous dbs over the years.

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HonoluluBlue

February 4th, 2016 at 9:37 PM ^

Hugh Freeze was Michael Oher's high school coach and just happened to follow him to Ole Miss. Perry Watson followed Jalen to UM but that was basketball. UNLV recently hired a head coach straight from High School. Baylor's Art Briles was a longtime high school coach and was first hired in college by Texas Tech.

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Wolfman

February 4th, 2016 at 11:13 PM ^

may gain some perspective. Like all good programs, MI is always interested in hiring bright, young, successful coaches. Because recruiting is the lifeblood of all programs, the greater their prestige within a certain agea, the more attractive they become. Ideal candidate would be familiar and on good terms with his counterparts in any given section of the country. And, of course, expertise in teaching the game that would translate to the next level would be a bonus.

It appears your interest is not sincere and you appear to be implying that Michigan hires these high school coaches based on on recruit or so. Nothing could be further from the truth. As I have stated Chris Partridge from the New Jersey high school ranks was just voted Top recruiter of the year at the collegiate level and has received a promotion to a a position coach. It appears his gamble has paid off and made a good decision. OSU, on the other hand, hired former Rutgets coach and former NFL Coach Greg Schiano for a similar position. Now what do you think might be a fair salary for a former NFL head coach, who prior to that time, held the same just you did, only at a much less prestigious school? I am going to select Number 2. It sems obvious.

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BigWeb

February 4th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^

from De La Salle in Concord, Bob Ledeceur? sp? And whoever is coaching Long Beach Poly and Allen High School in Texas and .......love it Harbaugh

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BursleyBaitsBus

February 4th, 2016 at 2:43 PM ^

You mean Coach Alumbaugh? He coaches De La Salle in CA. I'm sure he has many programs outside of Michigan offering him every year considering the powerhouse high school he runs. 

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d_ill

February 4th, 2016 at 9:08 PM ^

Yeah, Coach Lad left in 2013 and HE built that powerhouse you speak of.  Alumbaugh is young, dont see him leaving for at least another 3 years.  But, Im sure Parasmus didnt see Partridge leaving soon either...

 

 

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Jehu the Damaja

February 4th, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^

Allen benefits from being the only HS in a rapidly growing city. That HS has like 6 or 7,000 kids to choose from every year, which benefits them greatly. Whereas other Dallas suburbs like Plano (3 schools) and Frisco (7 schools) have to split up all their talent. Obviously you still have to have some damn good athletes and coaches to win as many games as they have the last few years, but they have that straight up numbers advantage over every school in Texas.

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alum96

February 4th, 2016 at 2:15 PM ^

It's not a huge school in terms of football talent - they had three 3* in 2016 for example.  And we got 2 of them - no 4, 5 *.

2015 they had two 2*, two 3*.  We got one of thr 3* (Washington)  No 4/5.

2014, they had one 2*, one 3*.  No 4/5.

I don't think every move Harbaugh makes is for a certain recruit.  This could be a guy who gives UM intel on the greater area of Bama etc.  Or it may have been difficult to get any school in Bama to host a satellite camp but Prattville went against the grain (and pissed off SEC coaches) so its a way to "give back".  Or Jim may just like this guy's personality with all the time he has spent with their staff the past 1.25 years.  Who knows what goes on behind the scenes but this is not a Partridge situation.  If it was a guy from IMG - different discussion.

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Wolfman

February 4th, 2016 at 4:07 PM ^

 the man just earned a rather prestigious award so even if he was brought in for a specific reason, he's already earned his money and his loyalty lies with Jim as he has stated.  it appears he has already proven to be a premium hire on JH's part. Additionally, he is already recognizing the benefits of upward mobility, whether discussed at time of hire or not.

Although it does not matter to me, as stated above, I have a feeling it's probably his familiarity with that region and part of Jim's master plan, if I am guessing correctly, in establishing ties with "football people" in certain areas of the country and is a product of a  well-thought-out  plan in exposing our brand to fertile recruiting grounds in a relatively inexpensive manner. Actually a win-win. Increased visibility to product is a time-tested, successfully proven method in many areas of business. And you know, as well a I do, those interested in sports are never hesitant to discuss it and point out widely held misperceptions.

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alum96

February 4th, 2016 at 2:01 PM ^

Aren't most HS coaches guys who make $4 to $5K a season - and that is the head coach.  I assume assistants less.  Often he is a teacher in the school itself as well.  I know in other sports you might get $3-4K for a few months so I assume football gets a bit more as a HC.

You could see with the explosion in salaries up and down the food chain in CFB how for those willing to move going into the college ranks is a no brainer.

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Albatross

February 4th, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^

Not sure how GA or the rest of the country works, but I know of no Michigan coach that gets paid anywhere close to that. They make about $4000-$5000 for their coaching duties. If they are also teachers they get the extra monies added to their salaries. And most if not all of the assistant coaches are volunteers.

I have known scores of coaches in Michigan and each and every one has been consistent in saying what they make and it is really pennies. They usually are doing it for the love of the game rather than cause they are making money.

With the constant need for funding, most public schools have some type of pay to play program. So it is unfathomable that a school district can justify paying any coach six figures for what amounts to a few months of work. Most school districts around he county face the same challenges ours do, so I can't see how they can justify a six figure salary when they are turning around and saying they don't have money for text books.

If by their total compensation package you mean their salary as a teacher, then that is not a representation of what a "coach" makes. It is what a teacher makes that is also doing some coaching, which is what most HS coaches do.

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alum96

February 4th, 2016 at 5:55 PM ^

That doesnt make sense to me or pass the sniff test.  It's a part time 3-4 month job; I can't see public schools which are scrapped for cash and often making players pay a fee to even pay sports get away with paying a coach $100K or even $50K.

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BuckNekked

February 4th, 2016 at 6:54 PM ^

Why couldnt boosters pick up the compensation packages for coaches and assistants?  May be laws for public schools but not at private schools. You look at these national powerhouse schools and Id be willing to bet the HC is making more than 4k a year. These schools have to throw resources at football to remain at the top for decades on end.

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