But he left too early - everyone here told me so
Basketball isn’t this board’s strength.
April 16th, 2022 at 11:16 PM ^
I mean, his first year in the NBA, Poole was close to being the worst NBA player by some metrics. Even Golden State fans will tell you he was really bad and it was a very poor pick.
You could still legit argue he wasn't ready for the NBA and the numbers would back you up.
That being said, his improvement the past 1.5 seasons has been nothing short of miraculous.
April 16th, 2022 at 11:34 PM ^
NBA doesn't draft NBA ready prospects. They draft them for potential. Poole has that potential. I mean if we go by the standards of not ready for NBA then a lot of top 5-10 picks weren't ready for the NBA.
He was fortunate GS drafted him. Many teams may not have been so patient and/or required him to step up sooner. Much like Duncan in Miami, sometimes teams draft the right guy for their team.
April 16th, 2022 at 10:05 PM ^
He did. If he ended up on any other team or if GS had less injuries he never would have had the opportunity to play so much so poorly for so long until he got good. 99 times out of 100 he woulda been in the g league for years and never developed as well as quickly before being out of the NBA.
April 16th, 2022 at 10:46 PM ^
Your basketball IQ is 0 out of 99. Jordon Poole left Michigan because he never had a chance to show what he could do with the ball in his hands! He came off of 5 picks just to get an opportunity to shoot! That’s one of the reasons he left because the offense here wouldn’t allow him to blossom into the player he already knew he could be!!!
April 16th, 2022 at 11:07 PM ^
Absolutely. He got very few actions and 2-3 ball screens a game and JB lifted him every time he took a deep three. Love JB, but he didn’t know what he had in poole.
April 16th, 2022 at 11:19 PM ^
What could he have had? An inefficient chucker at the college level leading to more expected losses than expected wins? They had a ton of efficiency metrics all along across players from practices and games. He knew what he had better than you did asking with better play makers for the college game on the roster.
April 17th, 2022 at 11:38 AM ^
I think there is a good amount of revisionism going on with how good Poole was while here at UM, and that somehow Beilein held Poole back. Poole made plenty of boneheaded mistakes in his time at Michigan. He was very inconsistent. Beilein has had a number of guards flourish in his system, so I’m inclined to think Poole was the issue. People also forget how much Poole struggled on defense at times. I remember Matt McQuaid getting wide open looks on Poole several times a game. Poole clearly made the best decision for himself though.
April 17th, 2022 at 12:48 PM ^
So it was his defense that made his offense struggle. Talking about revisions. Give me a break. He could’ve done way better than the guards he had in front of him. Wanna know why? Because one of them is in the G-league doing well! However, one is also playing in the playoffs.
April 17th, 2022 at 11:15 PM ^
There were games here when I wondered if Poole spelled teaim instead of team. Him and Beilein seemed to have some difference of opinion on his play/style.
April 17th, 2022 at 12:46 PM ^
The coach is always right take is an interesting one, and I appreciate people willing to stick with it even when the coach was wrong. Poole should have been empowered to make mistakes and grow at Michigan. That Michigan team was really inefficient at scoring against good teams and got destroyed by Texas Tech. This isn't revision, those who played and coached basketball saw his talent being squandered at Michigan. Steph Curry was Steph Curry at Davidson because he was allowed to take deep threes etc. Is Poole Steph, not at all, but he's proven that he deserved way more reps at Michigan. SMDH at the "basketball analysis" on this site.
"Poole should have been empowered to make mistakes and grow at Michigan."
Only if it means more wins.
The coaches job is to win games, not develop players for the NBA.
JB lifted him every time he took a deep three
Poole played 33 minutes a game his sophomore year, despite being pretty streaky from the perimeter and not very good defensively. Let’s not make this into Dean Smith holding back Michael Jordan.
April 17th, 2022 at 12:26 AM ^
OK, Mr. Poole. I'm glad it worked out for your son but it was a bad bet that got lucky. Literally any other team drafts him, or if curry and clay aren't hurt, he'd still be in the G league or be in Europe right now. He hit the jackpot landing in a good organization that was content to tank for two years while their stars healed and Poole played through being one of the worst players in the league.
Oh boy...and here comes the ignorance. Sure, Jordan had good fortune in landing at GS but it is beyond silly to think for a New York second that GS did not know what they had. Conversely, it can be more effectively and cogently argued that he also had the very bad fortune of coming to Michigan and being stifled and stunted for two years.
The kid could play and was a scintillating talent-from the beginning. Beilein was a great coach and got his teams to play well above their floor. However, here, with Jordan Poole, he screwed the pooch...like very big-time-and this is why Jordan left early...he had to to save himself. Between Beilein's offense and Simpson being allowed to mindlessly dribble out the shot clock-it was the definition of a hopeless situation for him. Being a round peg pounded into a tiny square hole was a very bad look-for everyone. Believe whatever you wish but this is at the top of the list as to why Beilein left Michigan in such an uncharacteristic and shocking fashion-he felt this badly about how he screwed his most talented players.
Life takes crazy turns for all of us. For Jordan and the University of Michigan basketball program the "what ifs" of what may have happened if he and several of his teammates had stuck it out and played for Juwan are sadly something we will never know. Juwan would have catalyzed Jordan's talents.
April 17th, 2022 at 10:35 AM ^
I have zero problem with Poole going pro after his sophomore year, but kinda scratching my head over the above posts. Poole had the 2nd most minutes on Michigan his sophomore year & Simpson was a very low usage player (less than 20% usage). Beilein ran many NBA actions, though Poole was certainly not the go-to guy. It's also hard to ignore the fact that Poole struggled big time his rookie season - perhaps as talented as he was, he just wasn't ready to be the guy on a national title contender.
Huge credit to him for working through his struggles. No doubt he's taken his game to a new level.
Wow... just wow. There is A LOT going on here.
My favorite part is: "this is at the top of the list as to why Beilein left Michigan in such an uncharacteristic and shocking fashion-he felt this badly about how he screwed his most talented players."
WTF are you talking about?
Maybe you need to get back inside the box for a bit.
April 17th, 2022 at 12:48 PM ^
Idiot box.
And I'll argue had he stayed another year at Michigan is numbers would have decreased, he may have been benched, never drafted and in Europe right now.
I love JB but he kind of had an Izzo vibe with Poole. Hold him back and want too much discipline in his game instead of letting him have a little bit of leash. Izzo has ruined players this way. Watch Bingham become a 15, 10 and 2 block guy in thr NBA.
Poole’s complaint wasn’t that we ran him off screens (why would he be mad about that?) but that we stuck him in the corner.
Regardless, I don’t think there was too much merit to it. He didn’t shoot all that well (37% from downtown) and still averaged 13 a game his sophomore year.
April 17th, 2022 at 10:20 AM ^
SETTTTTTTHHH, GIVE ME YOUR HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTEEST TAKES!
Let’s be fair about that and one… he took 3 steps
Which is actually pretty mild by today's NBA standards if we're being honest
April 16th, 2022 at 11:22 PM ^
FIBA and NBA have zero-step gather rule so I don't see the issue on this one.
April 17th, 2022 at 12:43 PM ^
The issue is that the traveling rules are a mockery of the game. It’s cheating plain and simple. I would have loved to play in this era. Using cheater moves to gain an extra advantage. By the rules of basketball since the game started, the euro step, the father step, are simply traveling
lol, it's not making a mockery of the game. Not remotely close to it at all.
April 17th, 2022 at 12:32 AM ^
This ones my favorite
LeBron facing the Jazz again, seems hard to believe LeBron's combo travel/double dribble was "this season" pic.twitter.com/GE7bVAcyzY
— CJ Fogler AKA Perc70 #BlackLivesMatter (@cjzero) August 4, 2020
April 16th, 2022 at 10:12 PM ^
Whatever-seriously. Electric talent.
April 16th, 2022 at 11:22 PM ^
Lost control of the ball by deflection plus it wasn't remotely close to being 3 steps
April 17th, 2022 at 10:01 AM ^
You get a "gathering step" in the NBA, which basically makes all those moves where they shuffle their feet and hop into their stance before launching a 3 legal.
April 17th, 2022 at 10:12 AM ^
More clarity on the NBA/FIBA gathering rule:
https://official.nba.com/new-language-in-nba-rule-book-regarding-traveling-violations/
Basically, for Poole's move, he didn't "gather" the ball until he put 2 hands on the ball, at which point the "normal" traveling rules start. So, it was a legal move.
April 17th, 2022 at 12:46 PM ^
The rules are laughable. It’s hard to even call this basketballl anymore
Have you tried to do what basketball players do today? I'm only in my mid 30s and was all conference first team in high school so I could at least play a little bit... the euro step, the layups off the normal foot and then off the "wrong foot" and the dribble combos the kids do at just the high school level are insane nowadays.actually these moves are done in grade school now. There are a lot better shooters now to at younger ages. Only downside I see know is a lot of "dumb" players but the game is highly skilled now.
April 17th, 2022 at 10:08 PM ^
Euro step is ridiculously easy, so is a layup off the wrong foot, hell most kids have to be taught not to do that. step back shots, with or without the twenty gather steps is what is crazy hard.
Been fun to see him get better and better. Good for him
I was just about to post this.
That was a sick and-1.
Nice to see him succeeding and making all the doubters here eat their words.
I knew he had NBA talent since I first saw his high school tape. He was nicknamed "Baby Steph" in high school for a reason.
Go Blue! Go Poole! Go Bloole!
Poole is the best pro UM has had in bball in a long time. Franz will be very good as well.
Duncan Robinson disagrees.
April 17th, 2022 at 12:05 PM ^
Duncan, unfortunately, has not had a great year, and was benched for a while.
Until tonight. ;)
April 16th, 2022 at 10:06 PM ^
He's been crushing since shortly after the All Star break. He's been their best player.
41.9% on 3s from March through the end of the season.
April 16th, 2022 at 10:07 PM ^
Even with his lackluster sophomore season he should've gone higher in the 2019 draft. A shooter with near-elite athleticism is a cheat code.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/history/?Season=2019
April 16th, 2022 at 10:37 PM ^
That "lackluster" season took place because of many things that were out of his control-and that is why he left...for good reason.
April 16th, 2022 at 10:43 PM ^
Care to elaborate?
April 16th, 2022 at 11:25 PM ^
He was stifled by the offense here.